Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

The vast majority of Christians wrongly exegete Luke 21. This failure gives birth to some of the greatest errors of end time eschatology.

I disagree, and here's why.

The "2W's 1260 days" STRADDLE the two halves.


The "2W" ascend up in to heaven at the "6th Trumpet [events] / 2nd Woe" (the END of their "1260 days" of testimony), at a time-slot distinct from all others.



I do not believe it is the case that the Holy Spirit is entirely absent from the earth during the trib yrs (or even just the SECOND HALF); it's that His "RESTRAINING ROLE" is removed/lifted (and that is at the START of the 7-trib yrs [2Th2:8a,9a], not at its MID-point [2Th2:4], as many suppose. )

I specifically used Luke because he [outlines] it "all (70 A.D. and Great Tribulation + Second Coming) in a few short number of Verses. Luke is [direct] to the gist of what is happening here.
1) 70 A.D.
2) Great Tribulation
3) Second Coming

He includes everything we need to know here. And what he does prove, no removal of Believers from 70 A.D. to Second Coming.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

"The MID-point (of the 7-trib-yrs) is at the "5th Trumpet / 1st Woe unto the earth" (not at the "7th Trumpet/3rd Woe," as some suppose)."

I'm trying to find distinctives that would tell me this is the 42 month mid-point. I am having a tough time. Please let me know what your thoughts are.

Once again another reference to the five foolish, I assume. Do you believe that those foolish was or even had another chance to be saved seeing it was the end? In my opinion, they were lost. They weren't saved. They didn't have any oil in their vessels. Didn't have any chance at repentance that I can see in the scripture because it was too late. The door had been shut unto them and he said he didn't even know them.

To me, the moral of the parable is to be prepared and ready because when the Lord comes back it is going to be for judgement. When he comes back and takes his children home and shuts the door it is the end.

I really am asking because I have never considered there was any hope for the five foolish? Just like the man with the talent in the next parable he wasted it and when he was judged, that was it. He never really trusted in the Lord and wasn't saved. He was judged because it was the end. He had no other chances then.

1. Do you believe the great tribulation took place in 70AD Jerusalem Seige by the Romans

2. Do you believe in a future second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens?

I specifically used Luke because he [outlines] it "all (70 A.D. and Great Tribulation + Second Coming) in a few short number of Verses. Luke is [direct] to the gist of what is happening here.
1) 70 A.D.
2) Great Tribulation
3) Second Coming

He includes everything we need to know here. And what he does prove, no removal of Believers from 70 A.D. to Second Coming.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

There will be no pre-trib rapture, a false teaching of John N. Darby and promoted by Adulterer C.I. Scofield in his 1909 reference bible

The church will be present on earth as the (Two Witnesses) bring plagues of judgement upon the antichrist and unsaved world, a Remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, the (Sealed) Church is divinely protected on earth

My Lord Jesus Christ returns immediately after the great tribulation

1. Resurrection of all
2. Catching up of the living in Christ
3. Final fire in Judgement, dissolving the heavens and earth by fire, as the New Heavens, Earth, Jerusalem are revealed in (The Twinkling Of And Eye) for the righteous saved,

4. The unsaved wicked are caught in the lake of Gods fire in judgement

There will be no Millennium on Earth after Jesus Christ returns, its fire time

The Church per se is not referred to in any way in Luke 21 (or Matthew 24 or Mark 13). So of course there is nothing said about the miraculous supernatural removal of believers.

Historically the Christians DID heed the Luke 21 70AD warning and fled Jerusalem. But this has nothing to do with the Rapture of course.

LOL NO!
I am not a member of the preterism ideology.

70 A.D. had to happen.
The spreading of the Jews and destroying the Temple ended the Old Covenant and [birthed] the New Covenant (the Gospel of Christ)(era of the Gentiles).
We see where this takes place in the first couple verses I pasted from Luke.

Then it goes directly to the [End of the Gentile](which is the fulfillment of the Second Covenant) and we go into Great Tribulation.

And then we clearly see in the final Verses the Second Coming of Christ.


Nowhere do we see where people are removed that should be so noticeable to be "mentioned."

I understand the [Church] is not mentioned.

But Luke mentions 70 A.D., Great Tribulation, Second Coming.
Something like a [Rapture] would be BIGGER than and as [noticeable on the grand scheme of things] as at least 2 Events mentioned here. So, if it were a fact to happen pre/mid, that would be listed right here.

You say 70 A.D. is what ended the Old Covenant? That is absolutely incorrect. Find out when the New Covenant was first announced. Then find out when it was executed. Then find out Who activated it and enabled it and precisely when.

Absolutely incorrect read Ephesians ch 3. Those three accounts relate to Daniel ch 9. Which only relate to Israel. Absolutely positively no reference to the Church there. None zero nada. Not the slightest hint.

We know from the Ascension of Christ the Jews tried to quiet and shut down the Apostles. The Jews were trying to stop the new way of thinking and wanted the Apostles to shut up. Ultimately, 70 A.D. ended that opposition. That is why JESUS through Luke is saying the Gentiles begin. It was the Gospel to the Gentiles and entire world that ultimately exploded onto every scene from there on.

It's my belief the Law in ordinances etc was abolished at the Death, Burial, Resurrection of Jesus Christ, the New Testament in his Blood

Agree.......there is a lot of reason to believe that denying and delaying is fatal. It may well be that tribulation saints are new converts who have never had the gospel presented to them in any meaningful way.

2 Thess 2:9-11
The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,

and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,

Amen!

Christ did the work.
But ultimately, when we put the puzzle together in how God made it happen from Spiritually to physically, we see the stronghold the LAW had as long as the TEMPLE existed. By saying, [70 A.D.] I am saying the Temple being destroyed also destroyed the physical impact the LAW had on the Jews. If No Temple, where is God at now, to the Jew? God was welcoming in the rest of world with His New Covenant.

I like the Words of Christ on this matter over Paul's. Paul is correct, but Paul's Rapture has always been about the Second Coming. Christ would never be [double minded].

We know from the Ascension of Christ the Jews tried to quiet and shut down the Apostles. The Jews were trying to stop the new way of thinking and wanted the Apostles to shut up. Ultimately, 70 A.D. ended that opposition. That is why JESUS through Luke is saying the Gentiles begin. It was the Gospel to the Gentiles and entire world that ultimately exploded onto every scene from there on.

Christ is NOT speaking in any way whatsoever to the Rapture in Matthew 24 Luke 21 or Mark 13.
The Rapture precedes the Second Coming. In fact the removal of the Church to a place of rest of comfort of protection in the Father's house prepared for them by their Redeemer and Husband the Lord Jesus Christ is THE precursory event which ALLOWS for the 70th week of Daniel & the Second Coming to occur. It is only AFTER the Rapture of the restraining Hand of the Holy Spirit is removed, allowing for the advent of the antichrist.

My friend all of this is clear-cut and undeniable. I really don't understand what the debate is all about. A few more years of studing will yield the truth to you. As of now you are all mixed up. Which is obvious because you keep using Matthew 24 Luke 21 as a reference to the Rapture.
Which error is extremely common in the Church today. Blame the pastors they are a mess in this day and age. I was forced to leave the last Church I attended because the pastor was hopeless and clueless about eschatology. He had absolutely no idea what he was talking about and he was a closet amillennialist. He just would not admit it publicly. Which made him a deceiver....another reason to leave.