Was Jesus the first man?
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imagine that a boy was never given a name until his 10th birthday
on his 10th birthday he was given the name John
it would still be meaningful to talk about what John did when he was five years old
in the same way, the Word was given the name Jesus when he became flesh but it is still meaningful to talk about what Jesus did before he was made flesh
on his 10th birthday he was given the name John
it would still be meaningful to talk about what John did when he was five years old
in the same way, the Word was given the name Jesus when he became flesh but it is still meaningful to talk about what Jesus did before he was made flesh
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Hi Vicky,
I was just following up from my previous post. Which of these two scenarios best fits your doctrine of God/Jesus?
Scenario A:
The pre-incarnate Jesus alone created the heavens and the earth, and in the incarnation took on the role of "the Son."
Scenario B:
The pre-incarnate Jesus existed eternally alongside of, and whose work in creation is coextensive with, the Father. At a later point in the incarnation, the pre-incarnate Jesus assumed the role of "the Son."
Once this is addressed, more thoughts and questions will follow!
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Great question.
Neither. Both are loaded questions as they presuppose a 'pre incarnate' Jesus. I don't understand how Jesus can have a pre incarnate (pre human) self as Jesus is fully human and fully divine.
However, I can't deny the eternality of Jesus, as that would be heresy, and result in my being banned.
Neither. Both are loaded questions as they presuppose a 'pre incarnate' Jesus. I don't understand how Jesus can have a pre incarnate (pre human) self as Jesus is fully human and fully divine.
However, I can't deny the eternality of Jesus, as that would be heresy, and result in my being banned.
So then let's rephrase this. Prior to assuming human form, He...
Scenario A:
Alone created the heavens and the earth, and in the incarnation took on the role of "the Son."
Scenario B:
Existed eternally alongside of, and whose work in creation is coextensive with, the Father. And at a later point in the incarnation assumed the role of "the Son."
Does that make it easier?
Scenario A:
Alone created the heavens and the earth, and in the incarnation took on the role of "the Son."
Scenario B:
Existed eternally alongside of, and whose work in creation is coextensive with, the Father. And at a later point in the incarnation assumed the role of "the Son."
Does that make it easier?
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Jesus, being divine, came to earth, born in a human body, to relate to His creation.
He is God, and represents God in human form.
So, He is both, but the humanity of Him, is also separate to the spirit.
Hence the crucifixion.
Does that make sense ?
It's like us as people, we are souls in an earthly body, but we are not divine like Him.
He is God, and represents God in human form.
So, He is both, but the humanity of Him, is also separate to the spirit.
Hence the crucifixion.
Does that make sense ?
It's like us as people, we are souls in an earthly body, but we are not divine like Him.
The boy is as indifferent in matter when he came into the name as he was before doing so.
The word is not human. Jesus is human. If one considers that the Word is the analogical 'bacon' and Jesus the 'two pieces of bread' it is placed between, one can understand that whilst Jesus may be the analogical bacon sandwich the Word cannot be correctly described as such.
I don't understand why these semantics are not transcended by referring only to GOD, but I'm guessing I've committed a heresy by suggesting that.
The word is not human. Jesus is human. If one considers that the Word is the analogical 'bacon' and Jesus the 'two pieces of bread' it is placed between, one can understand that whilst Jesus may be the analogical bacon sandwich the Word cannot be correctly described as such.
I don't understand why these semantics are not transcended by referring only to GOD, but I'm guessing I've committed a heresy by suggesting that.