Jesus and Paul -two different gospels?

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throughfaith

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That wasn't the question presented. The question presented was whether Jesus preached a different Gospel than Paul.

I just showed you where they preached the same. That no one believed, prior to His death and resurrection is irrelevant to that question.
Why are you saying ' they ' preached ? Could you show me a verse where ' they ' preached the death, burial and resurrection prior to the death burial and resurrection? You Just quoted where Jesus TOLD them what was going to happen. Which they did not understand. They were not preaching Paul's gospel and if they were then Jesus would not have been crucified . They did not believe the resurrection even after it happened ,so its impossible that they were preaching the Gospel ( Paul preached ) before the Gospel ( 1.cor 15 ,1-4 ) actually happened. Jesus is not ' preaching ' what Paul ' preached prior to the cross / resurrection . He's telling them so that AFTER they should remember what he said actually happened.
 

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You are not getting his point.

Jesus was not sent to the gentiles, during his first coming, in the first place so he could not preaching ANY gospel to the gentiles (Ephesians 2:11-12, Matthew 15:24, romans 15:8), to be under the curse that Paul was talking about in Galatians.

Apparently Paul and all of scripture disagrees with your assessment.

For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God’s truth, so that the promises made to the patriarchs might be confirmed 9 and, moreover, that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy. As it is written:

“Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles;
I will sing the praises of your name.”
10 Again, it says,

“Rejoice, you Gentiles, with his people.”
11 And again,

“Praise the Lord, all you Gentiles;
let all the peoples extol him.”
12 And again, Isaiah says,

“The Root of Jesse will spring up,
one who will arise to rule over the nations;
in him the Gentiles will hope.”
13 May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Paul's biggest asset to the Gospel, outside of being the best forerunner in setting up and organizing the Church Body through his evangelistic Calling, was breaking down the LAW and shining LIGHT upon what the Gospel meant.

John the Baptist preached there is ONE who can Baptize your soul.
Jesus taught and preached Who our Father is and the Relationship He desires to have with us.
Paul [taught] us the Gospel is freedom from the LAW which allows a better Relationship to our Father.

And it [ALL] revolves around the Death-Burial-Resurrection of Christ!
 

throughfaith

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The problem you have is you miss the part were Paul says that these other gospels are anathema.

There is only one Gospel Jesus and Paul fully agree. If Jesus taught a different gospel than Paul you are saying Jesus teaching is Anathema.
If you preach today Luke 6.9 then this is ' another ' Gospel '. Which is kinda what your advocating unwittingly.
 

throughfaith

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I feel like I'm in a bad dream, where Christians are not believing the gospel we preach today ( pauls ) is the death ,burial and resurrection for our sins . And that prior to the death, burial and resurrection for our sins , according to the Scriptures ,they were going around preaching this same message with Jesus still walking around with them ? Especially when the bible clearly says they were not preaching this good news , they did not understand this gospel. And had they been preaching this Gospel they wouldn't have crucified him ????
Yes Jesus told them , but they didn't believe him . Did you forget that Thomas needed to SEE the wounds and physically examine him . Because he didn't believe in the resurrection. Try that today . If a person rejects the death ,burial and resurrection , will they be saved ?
 

phil36

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If you preach today Luke 6.9 then this is ' another ' Gospel '. Which is kinda what your advocating unwittingly.

I've never heard any one preach Luke 6:9 as the gospel..Have you? If so give us references and quotes and we can check it out. Thanks.

But it certainly is one verse that is part of a larger discourse.. It's from 6:1 thru verse 11, You do know that don't you. Does it inform us about something wonderful about Jesus himself?

You need to know Jesus and what he actually taught.
 

throughfaith

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I've never heard any one preach Luke 6:9 as the gospel..Have you? If so give us references and quotes and we can check it out. Thanks.

But it certainly is one verse that is part of a larger discourse.. It's from 6:1 thru verse 11, You do know that don't you. Does it inform us about something wonderful about Jesus himself?

You need to know Jesus and what he actually taught.
Luke 9.6
6¶And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching THE GOSPEL, and healing every where

Here you go , now you have read where they were preaching ' the gospel ' . That did not include the death , burial and resurrection, which if someone rejects today and does not believe goes to hell .
 

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Everything that Paul taught came directly from the Lord, except in certain places where he had no word from the Lord on a specific matter and he gave his insight on.
This may be where the problem creeps in. Why did Paul do this? How often? and Where did Paul do this?
 

throughfaith

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I've never heard any one preach Luke 6:9 as the gospel..Have you? If so give us references and quotes and we can check it out. Thanks.

But it certainly is one verse that is part of a larger discourse.. It's from 6:1 thru verse 11, You do know that don't you. Does it inform us about something wonderful about Jesus himself?

You need to know Jesus and what he actually taught.
You can infer all you like . They were not preaching the DBR prior to it. Paul preached the DBR and if a person does not believe the DBR for our sins can they be saved today?
 
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2 Timothy 1:11 - [Paul writes]

"to which *I* was appointed [G5087] herald, and apostle, and teacher."



[the question being, do we believe that, or not?]
Listen, you can say what you want, I was being "real" nice in saying this.... you couldn't figure it out from Jesus?" Seriously, Jesus taught us pretty much everything. God's grace to Paul and all, but Jesus done said it. Paul was (in my mind) like the man still preaching to people who couldn't fathom Jesus~ But did Jesus fail us? NO. Did he miss anything? No. Just ppl still couldn't wrap their heads around it... so the ever so benevolent God.... gave us another. And sometimes I wonder why? For HE is so much better than me. I might be like, "seriously... done told ya.... what u doin foo!"... but God, being so great and soooooooooooo enduring in patience... gave us Paul to back up Jesus... with a few more kindnesses... as I see it. Like I feel like God said, "hey, these peeps need extra help... cuz they not figuring stuff out." And ergo, he gave us Paul. No matter what I feel like though, ultimately Jesus is the answer. Jesus said that we shall not come unto God, except thru Him, and I for one, believe Him. Loving God. Loving Jesus. Loving the Holy Spirit!
 

throughfaith

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I've never heard any one preach Luke 6:9 as the gospel..Have you? If so give us references and quotes and we can check it out. Thanks.

But it certainly is one verse that is part of a larger discourse.. It's from 6:1 thru verse 11, You do know that don't you. Does it inform us about something wonderful about Jesus himself?

You need to know Jesus and what he actually taught.
You need to believe what the bible SAYS .
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Paul makes it clear that the gospel he preached was specifically how Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day. The Lord and his disciples did not preach this prior to the cross. Their message was the good news of the restoration of the kingdom to Israel. It would include a physical deliverance from their enemies so they could serve God without fear.

Luke 1
67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,
68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, (a physical redemption)
69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; (a physical salvation)
70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; (Israel)
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; (to the nation of Israel)
73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,
74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

Even after the cross, the disciples were looking for the restoration of the kingdom of Israel because that's what they had been preaching.

Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Yep

and read the old testament

what you see is that very thing

you are placing burdens on people no one could ever keep

in the OT their faith was in God, my faith is in God

their faith is no different than mine, the only difference is I know gods plan they did not
 
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kaylagrl

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The idea that everyone in the OT were looking forward to the cross is the key axiom of covenant theology.

They were actually looking forward to the promised messiah that will usher in the promised kingdom of heaven on Earth, see Luke 1, what Gabriel, Mary and Zechariah stated

Yes, which is what Christ will do. So we could say they were looking toward Christ and beyond. :)
 

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This may be where the problem creeps in. Why did Paul do this? How often? and Where did Paul do this?
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, even when Paul gave his personal thoughts. Yes?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Ok, not sure how you took it any other way, through faith in Christ, OT, NT. I thought those Scriptures were clear. Everyone is saved the same way. Jew or Gentile. The OT Jews knew Messiah was coming, they believed by faith. They looked forward, we look backward. Both of us were looking at the cross.
The OT looked for the suffering servant,

what was hidden from the, and the disciples was the messiah and suffering servant are one and the same

the message is still the same

he will redeem the, from their sins, if you rend paul he quoted those passages over and over, about how God will redeem them from their sins

if you read the psalm s and many other passages you see the same message

people like Johnny here just can’t see it, all they can see is what they were taught,

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eternally-gratefull

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The idea that everyone in the OT were looking forward to the cross is the key axiom of covenant theology.

They were actually looking forward to the promised messiah that will usher in the promised kingdom of heaven on Earth, see Luke 1, what Gabriel, Mary and Zechariah stated
Dude, we do not believe in covenant theology, please walk away with this thinking.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I've never heard any one preach Luke 6:9 as the gospel..Have you? If so give us references and quotes and we can check it out. Thanks.

But it certainly is one verse that is part of a larger discourse.. It's from 6:1 thru verse 11, You do know that don't you. Does it inform us about something wonderful about Jesus himself?

You need to know Jesus and what he actually taught.
Amen

they taught Jesus,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You need to believe what the bible SAYS .
We do

when will you?

this prideful comment you keep posting just shows the depth of your sin

you should be ashamed