I meant how we see them used . With that i never implied or said that what we 'see 'out there is geniune . Could God use a language to reach another, yes he could. Have i experienced it ? no . Can i support it from scripture? And I meant on this particular issue of tongues. The scripture would be my only basis for believing it .
The Purpose of Speaking in Tongues
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Well, if you're willing to look into how we 'see' it "out there" in comparison to scripture, I can at least volunteer to speak as one who has it and operates in it. For you that would be "out there" but for me it's closer than looking in a mirror. 
To do that openly and honestly (which is the only way it will be of true value to you) I have to make myself vulnerable. That means I have to be willing to share the mistakes along with the good stuff. So it's important for you to decide whether you want to look with mercy... or persecution.
Also, I feel it important to emphasize the fact that there WILL BE mistakes. (It seems youtube LOVES to emphasize the mistakes). And your decision whether to look with mercy or persecution will greatly affect your conclusions. And we can start that process of deciding whether to look with mercy or persecution by looking at a few biblical examples. (some might seem strange)
1.) Proverbs 14:4 KJV
2.) 2 Samuel 6:1-7 KJV
3.) John 5:5-9 KJV
I think that's enough for one posting. Next we can start scrutinizing how I, Kelbyofgod, use "speaking in tongues" today , if you're still up for that.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
To do that openly and honestly (which is the only way it will be of true value to you) I have to make myself vulnerable. That means I have to be willing to share the mistakes along with the good stuff. So it's important for you to decide whether you want to look with mercy... or persecution.
Also, I feel it important to emphasize the fact that there WILL BE mistakes. (It seems youtube LOVES to emphasize the mistakes). And your decision whether to look with mercy or persecution will greatly affect your conclusions. And we can start that process of deciding whether to look with mercy or persecution by looking at a few biblical examples. (some might seem strange)
1.) Proverbs 14:4 KJV
"Where no oxen are, the crib is clean: but much increase is by the strength of the ox." <-- A.K.A. Will you judge a situation by how messy it is... or by how much is being accomplished? (overall, not by the mistakes)
2.) 2 Samuel 6:1-7 KJV
"Again, David gathered together all the chosen men of Israel, thirty thousand. [2] And David arose, and went with all the people that were with him from Baale of Judah, to bring up from thence the ark of God, whose name is called by the name of the LORD of hosts that dwelleth between the cherubims. [3] And they set the ark of God upon a new cart, and brought it out of the house of Abinadab that was in Gibeah: and Uzzah and Ahio, the sons of Abinadab, drave the new cart. [4] And they brought it out of the house of Abinadab which was at Gibeah, accompanying the ark of God: and Ahio went before the ark. [5] And David and all the house of Israel played before the LORD on all manner of instruments made of fir wood, even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals. [6] And when they came to Nachon's threshingfloor, Uzzah put forth his hand to the ark of God, and took hold of it; for the oxen shook it. [7] And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzzah; and God smote him there for his error; and there he died by the ark of God." <-- A few points here. When the power is greater, mistakes are highlighted and can carry a heavy cost. So the question is, When a mistake is made, will you blame the power as being bad, or search internally to see where you yourself might have made a mistake. And will you step away from the power that seems to have made bad things happen, or will you try again? (Read the rest of the chapter if you want to know what David chose).
3.) John 5:5-9 KJV
And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years. [6] When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole? [7] The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me. [8] Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk. [9] And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath. <-- Are you able to correctly discern whether Jesus was right or wrong for telling this man to do something forbidden on the sabbath? Will you be able to correctly discern when it seems rules about "speaking in tongues" are being broken or disregarded? (This will come into play when we look at some things that happen with tongues...even in the bible.)
4.) Psalm 39:1-3 KJVI said, I will take heed to my ways, that I sin not with my tongue: I will keep my mouth with a bridle, while the wicked is before me. [2] I was dumb with silence, I held my peace, even from good; and my sorrow was stirred. [3] My heart was hot within me, while I was musing the fire burned: then spake I with my tongue," <--(This one I'm just going to explain because of the fact that we won't be perfect when we start doing things.) When my wife used to bad-mouth me, I would just take it silently because I didn't want to over-react and say something inappropriate (similar to how she was speaking to me). So the situation got worse. Eventually God showed me that the value of what would be fixed was greater than the mistakes that would be made along the way. So I had to begin to correct her, even though I knew I would be saying some things wrong. So it is with speaking in tongues.. At first the person is given the ability...and they might do things wrongly...(like a baby learning to walk, or talk appropriately)... but they have to go through this stage of mistakes in order to reap the benefits of proper use (which comes as you work out the details).
I think that's enough for one posting.
Next we can start scrutinizing how I, Kelbyofgod, use "speaking in tongues" today , if you're still up for that.Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Well, if you're willing to look into how we 'see' it "out there" in comparison to scripture, I can at least volunteer to speak as one who has it and operates in it. For you that would be "out there" but for me it's closer than looking in a mirror.
To do that openly and honestly (which is the only way it will be of true value to you) I have to make myself vulnerable. That means I have to be willing to share the mistakes along with the good stuff. So it's important for you to decide whether you want to look with mercy... or persecution.
Also, I feel it important to emphasize the fact that there WILL BE mistakes. (It seems youtube LOVES to emphasize the mistakes). And your decision whether to look with mercy or persecution will greatly affect your conclusions. And we can start that process of deciding whether to look with mercy or persecution by looking at a few biblical examples. (some might seem strange)
1.) Proverbs 14:4 KJV
2.) 2 Samuel 6:1-7 KJV
3.) John 5:5-9 KJV
I think that's enough for one posting. Next we can start scrutinizing how I, Kelbyofgod, use "speaking in tongues" today , if you're still up for that.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
To do that openly and honestly (which is the only way it will be of true value to you) I have to make myself vulnerable. That means I have to be willing to share the mistakes along with the good stuff. So it's important for you to decide whether you want to look with mercy... or persecution.
Also, I feel it important to emphasize the fact that there WILL BE mistakes. (It seems youtube LOVES to emphasize the mistakes). And your decision whether to look with mercy or persecution will greatly affect your conclusions. And we can start that process of deciding whether to look with mercy or persecution by looking at a few biblical examples. (some might seem strange)
1.) Proverbs 14:4 KJV
"Where no oxen are, the crib is clean: but much increase is by the strength of the ox." <-- A.K.A. Will you judge a situation by how messy it is... or by how much is being accomplished? (overall, not by the mistakes)
2.) 2 Samuel 6:1-7 KJV
"Again, David gathered together all the chosen men of Israel, thirty thousand. [2] And David arose, and went with all the people that were with him from Baale of Judah, to bring up from thence the ark of God, whose name is called by the name of the LORD of hosts that dwelleth between the cherubims. [3] And they set the ark of God upon a new cart, and brought it out of the house of Abinadab that was in Gibeah: and Uzzah and Ahio, the sons of Abinadab, drave the new cart. [4] And they brought it out of the house of Abinadab which was at Gibeah, accompanying the ark of God: and Ahio went before the ark. [5] And David and all the house of Israel played before the LORD on all manner of instruments made of fir wood, even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals. [6] And when they came to Nachon's threshingfloor, Uzzah put forth his hand to the ark of God, and took hold of it; for the oxen shook it. [7] And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzzah; and God smote him there for his error; and there he died by the ark of God." <-- A few points here. When the power is greater, mistakes are highlighted and can carry a heavy cost. So the question is, When a mistake is made, will you blame the power as being bad, or search internally to see where you yourself might have made a mistake. And will you step away from the power that seems to have made bad things happen, or will you try again? (Read the rest of the chapter if you want to know what David chose).
3.) John 5:5-9 KJV
And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years. [6] When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole? [7] The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me. [8] Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk. [9] And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath. <-- Are you able to correctly discern whether Jesus was right or wrong for telling this man to do something forbidden on the sabbath? Will you be able to correctly discern when it seems rules about "speaking in tongues" are being broken or disregarded? (This will come into play when we look at some things that happen with tongues...even in the bible.)
4.) Psalm 39:1-3 KJVI said, I will take heed to my ways, that I sin not with my tongue: I will keep my mouth with a bridle, while the wicked is before me. [2] I was dumb with silence, I held my peace, even from good; and my sorrow was stirred. [3] My heart was hot within me, while I was musing the fire burned: then spake I with my tongue," <--(This one I'm just going to explain because of the fact that we won't be perfect when we start doing things.) When my wife used to bad-mouth me, I would just take it silently because I didn't want to over-react and say something inappropriate (similar to how she was speaking to me). So the situation got worse. Eventually God showed me that the value of what would be fixed was greater than the mistakes that would be made along the way. So I had to begin to correct her, even though I knew I would be saying some things wrong. So it is with speaking in tongues.. At first the person is given the ability...and they might do things wrongly...(like a baby learning to walk, or talk appropriately)... but they have to go through this stage of mistakes in order to reap the benefits of proper use (which comes as you work out the details).
I think that's enough for one posting.
Next we can start scrutinizing how I, Kelbyofgod, use "speaking in tongues" today , if you're still up for that.Love in Jesus,
Kelby
It sounds to me like you really need to ask yourself why you are in this particular thread. Are you here because you are missing something regarding tongues (or any of the other gifts that come with the Holy Ghost)... because that's what this thread is about... showing the functions of the Holy Ghost , and SPECIFICALLY the biblical benefits of speaking in tongues... or are you here to fight against tongues (as some come to do)?
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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Well, if you're willing to look into how we 'see' it "out there" in comparison to scripture, I can at least volunteer to speak as one who has it and operates in it. For you that would be "out there" but for me it's closer than looking in a mirror.
To do that openly and honestly (which is the only way it will be of true value to you) I have to make myself vulnerable. That means I have to be willing to share the mistakes along with the good stuff. So it's important for you to decide whether you want to look with mercy... or persecution.
Also, I feel it important to emphasize the fact that there WILL BE mistakes. (It seems youtube LOVES to emphasize the mistakes). And your decision whether to look with mercy or persecution will greatly affect your conclusions. And we can start that process of deciding whether to look with mercy or persecution by looking at a few biblical examples. (some might seem strange)
1.) Proverbs 14:4 KJV
2.) 2 Samuel 6:1-7 KJV
3.) John 5:5-9 KJV
I think that's enough for one posting. Next we can start scrutinizing how I, Kelbyofgod, use "speaking in tongues" today , if you're still up for that.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
To do that openly and honestly (which is the only way it will be of true value to you) I have to make myself vulnerable. That means I have to be willing to share the mistakes along with the good stuff. So it's important for you to decide whether you want to look with mercy... or persecution.
Also, I feel it important to emphasize the fact that there WILL BE mistakes. (It seems youtube LOVES to emphasize the mistakes). And your decision whether to look with mercy or persecution will greatly affect your conclusions. And we can start that process of deciding whether to look with mercy or persecution by looking at a few biblical examples. (some might seem strange)
1.) Proverbs 14:4 KJV
"Where no oxen are, the crib is clean: but much increase is by the strength of the ox." <-- A.K.A. Will you judge a situation by how messy it is... or by how much is being accomplished? (overall, not by the mistakes)
2.) 2 Samuel 6:1-7 KJV
"Again, David gathered together all the chosen men of Israel, thirty thousand. [2] And David arose, and went with all the people that were with him from Baale of Judah, to bring up from thence the ark of God, whose name is called by the name of the LORD of hosts that dwelleth between the cherubims. [3] And they set the ark of God upon a new cart, and brought it out of the house of Abinadab that was in Gibeah: and Uzzah and Ahio, the sons of Abinadab, drave the new cart. [4] And they brought it out of the house of Abinadab which was at Gibeah, accompanying the ark of God: and Ahio went before the ark. [5] And David and all the house of Israel played before the LORD on all manner of instruments made of fir wood, even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals. [6] And when they came to Nachon's threshingfloor, Uzzah put forth his hand to the ark of God, and took hold of it; for the oxen shook it. [7] And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzzah; and God smote him there for his error; and there he died by the ark of God." <-- A few points here. When the power is greater, mistakes are highlighted and can carry a heavy cost. So the question is, When a mistake is made, will you blame the power as being bad, or search internally to see where you yourself might have made a mistake. And will you step away from the power that seems to have made bad things happen, or will you try again? (Read the rest of the chapter if you want to know what David chose).
3.) John 5:5-9 KJV
And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years. [6] When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole? [7] The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me. [8] Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk. [9] And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath. <-- Are you able to correctly discern whether Jesus was right or wrong for telling this man to do something forbidden on the sabbath? Will you be able to correctly discern when it seems rules about "speaking in tongues" are being broken or disregarded? (This will come into play when we look at some things that happen with tongues...even in the bible.)
4.) Psalm 39:1-3 KJVI said, I will take heed to my ways, that I sin not with my tongue: I will keep my mouth with a bridle, while the wicked is before me. [2] I was dumb with silence, I held my peace, even from good; and my sorrow was stirred. [3] My heart was hot within me, while I was musing the fire burned: then spake I with my tongue," <--(This one I'm just going to explain because of the fact that we won't be perfect when we start doing things.) When my wife used to bad-mouth me, I would just take it silently because I didn't want to over-react and say something inappropriate (similar to how she was speaking to me). So the situation got worse. Eventually God showed me that the value of what would be fixed was greater than the mistakes that would be made along the way. So I had to begin to correct her, even though I knew I would be saying some things wrong. So it is with speaking in tongues.. At first the person is given the ability...and they might do things wrongly...(like a baby learning to walk, or talk appropriately)... but they have to go through this stage of mistakes in order to reap the benefits of proper use (which comes as you work out the details).
I think that's enough for one posting.
Next we can start scrutinizing how I, Kelbyofgod, use "speaking in tongues" today , if you're still up for that.Love in Jesus,
Kelby
you asked //.WHY was it given? WHAT does the bible say it accomplishes (while it is in operation)?/// I answered this question in detail . It was given as a Sign to Jews ( unbelieving Jews) . It accomplishes this. While its in operation, this is its goal ,so to speak . Jews Always require a sign . Thats what those verses at the end of Mark say these ' signs ' will be and for . In Acts we see them fulfilled . After this can God use them again ( so to speak) Yes of course . I believe they could be in operation again later for the jews . Currently we have no reason to believe they are in operation today , but im not dogmatic about it . Scriptural wise I have no reason to believe tongues were anything more than a ' sign ' accompanying the message to the Jews .
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