Survey Poll: Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine

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Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine if it is considered safe and effective?

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 21.7%
  • Never

    Votes: 98 60.9%
  • I will wait a year or more to see what happens with people who take it.

    Votes: 28 17.4%

  • Total voters
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Christians are not called to defend the indefensible. As I have previously posted back in the history of this thread, Gates is anything but the philanthropist he tries to present himself as.

Now let's deal with your little red herring.

1. No one but you has mentioned the word hate. You believe yourself to be a Christian? Then stop with the inflammatory posts directed to misdirect what someone says. If you cannot present your opinion without insulting the intelligence of other members, then take a few communication courses. IMO, it would really help with your self-righteous attitude.

2. No one but you said anything about judgement. Yet, that is exactly what you are doing here and you do this to other members as well. You insult people with your rhetoric and try to engage them in back and forth personal arguments.

The theatrics of your post and the false allegations are symptomatic of an individual who has an intolerance for others and what they might say. This, is most often the function of a person who is afraid of being wrong as they wrongly assume others will judge their character if they make a mistake.

And finally, how do you know I do not know Bill Gates? You don't really know that.

You seem to haunt this thread. You jump immediately and that in itself is worrying. Again, I recommend a couple of courses on communication because no one thinks more highly of you than do you.

You go back on ignore because I am tempted to tell you what I really think about your habitual non -informative, ridiculous posturing and attempts to make others less than yourself due to your inferiority complex with classic narcissism. Simply put, you are afraid to be you so you hide behind that mask.

Bye
You said "Gates has a very bad history and his conscience does not bother him."
To say that his conscience does not bother him is a a judgement concerning his inner thoughts that you have no idea about. Maybe you are not clear about what it means to judge wrongfully. It is when we judge someone's motives. Such as saying that his motives are not because he cares about saving lives with vaccines but has some other immoral motive. That would be a judgment that you have made. Now if it were true so be it. But if it is not true then you will be held accountable for your slander. Therefore we must avoid such judgments and leave it to God.

Now one may say, I judge his actions and that I can know about. And then go about producing a very idiotic conspiracy theory video as proof. However that is not his actions. It is a dumb video made up by a liar. And believing it and passing it on makes one party to the lie and slander.

I have no reason to criticize the man myself. All of the conspiracy theories I have heard about him so far have turned out to be utter nonsense which anyone can fact check. Each time anyone has presented their evidence of a Bill Gates conspiracy theory we have easily exposed it as false within a few seconds of Googleing.

Therefore it is not wise to repeat false accusations and think that one is faultless for doing so. Not a good idea at all. Remember the scripture says God hates false accusers and calls them an abomination.
With scriptures like that I fear God too much to carelessly jump on internet slander band wagons about people I don't know.

Frankly, I believe some of these conspiracy theories about Bill Gates get created by people who are laughing at conspiracy theorists. They release a creative video just to see if it will go viral. They know they made it up but they get a kick out of how many people fall for it.

Christians should be too wise to fall for it. It is a really bad testimony to fall for these lies. When you tell people these crazy conspiracy theories about Bill Gates or his wife and when you post really dumb videos as your proof that Bill Gates or his Wife are evil satan worshippers or other such nonsense videos, most people will stop listening to anything you have to say about the Bible or Jesus. They think that your elevator does not go all the way to the top. That may offend you, but that is what the majority of people will think about you. So they will be nice but they will not respect your opinions. They will think you can't reason correctly. Or that you are not intellectually honest.

No one may say they don't care what people think that they are called to expose the evil shenanigans of Bill Gates, but they really are not. God did not call us to do any such thing. Those who are doing it are caught up in a false mission.
 
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Christians are not called to defend the indefensible. As I have previously posted back in the history of this thread, Gates is anything but the philanthropist he tries to present himself as.

Now let's deal with your little red herring.

1. No one but you has mentioned the word hate. You believe yourself to be a Christian? Then stop with the inflammatory posts directed to misdirect what someone says. If you cannot present your opinion without insulting the intelligence of other members, then take a few communication courses. IMO, it would really help with your self-righteous attitude.

2. No one but you said anything about judgement. Yet, that is exactly what you are doing here and you do this to other members as well. You insult people with your rhetoric and try to engage them in back and forth personal arguments.

The theatrics of your post and the false allegations are symptomatic of an individual who has an intolerance for others and what they might say. This, is most often the function of a person who is afraid of being wrong as they wrongly assume others will judge their character if they make a mistake.

And finally, how do you know I do not know Bill Gates? You don't really know that.

You seem to haunt this thread. You jump immediately and that in itself is worrying. Again, I recommend a couple of courses on communication because no one thinks more highly of you than do you.

You go back on ignore because I am tempted to tell you what I really think about your habitual non -informative, ridiculous posturing and attempts to make others less than yourself due to your inferiority complex with classic narcissism. Simply put, you are afraid to be you so you hide behind that mask.

Bye
I can be stopping all the abortions and other people’s sins and pretend i am whiter than white and self congratulating. I can easily deceive myself.. after all I am working for you God BUT all along my innermost is totally consumed by PRIDE and self-righteousness. This is straight from hell as C S Lewis puts it….. only Jesus sees my innermost being, Lord shine your light in the darkness of my soul. and may the Lamp of the Lord search my innermost being Proverbs 20:27
 
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I work in mental health, so I am one of the people who are able to get it in New York.

I said no, because it's so new. I don't know how I feel about it yet.
 
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I work in mental health, so I am one of the people who are able to get it in New York.

I said no, because it's so new. I don't know how I feel about it yet.
That is understandable.
The science behind mRNA is very interesting and I can see why people would want to wait and see what happens long term.

I am believing the science that I read about on this so I am not seeing any logical reason to be concerned since the only thing that lasts long term is the antibodies that your immune system create and the tcell and bcell response that get triggered to create the antibodies if the spike protein is detected at a later time.

I am not worried about long term affects of my own antibodies. The only thing that makes me "wonder about it" is how our cells read the mRNA genetic code and create a spike protein. That seems so strange to me. I can understand why people are not ready to fully embrace this new method for triggering our immune system to create the antibody.

I plan to take the Moderna vaccine as soon as I can get it. I think that the COVID risk is greater than the vaccine risk which at this time appears to be zero risk.
 

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I work in mental health, so I am one of the people who are able to get it in New York.

I said no, because it's so new. I don't know how I feel about it yet.
Not a person on Earth knows what this awful cocktail of a vaccine will do to you 6 months, a year, 5 yrs down the road.

What we do know is that it is very dangerous to those supposedly in most need of it. The elderly.

Health Experts Call For Suspension Of Pfizer Vaccination Among Elderly After Norway Deaths

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/...r-vaccine-risks-elderly-frail-after-23-deaths
 
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Not a person on Earth knows what this awful cocktail of a vaccine will do to you 6 months, a year, 5 yrs down the road.

What we do know is that it is very dangerous to those supposedly in most need of it. The elderly.

Health Experts Call For Suspension Of Pfizer Vaccination Among Elderly After Norway Deaths

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/...r-vaccine-risks-elderly-frail-after-23-deaths
37 Million have been given the first shot already. 150,000 have received their second shot. People need to be aware of that in order to bring things into proper perspective. A huge percentage of these have agreed to use an app on their phone to report every single little thing they are feeling or encounter on an hourly or daily basis. Keep that in mind and it will help you to identify flagrant attempts at misinformation.

I doubt very seriously that 23 people in Norway were killed by getting the vaccine. The article is super short. It is on Zerohedge, a site known for raising false alarms about the vaccines. And why only in Norway? SUSPECT! I'ma gonna need more information please.
 

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37 Million have been given the first shot already. 150,000 have received their second shot. People need to be aware of that in order to bring things into proper perspective. A huge percentage of these have agreed to use an app on their phone to report every single little thing they are feeling or encounter on an hourly or daily basis. Keep that in mind and it will help you to identify flagrant attempts at misinformation.

I doubt very seriously that 23 people in Norway were killed by getting the vaccine. The article is super short. It is on Zerohedge, a site known for raising false alarms about the vaccines. And why only in Norway? SUSPECT! I'ma gonna need more information please.
Simply incredible that you attack a News site for reporting news, and NOT the garbage msm news sites you rely on for NOT reporting it! Has it dawned on you yet that they are making people like you out to be fools?

https://brandnewtube.com/v/bpE9G5
 

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STILL think it's fake news Mr. Scribe? Maybe you should STOP trusting Google, YouTube, and the MSM!

https://nypost.com/2021/01/15/23-die-in-norway-after-receiving-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine/
So now it's down to 13. And ..."Health officials noted that around 400 people die each week in the nursing home population."
and..."A Pfizer rep said the pharmaceutical giant is “aware of reported deaths” following the administration of the vaccine in Norway and is working with the Norwegian Medicines Agency “to gather all the relevant information.”

I will wait until the investigation is completed. This is no reason to be afraid of the vaccine. 37 million have received it. And you want to focus on this one article from Norway that "might" have contributed to some nursing home patients deaths. Disregard the 37 million and make alarmist statements about the vaccine go ahead. It only makes you look illogical and extremist in your reasoning facilities.

If it was something that happens for all old and frail nursing home people then we would have had more cases than this from the 37 MILLION others. Does the vaccine only harm Norwegian frail nursing home patients? Hmmmm... :unsure: Logic suggests that there is Probably going to be another explanation.
 

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Thank you PennEd, I have many of the adversaries trolls on ignore.
Perry Stone recently had a teaching on these days and the increasing number of those who actively choose to deny the truth Holy Spirit reveals to His own as a way He is allowing they be given over to their own folly and lusts. We know He described how the good will become better, the last will become worse. I believe we are seeing this here and it is increasing to both manifestations.
No one I know who is Holy spirit led will be taking Kill Bill's and Dr. Phony Fauci's CCP poison vaccine.
I am also picking up that it may cause infertility to the current and following generations of girls.
 
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Thank you PennEd, I have many of the adversaries trolls on ignore.
Perry Stone recently had a teaching on these days and the increasing number of those who actively choose to deny the truth Holy Spirit reveals to His own as a way He is allowing they be given over to their own folly and lusts. We know He described how the good will become better, the last will become worse. I believe we are seeing this here and it is increasing to both manifestations.
No one I know who is Holy spirit led will be taking Kill Bill's and Dr. Phony Fauci's CCP poison vaccine.
I am also picking up that it may cause infertility to the current and following generations of girls.
The only scripture I can find in the bible that deals with vaccines would be the command to subdue and take dominion over the beasts. If it applies to tigers it applies to tiny tigers.

I would suggest that it is a sin to accuse brothers and sisters who choose to vaccinate as sinning against the Holy Spirit. Resorting to this sort of argument instead of being able to talk intelligently about the science of vaccines is a sign that one has adopted a religious fanaticism and belligerent radical extremism approach to promote their ideology and this should worry them.

There should be a bit of guilt feeling pass through them when they accuse those who choose to vaccinate as sinning against the Holy Spirit. I am sure it happens but then they must find some excuse to tell themselves that they are not sinning by doing that.

Stick to the science and make your argument based on facts not religious scare tactics upon those who dare have an opposing view. That sort of rhetoric suggest that you yourself might have been bullied into your current views.

No vaccines have caused sterility in women. And there is no credible theory that the mRNA will or can cause sterility in women.
Google "can the mRNA cause sterility in women" You will find some scientific explanations about where the theory was first suggested and how the author was grossly ignorant, or willfully deceptive, or trying to make fun of antivaxxers by spinning out a video or article that he hoped would go viral from the gullible antivaxxers, you never really know the motive of these people.

The theory goes something like this... and you can read it for yourself and correct me if I messed it up:

There is a protein syncytin-1 and syncytin-2 in the mothers placenta.
The mRNA creates a spike protein, this spike protein and syncytic-1 share a minute string of amino acids (the building blocks of proteins)
The misinformation was that that the antibodies that your own immune system will create to attack this spike protein and thus making you immune to the COVID 19 virus would attack the syncytin-1 protein in the placenta. The misinformation was that it was the same protein. But that is a lie.

They took the fact that a minute string of amino acids were the same (and this is common among many proteins that are nevertheless not identical) and tried to spin it into a claim that these proteins were the same and that your new antibodies would attack the synctic-1 protein because it would not know the difference.
It is not true. The proteins are not the same.

And here is where common sense kicks in... If it were true, those that have antibodies from getting over the virus without a vaccine would be having sterility issues, or it would be just as likely that they would be facing sterility problems and no women who have recovered from COVID are reporting any issues with this. The logic that your antibodies produced by your own immune system to attack the covid spike protein should attack the syncytin-1 protein in the placenta because they are the same would apply to someone who got over COVID 19 without a vaccine. Duh?

But these misinformation artists are thinking you are too dumb to fact check them. Don't prove them correct.
 
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Simply incredible that you attack a News site for reporting news, and NOT the garbage msm news sites you rely on for NOT reporting it! Has it dawned on you yet that they are making people like you out to be fools?

https://brandnewtube.com/v/bpE9G5
Zero Hedge is a blog not a news site and a questionable source at best.

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In a quote from the above New Yorker article they summarize the political stance of the blog, which Lokey told Bloomberg is: “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry= dunce. Vladimir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”

Zero Hedge’s content has been classified as “alt-right” and has been criticized for presenting conspiracy theories.

In review, Zero Hedge publishes pro-right wing/Trump articles such as Pat Buchanan: “Trump Calls Off Cold War II.” As well as fake news stories regarding liberals: Anti-Trump Protesters Bused Into Austin, Chicago.

Editorial content is written under the pseudonym Tyler Durden and usually focuses on conspiracies related to economic collapse. Zero Hedge sources to factually mixed think tanks such as The Mises Institute, which promotes Austrian (Anarcho-Capitalism) economics. Finally, during the Coronavirus outbreak of 2020, they have frequently promoted false and misleading information as evidenced by failed fact checks below

Source:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/zero-hedge/

You might want to stick to regular news outlets.
 

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55 Americans Have Died Following COVID Vaccination, Norway Deaths Rise To 29

SATURDAY, JAN 16, 2021 - 12:35
Amid increasing calls for suspension of the use of mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines produced by companies such as Pfizer, especially among elderly people, the situation in Norway has escalated significantly as the Scandi nation has now registered a total of 29 deaths among people over the age of 75 who’ve had their first COVID-19 vaccination shot.

As Bloomberg reports, this adds six to the number of known fatalities in Norway, and also lowers the age group thought to be affected from 80.

Until Friday, Pfizer/BioNTech was the only vaccine available in Norway, and “all deaths are thus linked to this vaccine,” the Norwegian Medicines Agency said in a written response to Bloomberg on Saturday.

“There are 13 deaths that have been assessed, and we are aware of another 16 deaths that are currently being assessed,” the agency said.

All the reported deaths related to “elderly people with serious basic disorders,” it said.

“Most people have experienced the expected side effects of the vaccine, such as nausea and vomiting, fever, local reactions at the injection site, and worsening of their underlying condition.”

Norway’s experience has prompted the country to suggest that Covid-19 vaccines may be too risky for the very old and terminally ill... the exact group that 'the science' shows are actually at risk from this virus.

Pfizer and BioNTech are working with the Norwegian regulator to investigate the deaths in Norway, Pfizer said in an e-mailed statement. The agency found that “the number of incidents so far is not alarming, and in line with expectations,” Pfizer said.

However, it's not just Norway as The Epoch Times' Zachary Stieber reports that fifty-five people in the United States have died after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine, according to reports submitted to a federal system.

Deaths have occurred among people receiving both the Moderna and the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines, according to the reports.

In some cases, patients died within days of receiving a COVID-19 vaccine.

One man, a 66-year-old senior home resident in Colorado, was sleepy and stayed in bed a day after getting Moderna’s vaccine. Early the next morning, on Christmas Day, the resident “was observed in bed lying still, pale, eyes half open and foam coming from mouth and unresponsive,” the VAERS report states. “He was not breathing and with no pulse.”

In another case, a 93-year-old South Dakota man was injected with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Jan. 4 around 11 a.m. About two hours later, he said he was tired and couldn’t continue with the physical therapy he was doing any longer. He was taken back to his room, where he said his legs felt heavy. Soon after, he stopped breathing. A nurse declared a do-not-resuscitate order.

In addition to the deaths, people have reported 96 life-threatening events following COVID-19 vaccinations, as well as 24 permanent disabilities, 225 hospitalizations, and 1,388 emergency room visits.

It's not just the old and frail, in Israel, which proudly lays claim to the greatest vaccination effort in the world (largest percentage of the population inoculated),

As RT reports, at least 13 Israelis have experienced facial paralysis after being administered the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine, a month after the US Food and Drug Administration reported similar issues but said they weren’t linked to the jab.

Israeli outlet Ynet reported, citing the Health Ministry, that officials believe the number of such cases could be higher.

“For at least 28 hours I walked around with it [facial paralysis],” one person who had the side effect told Ynet.

“I can't say it was completely gone afterwards, but other than that I had no other pains, except a minor pain where the injection was, but there was nothing beyond that.”

Ynet quoted Prof. Galia Rahav, director of the Infectious Diseases Unit at Sheba Medical Center, who said she did not feel “comfortable” with administering the second dose to someone who had received the first jab and subsequently suffered from paralysis.

“No one knows if this is connected to the vaccine or not. That's why I would refrain from giving a second dose to someone who suffered from paralysis after the first dose,” she told the outlet.

Finally, as we noted yesterday following the news of rising post-vaccination deaths in Noway, health experts from Wuhan, China, called on Norway and other countries to suspend the use of mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines produced by companies such as Pfizer, especially among elderly people.

China's Global Times reports Chinese experts said the death incident should be assessed cautiously to understand whether the death was caused by vaccines or other preexisting conditions of these individuals.

Yang Zhanqiu, a virologist from Wuhan University, told the Global Times on Friday that the death incident, if proven to be caused by the vaccines, showed that the effect of the Pfizer vaccine and other mRNA vaccines is not as good as expected, as the main purpose of mRNA vaccines is to heal patients.

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A Beijing-based immunologist, who requested anonymity, told the Global Times on Friday that the world should suspend the use of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccine represented by Pfizer, as this new technology has not proven safety in large-scale use or in preventing any infectious diseases.

Older people, especially those over 80, should not be recommended to receive any COVID-19 vaccine, he said.

All of which is a problem since it is the elderly who are at most risk (quite frankly at any real risk at all) and thus who need the protection the most.

The Chinese health experts instead say that the most elderly and frail should be recommended to take medicines to improve their immune system.

Of course, one cannot help but note the irony of scientists from the source of the plague that has killed millions around the world and destroyed lives/economies almost everywhere, is now calling for the cessation of the process to protect against the plague.
 
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55 Americans Have Died Following COVID Vaccination, Norway Deaths Rise To 29

SATURDAY, JAN 16, 2021 - 12:35
Amid increasing calls for suspension of the use of mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines produced by companies such as Pfizer, especially among elderly people, the situation in Norway has escalated significantly as the Scandi nation has now registered a total of 29 deaths among people over the age of 75 who’ve had their first COVID-19 vaccination shot.

As Bloomberg reports, this adds six to the number of known fatalities in Norway, and also lowers the age group thought to be affected from 80.

Until Friday, Pfizer/BioNTech was the only vaccine available in Norway, and “all deaths are thus linked to this vaccine,” the Norwegian Medicines Agency said in a written response to Bloomberg on Saturday.

“There are 13 deaths that have been assessed, and we are aware of another 16 deaths that are currently being assessed,” the agency said.

All the reported deaths related to “elderly people with serious basic disorders,” it said.

“Most people have experienced the expected side effects of the vaccine, such as nausea and vomiting, fever, local reactions at the injection site, and worsening of their underlying condition.”

Norway’s experience has prompted the country to suggest that Covid-19 vaccines may be too risky for the very old and terminally ill... the exact group that 'the science' shows are actually at risk from this virus.

Pfizer and BioNTech are working with the Norwegian regulator to investigate the deaths in Norway, Pfizer said in an e-mailed statement. The agency found that “the number of incidents so far is not alarming, and in line with expectations,” Pfizer said.

However, it's not just Norway as The Epoch Times' Zachary Stieber reports that fifty-five people in the United States have died after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine, according to reports submitted to a federal system.

Deaths have occurred among people receiving both the Moderna and the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines, according to the reports.

In some cases, patients died within days of receiving a COVID-19 vaccine.

One man, a 66-year-old senior home resident in Colorado, was sleepy and stayed in bed a day after getting Moderna’s vaccine. Early the next morning, on Christmas Day, the resident “was observed in bed lying still, pale, eyes half open and foam coming from mouth and unresponsive,” the VAERS report states. “He was not breathing and with no pulse.”

In another case, a 93-year-old South Dakota man was injected with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Jan. 4 around 11 a.m. About two hours later, he said he was tired and couldn’t continue with the physical therapy he was doing any longer. He was taken back to his room, where he said his legs felt heavy. Soon after, he stopped breathing. A nurse declared a do-not-resuscitate order.

In addition to the deaths, people have reported 96 life-threatening events following COVID-19 vaccinations, as well as 24 permanent disabilities, 225 hospitalizations, and 1,388 emergency room visits.

It's not just the old and frail, in Israel, which proudly lays claim to the greatest vaccination effort in the world (largest percentage of the population inoculated),

As RT reports, at least 13 Israelis have experienced facial paralysis after being administered the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine, a month after the US Food and Drug Administration reported similar issues but said they weren’t linked to the jab.

Israeli outlet Ynet reported, citing the Health Ministry, that officials believe the number of such cases could be higher.

“For at least 28 hours I walked around with it [facial paralysis],” one person who had the side effect told Ynet.

“I can't say it was completely gone afterwards, but other than that I had no other pains, except a minor pain where the injection was, but there was nothing beyond that.”

Ynet quoted Prof. Galia Rahav, director of the Infectious Diseases Unit at Sheba Medical Center, who said she did not feel “comfortable” with administering the second dose to someone who had received the first jab and subsequently suffered from paralysis.

“No one knows if this is connected to the vaccine or not. That's why I would refrain from giving a second dose to someone who suffered from paralysis after the first dose,” she told the outlet.

Finally, as we noted yesterday following the news of rising post-vaccination deaths in Noway, health experts from Wuhan, China, called on Norway and other countries to suspend the use of mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines produced by companies such as Pfizer, especially among elderly people.

China's Global Times reports Chinese experts said the death incident should be assessed cautiously to understand whether the death was caused by vaccines or other preexisting conditions of these individuals.

Yang Zhanqiu, a virologist from Wuhan University, told the Global Times on Friday that the death incident, if proven to be caused by the vaccines, showed that the effect of the Pfizer vaccine and other mRNA vaccines is not as good as expected, as the main purpose of mRNA vaccines is to heal patients.

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A Beijing-based immunologist, who requested anonymity, told the Global Times on Friday that the world should suspend the use of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccine represented by Pfizer, as this new technology has not proven safety in large-scale use or in preventing any infectious diseases.

Older people, especially those over 80, should not be recommended to receive any COVID-19 vaccine, he said.

All of which is a problem since it is the elderly who are at most risk (quite frankly at any real risk at all) and thus who need the protection the most.

The Chinese health experts instead say that the most elderly and frail should be recommended to take medicines to improve their immune system.

Of course, one cannot help but note the irony of scientists from the source of the plague that has killed millions around the world and destroyed lives/economies almost everywhere, is now calling for the cessation of the process to protect against the plague.
37 million people and only 50 have died since getting the vaccine. Not FROM the vaccine. I would think that more than 100 have died since getting the vaccine. Some from car wrecks some from heart attacks, some from choking on grapes.

People are dumb.
 

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37 million people and only 50 have died since getting the vaccine. Not FROM the vaccine. I would think that more than 100 have died since getting the vaccine. Some from car wrecks some from heart attacks, some from choking on grapes.

People are dumb.
So first the report was fake news. Then when it's proven it's not fake news, the goal posts move yet again to claim it's not that many people dying to be concerned about.

This, after accepting the fake Worldmeter numbers, where a giant proportion of those mortality numbers are from the incredibly frail, incredibly old, those with horrible pre-conditions, or just plain listed as a Covid death REGARDLESS what they really died of, just because they were virus positive.

You truly want your cake and eat it too!

Guess these people don't matter much in the grand scheme of rolling out the poison.


13 Israelis suffer FACIAL PARALYSIS after taking Pfizer Covid jab, amid influx of reports detailing adverse effects
16 Jan, 2021 14:52
https://www.rt.com/news/512736-israel-facial-paralysis-13-covid-vaccine/
 

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Yes PennEd, many will be blown too and fro like the foam of the sea, having no root in the Solid Rock.
 
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So first the report was fake news. Then when it's proven it's not fake news, the goal posts move yet again to claim it's not that many people dying to be concerned about.

This, after accepting the fake Worldmeter numbers, where a giant proportion of those mortality numbers are from the incredibly frail, incredibly old, those with horrible pre-conditions, or just plain listed as a Covid death REGARDLESS what they really died of, just because they were virus positive.

You truly want your cake and eat it too!

Guess these people don't matter much in the grand scheme of rolling out the poison.


13 Israelis suffer FACIAL PARALYSIS after taking Pfizer Covid jab, amid influx of reports detailing adverse effects
16 Jan, 2021 14:52
https://www.rt.com/news/512736-israel-facial-paralysis-13-covid-vaccine/
I never said I believed that that the 23 or the 13 Norwegians were killed by the vaccine. I was pointing out how illogical it was to think that 55 people who have died after getting the vaccine died from the vaccine.

I said weeks ago that as the numbers of vaccinated go up there will be people who die after getting a vaccine. They might die from a heart attack or brain stroke, but not because they got a vaccine. We know that out of 37 million people many are going to die over the next few days. As the numbers go up to hundreds of millions and billions people will be dying every second just like they are now out of a number of millions and billions who have not had the vaccine.

Saying 55 people have died from the 37 million who have received the vaccine but then not explaining how they died is misleading.

NO ONE HAD DIED FROM A COVID 19 VACCINE as of yet and I don't expect any too. I will wait on the Norwegian investigation. Not likely to turn out to be the vaccine or it would be happening in other nursing homes.

No goal posts have been moved.

20 percent of the Israelis population has already been vaccinated. 13 people reported temporary facial paralysis, but this is a very low number compared to the another 20 percent of people in the population who experience temporary facial paralysis who have not received the vaccine. This issue has been examined and reexamined ever since it showed up in the safety trials and it gets a lot of attention but seems to be nothing to worry about as all of them have cleared up as do most cases in the general populate world wide. It happens to people who are not vaccinated at a higher rate per capita or specifically per 40,000 which was the most analyzed set of numbers during the safety trials. Therefore even though every case of bells palsy from a vaccinated person will receive attention, there has not been enough attention given to the number of unvaccinated people experiencing bells palsy world wide at the same time.

And if you remember that 37 million have received the vaccine so far and people have reported bells palsy then it is not likely that the vaccine was the cause or it would show up much more. Sorry to rain on your parade of trying to discredit the safety of the COVID19 vaccine by being a voice of reason but that is what I do. :)
 

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So first the report was fake news. Then when it's proven it's not fake news, the goal posts move yet again to claim it's not that many people dying to be concerned about.

This, after accepting the fake Worldmeter numbers, where a giant proportion of those mortality numbers are from the incredibly frail, incredibly old, those with horrible pre-conditions, or just plain listed as a Covid death REGARDLESS what they really died of, just because they were virus positive.

You truly want your cake and eat it too!

Guess these people don't matter much in the grand scheme of rolling out the poison.


13 Israelis suffer FACIAL PARALYSIS after taking Pfizer Covid jab, amid influx of reports detailing adverse effects
16 Jan, 2021 14:52
https://www.rt.com/news/512736-israel-facial-paralysis-13-covid-vaccine/

a few days ago, i told mr scribe that one of my good friend's sister had to spend 4 days in a hospital due to an adverse reaction to the covid vax.

he did not ask me what happened , what the symptoms were, how they were treated, nothing.

just blew it off as a fluke and carried on pushing the vax.

so, that mindset does not WANT to know, just believe in the vax no matter what.