The Millennium: An Earthly rule by Christ and his saints

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[re: rapture]

When referring to "____ ARRIVES like a thief *in the night*, Paul is speaking of an earthly-located TIME-PERIOD which will ARRIVE [certain point in time and manner] to unfold upon the earth (consisting of "[a period of time of] Judgments followed by [a period of time of] Blessings,"--"the Day of the Lord," not merely "a singular 24-hr day")...




[Peter also speaks of this (though there is some question as to whether or not the phrase "in the night" is in Peter's text), but understand that it is a DURATION of much time "IN WHICH" a great many things transpire... all "earthly-located"]



When the text is speaking of Jesus HIMSELF (His PERSONAL "Return" to the earth), it states "[Behold, I come] AS A THIEF. [period; NO "IN THE NIGHT" phrase is added when referring to HIS PERSON / HIS RETURN to the earth (Rev19 / Armageddon time-slot, in the chronology)]




So... Paul is making a point concerning the "ARRIVAL" of a particular, future, limited TIME PERIOD, and its RELATION [time-wise] TO the event we call "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]"
What button do I push for "English"?
 

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What button do I push for "English"?
--"the Day of the Lord so ARRIVES like a thief IN THE NIGHT" (not Jesus Himself, but the earthly-located TIME-PERIOD of JUDGMENTS unfolding, etc... commencing at SEAL #1 / the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR; 1Th5:2-3]" that both Paul and Jesus spoke of)

--"Behold, I come AS A THIEF. [period]" (Jesus Himself, at the point in time of His "RETURN" to the earth, Rev19)





[these are distinct items occurring at distinct points in the overall chronology, rather than speaking of the same point--and neither refer to "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" point (...though Paul DOES cover "WHEN that will happen" IN RELATION TO the earthly DOTL time-period)]
 
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If there is a millennial kingdom it'll be at some point after the return of Christ which is also known as the Day of the Lord. Everything gets destroyed and all things are made new again where only righteousness dwells.

(Bold and underline done by me)
2 Peter 3:10-13
10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

In Matthew 24:3 it is evident that Jesus' disciples were privy to the end of the world occuring at the return of Christ as evidenced by their words:

Matt. 24:3
3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

And Jesus the spent the rest of the chapter giving what is known as the Olivet Discourse. Conclusively, Jesus returns after what can only be described as the prophesied great tribulation.

At or shortly after the return of Christ is the rapture, end of the world, great white throne judgment, new heaven and earth, millennial kingdom. Most likely in this order.
 

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^ Paul, in 1Th5:2-3, uses the exact word Jesus used when He [/Jesus] spoke of "the beginning of birth PANGS [PLURAL]" (these are parallel the SEALS at the START of the trib yrs, which Rev1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1 says "must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]"--not over the course of some 2000 yrs, nor immediately / soon [adverbs]);

...but Paul uses the word in the SINGULAR because he is speaking directly of its ARRIVAL point in time, in his sentence (rather than the entire spans of time Jesus was speaking of when describing them... so Paul was talking about the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR; 1Th5:2-3]"... the first one Jesus had spoken of [Matt24:4/Mk13:5 G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE' ('a certain one' bringing deception)]... where MANY MORE will FOLLOW ON from that INITIAL one...)


No "signs" precede its ARRIVAL (to play out upon the earth over the course of SOME TIME [--the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period])
 
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If there is a millennial kingdom it'll be at some point after the return of Christ which is also known as the Day of the Lord. Everything gets destroyed and all things are made new again where only righteousness dwells.

(Bold and underline done by me)
2 Peter 3:10-13
10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

In Matthew 24:3 it is evident that Jesus' disciples were privy to the end of the world occuring at the return of Christ as evidenced by their words:

Matt. 24:3
3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

And Jesus the spent the rest of the chapter giving what is known as the Olivet Discourse. Conclusively, Jesus returns after what can only be described as the prophesied great tribulation.

At or shortly after the return of Christ is the rapture, end of the world, great white throne judgment, new heaven and earth, millennial kingdom. Most likely in this order.
I maintain that there's no Millennial Earthly rule due to the fact that the Earth is going to look like a bazillion nukes went off when Jesus comes as a thief in the night (2 Peter 3:10 KJV) to rapture the saints at His Second Coming -- exactly as Paul describes the whole thihng in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 KJV: that at the glorious Second Coming of Jesus is when the rapture of the dead and living saints happens, while the wicked rush to the rocks and mountains for cover as the heavens depart as a scroll and the elements melt with fervent heat and the entire Earth is shaken and crumbles to its foundations.

Then the prophecies of Jeremiah, Isaiah, John, and others of a desolate, destroyed, eerily silent, dark, empty, Earth devoid of life and littered with the bodies of the wicked all over the place when they dropped dead at the brightness of His coming, will be fulfilled (which Jesuit Futurism NOWHERE gives account for in their various scenarios).

This means the Millennial reign with Jesus cannot possibly be down here, but up there. This reign is bookended by the two resurrections beginning with the Resurrection of the Just at the Second Coming as the dead saints arise from their graves (while the wicked are dropping dead all over the planet) and the Resurrection of the Damnation which is when the "rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" and are raised to Judgment.
 

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I maintain that there's no Millennial Earthly rule due to the fact that the Earth is going to look like a bazillion nukes went off when Jesus comes as a thief in the night (2 Peter 3:10 KJV) to [...]
I've mentioned in another thread, that, when reading Peter's 2Pet3:10-12 passage, one should read BOTH CHPTS of Isaiah 34-35 (and not just Isa34:4 extracted out [apart-]from its entire CONTEXT) to grasp what Peter is speaking about by referring to it.



[and that's aside from what I just put in another post: https://christianchat.com/threads/t...-by-christ-and-his-saints.197275/post-4486637 ; it is (earthly-located) "the Day of the Lord" which ARRIVES like "a thief IN THE NIGHT" with its "man of sin ...IN HIS TIME"]
 
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I've mentioned in another thread, that, when reading Peter's 2Pet3:10-12 passage, one should read BOTH CHPTS of Isaiah 34-35 (and not just Isa34:4 extracted out [apart-]from its entire CONTEXT) to grasp what Peter is speaking about by referring to it.
Look, brother, you need to stop before you hurt yourself ;)

Please read in Acts where the angel says,"This same Jesus...will come again in like manner as ye have seen Him go." Did His departure involve any sort of extended time periods, delays, connecting flights, lost luggage, and TSA searches like your talking about, or did He just ascend up until He was "received out of their sight"?

Likewise, He's coming back in the same way: abruptly, unannounced and within a single 24 hour period aka "the Day of the Lord".
 

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Look, brother, you need to stop before you hurt yourself ;)
Please read in Acts where the angel says,"This same Jesus...will come again in like manner as ye have seen Him go." Did His departure involve any sort of extended time periods, delays, connecting flights, lost luggage, and TSA searches like your talking about, or did He just ascend up until He was "received out of their sight"?
Likewise, He's coming back in the same way: abruptly, unannounced and within a single 24 hour period aka "the Day of the Lord".
Sure, He's coming BACK (to the earth) in that same manner "as [they] have SEEN Him going [/traveling] INTO Heaven" (that is, VISIBLY).

But, some "40 days" PRIOR to that point, He did His "[active] I ASCEND" (John 20:17) and only told Mary Magdalene (to whom He "FIRST appeared") to "go to My brethren and SAY UNTO them" about this... which, according to Scripture, "the eleven" did not believe her (Jesus later "upbraids them for their 'unbelief and hardness of heart"... about this very thing), nor any other of those who had seen Him after He had risen from the dead (like the 2 Emmaus road walkers, with whom He sat at meat [and when He "vanished out of their sight"], before they went to go tell the others about it, that very same day [late in the evening]).

However, no one "SAW" Him do this "[ACTIVE] I ASCEND" which took place on His Resurrection Day [that is, ON Firstfruit, thus fulfilling Lev23:10-12 (which chpt has TWO mentions of "firstfruit"... pertaining to two distinct "harvests" as I've mentioned...)]


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BTW, there was only ONE who "SAW [the linen clothes] AND BELIEVED" (and, no, I do not believe Scripture supports that that person's identity was "John" as popularly believed [and "tradition" teaches])
 
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Jesus Christ Will Exercise His Final Judgement By Fire, When The 7th Trump Sounds!

The Earth Is Burned At His Presence, Yea, The World, And All That Dwell Therein.

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved
, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God
, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Then Jesus will not fulfill the promise of restoration as is written in the book of Isaiah?
Then God's promise to tabernacle once again with his people falls short?
Then a rod of iron is used to rule in the heavenly place rather than the light and love of God almighty?
Then man is still divided among nations and tongues in the spiritual?

Jesus will come back just as he left...in the flesh. He will sit on the throne of david as promised
All the nations will come to worship him. This is the fulfillment of the order of Melchizedek.
To have the title of king of kings and lord of lords it has to be in the flesh as well as the spiritual.
 
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Then Jesus will not fulfill the promise of restoration as is written in the book of Isaiah?
Of course He will...after He cleanses the Earth with fire, He will re-create it and this time we'll all be able to watch.
Then God's promise to tabernacle once again with his people falls short?
We begin to tabernacle with Him when the saints are "caught up to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we be ever with the Lord."
Then a rod of iron is used to rule in the heavenly place rather than the light and love of God almighty? Then man is still divided among nations and tongues in the spiritual?
Jesus "iron rod" rule over the nations He inherits at His Second Coming is a very short reign, according to Psalms 2, when "Thou shalt break them to pieces with a rod of iron. Thou shalt dash them to pieces like a potter's vessel." Then, the righteous nation which remains will begin to heal by the leaves of the Tree of Life of which they will partake in heaven during the Millennial reign with Jesus.
Jesus will come back just as he left...in the flesh. He will sit on the throne of david as promisedl. All the nations will come to worship him. This is the fulfillment of the order of Melchizedek. To have the title of king of kings and lord of lords it has to be in the flesh as well as the spiritual.
The only problem with your chronology is that you leave out the prophecies of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Revelation, the Psalms, and other passages about the coming period of a desolate, destroyed, pitch-black darkened, empty, silent Earth devoid of all life with the bodies of the wicked all over who ran for the rocks and mountains before dropping dead "at the brightness of His coming". I've yet to meet anyone who can explain how such unbelievably catastrophic judgments of God can fit into any Jesuit Futurist scenario where there's always human life and activity happening down here.
 

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Christ will exercise his Kingly authority on Earth when the 7th trump sounds:

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
It doesn't make sense that kingdoms need to become the Lords because,

The earth is the LORD's, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it Psa.24:1

It's likely in Rev.11:15, the saints are saying that at some point in time, they realized the truth, that the kingdoms of this world have always belonged to our Lord.

The rod of iron reign only begins after Christ has come:

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

The saints reign will be on the Earth not from heaven:

Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the EARTH.

second coming:

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

After the second coming:

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

All these prove a literal kingdom with Christ and his saints physically here on the Earth literally ruling over human beings of various nations.
If power given to Christ's followers was only a future event, Jesus would not have said,

Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Lk.10:19
 
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Of course He will...after He cleanses the Earth with fire, He will re-create it and this time we'll all be able to watch.
We begin to tabernacle with Him when the saints are "caught up to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we be ever with the Lord."
Jesus "iron rod" rule over the nations He inherits at His Second Coming is a very short reign, according to Psalms 2, when "Thou shalt break them to pieces with a rod of iron. Thou shalt dash them to pieces like a potter's vessel." Then, the righteous nation which remains will begin to heal by the leaves of the Tree of Life of which they will partake in heaven during the Millennial reign with Jesus.
The only problem with your chronology is that you leave out the prophecies of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Revelation, the Psalms, and other passages about the coming period of a desolate, destroyed, pitch-black darkened, empty, silent Earth devoid of all life with the bodies of the wicked all over who ran for the rocks and mountains before dropping dead "at the brightness of His coming". I've yet to meet anyone who can explain how such unbelievably catastrophic judgments of God can fit into any Jesuit Futurist scenario where there's always human life and activity happening down here.
The return of jesus is to redeem Israel. It is not to judge and cleanse the earth untill all is fulfilled.
This is the problem with your chronology.
He is to establish his kingdom on earth. Judgement come after this....after Satan is loosed to receive again.
We pray "your will be done on earth as it is in heaven".
 

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Did Christianity rule Europe for a thousand years from Rome to the Middle Ages?The effect is not good,still no one is good but god.
 

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Then Jesus will not fulfill the promise of restoration as is written in the book of Isaiah?
Then God's promise to tabernacle once again with his people falls short?
Then a rod of iron is used to rule in the heavenly place rather than the light and love of God almighty?
Then man is still divided among nations and tongues in the spiritual?

Jesus will come back just as he left...in the flesh. He will sit on the throne of david as promised
All the nations will come to worship him. This is the fulfillment of the order of Melchizedek.
To have the title of king of kings and lord of lords it has to be in the flesh as well as the spiritual.
Pretty Hard To Have Mortal Humans, In A Kingdom On Earth That Won't Exist :giggle:

The Earth Is Burned At His Presence, Yea, The World, And All That Dwell Therein.

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved
, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God
, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 

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The entire "secret rapture" idea is built around Jesus supposedly coming "as a thief in the night" to quietly whisk away the saints before the 7 year tribulation, but Peter says when Jesus comes as "a thief in the night", the Earth is going to be in a catastrophic state. How can there be 7 more years of anything?
Exactly!

The Cult of John N. Darby & C.I. Scofield in Dispensationalism do use the ole (Thief In The Night) verse below, it was used as the title for the 1972 Sci-Fi thriller movie attached, shown in Churches around the world in the 70's-80's, The pre-trib rapture, those left behind subjected to no food, medical, Antichrist death squads chasing Christians, guillotines, the mark of the beast or die!

That film and its sequels (Distant Thunder) & (Mark Of The Beast) were pushed every Friday, Saturday night in churches for "Years"!

Of Course (The Day Of The Lord Comes As A Thief) In Fire And Judgement, The Heavens And Earth Are (Dissolved)

Wikipedia: A Thief in the Night is a 1972 evangelical Christian film written by Jim Grant, directed and produced by Donald W. Thompson. The film stars Patty Dunning as Patty Myers, the main character and protagonist, along with Thom Rachford, Colleen Niday, and Mike Niday in supporting roles. It is the first installment in the Thief in the Night series about the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ. The film is set during the near future, focusing on Patty, a young woman who was not raptured and who struggles to decide what to do in the face of the Tribulation.

A Thief in the Night

Theatrical release poster

1 Thessalonians 5:1-2KJV
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;
in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
 

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Truth7t7

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#58
2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;


as a thief, The simple understanding is that you didn't know the thief was here.

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...nd-coming-of-jesus.193968/page-6#post-4476228

If Jesus appears in China during the day, then in America it is night.

Believe me, I'm not crazy,I'm serious.
The simple understanding is, the thief in the night (Isn't) a (Pre-Trib Rapture) as many falsely claim and teach.

It is (The Day Of The Lord) when the heavens and earth are (Dissolved) by the Lords fire in judgement as seen below, very clear, simple, and easy to understand.

Those that follow the teachings of John N. Darby & Adulterer C.I. Scofield in (Dispensationalism) dont want to acknowledge the presented truth, because their Pre-Trib Rapture is "Gone"!

1 Thessalonians 5:1-2KJV
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
 

oyster67

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Is the scripture below teaching a literal day, a literal thousand years, or is it symbolic of the Lords Spirutual realm of no time?

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
It is telling us that the Lord dwells outside and above time. That is what time like for the Lord. For us, 1000 years = 1000 years. There is nothing complicated or new here. (At least not for most of us.)