Did mind–body dualism exist before original sin?

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Lanolin

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Curious how Jesus got into a locked room.

John 20:19

On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”

via Tim Cheong
He had the key duh
 

posthuman

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Who's incoherent?
Lol

Substance dualism is the truth. It's how God created not only us but all things. If you want to talk to atheistic materialists using physics you should be explaining first to them that they are more than their physical bodies, that their own scientific knowledge reveals that, IMO. Not trying to tell them that physical reality is evil and the result of sin, firstly because that's not true and secondly because it isn't productive to the furthering of the gospel.
 
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I'm saying you don't get buried with a key. Of course Jesus is risen. You people are ridiculous.
 

Magenta

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I'm saying you don't get buried with a key. Of course Jesus is risen. You people are ridiculous.


Jesus had the keys all along ;)Revelation 1:18

And, He did not corrupt in the grave, while His body remained physical.

Blows your pet theory out the window.
 
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I've never claimed Jesus had sin in his heart. You have to be physical to interact with this fallen reality. Make sure you don't question what it means for Jesus to be able to walk through walls. Or to use Light Waves to cause the Shroud of Turin.

The risen Jesus can obviously swap between physical and waves.
 

Magenta

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You have to be physical to interact with this fallen reality.
God has always been able to interact with this fallen reality.

This has already been pointed out to you.

Is He physical in your view?

You must think so, or you blow your own theory out of the water.

And in thinking God is physical, or has to be to interact with our fallen reality, you contradict Scripture.

See how easy it is to prove you are wrong?

But you have brainwashed yourself into believing lies.
 

Magenta

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God is the creator of everything ..but you keep forgetting that he didn't want us here.
Forgetting? Please show me the Scripture verse I am 'forgetting."

Meanwhile, don't forget that Jesus was purposed from before the foundation of the world.

God knew which choice Adam and Eve were gong to make. Before He created them.

According to you, though, it would seem He did so against His very own will.
 
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Maybe you overlooked the part where he told us not to eat the fruit of the tree that causes physicality.

Yes, the Son was around before being a Man ..what is your point? You are refusing to consider the universe without physicality.
 

Magenta

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Maybe you overlooked the part where he told us not to eat the fruit of the tree that causes physicality.

Yes, the Son was around before being a Man ..what is your point? You are refusing to consider the universe without physicality.
God said no such thing. Adam and Eve were created physically, of the elements of the physical earth. You are making stuff up.
 
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Weird how people in near death experiences can have a body in heaven while their physical body is back on earth.
 

Magenta

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Weird how people in near death experiences can have a body in heaven while their physical body is back on earth.
According to what you said earlier, a person in the spirit does not have physicality, as if
their body is somehow magically non-existent while they are having a spiritual experience.
 
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I'm saying if you want an unbeliever to see the light, just ask them to question why wave-particle duality is a thing.
 

Magenta

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The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot
see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, Who is the image of God.
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