Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??

Thanks for the compliment. The only thing I can think of is that in some traditions, the preacher's words are regarded as one small step below Scripture, so if he tells you to do something, you "must" do it. The twin children of such traditions are arrogance and abuse.

Magenta said:

Also, so many speak about men being the head over the woman, but what if husband gives wife the okay
to preach? Is that some breach of... protocol? Does any other man have a right to contradict the matter?

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I don't see that "protocol" anywhere in Scripture. The only case where a husband and wife ministered together is that of Aquila and Prisca, and after their initial introduction, her name is put first.

IMHO, whether a married woman is "free" to preach is between her, her husband, and God. A wise wife will respect her husband, and a wise husband will not stand in between his wife and her calling in Christ. If another man isn't comfortable with a female preacher, he is free to get up and leave, just as he is with any male preacher.

Your stubbornness on this matter is astounding. I have corrected you on this exact thing in this very thread, and you continue in your error. Go and read the story of Deborah in Judges, and stop spouting ignorant sexism.

Unbiblical hogwash.

Your opinion on the matter is not equal. You need to align yourself with scripture not go about railing on others who do believe what the bible teaches.
Just more evidence of rebellion against the word of God. Just because you do not like it does not mean that it is unbiblical. I'm not even sorry that your moral superiority is offended by Gods word.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

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Some women are single and it can't be helped. As indeed are some men.

The irrelevance and stupidity of your comments are evidence that you have abandoned rational discussion and shut your mind to the possibility of your own error.

There is no where in scripture that says the man has to be the PASTOR of the church. All references to leadership in the church is ALWAYS by a plurality of Elders along with the Apostles and Prophets.

A classic example of making the word fit our teaching rather than fitting our teaching to the word. No one has said women cannot be preachers of the word. What has been said many times is that women teaching is acceptablre is specific situations and that is not as an Elder or pastor.

As all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitablre for etc. what Paul wrote to Timothy ( Timothy didn't write it) is not for the time it is for all time.

What he wrote was for the purpose of letting the church know how they conducted themselves. Both then and now.

What a woman preaches is irrelevant if it is not according to the Word's instruction about women's teaching.

Instead of comparing the KJV to the AV, which are basically the same, try comparing to Koine Greek.

"Νύμφαν καὶ τὴν κατ’ οἶκον αὐτῆς ἐκκλησίαν" Col 4:15b

The first word is Νύμφαν or Nymphan. The "n" is at the end of word to show it is the accusative case, singular feminine, and we knock off the final "n" in English, because we do not have noun cases. Unfortunately, the sigma ending you use, is masculine, nominative in all three declensions. An accusative noun is needed, and when you add the S or sigma, you destroy the grammar of the passage, by putting the noun in the nominative case, which doesn't match the accusative which is used in this part of verse.


The other important word is αὐτῆς or autes which is Feminine, singular, Accusative case. In other words, it means "her."

So, in Greek, Nyphman is feminine, which matches the personal pronoun, "her."

So much simpler and true is you don't look at the KJV, translated from all those late 7 corrupted manuscripts, and just go the Greek from the start!

In fact, the word "helper" or ezer is used twice in the opening chapters of Genesis. If we compare the word to other uses in the OT, it refers mostly to God, imploring and begging God to come to help. So the true meaning of ezer, is actually "strong helper." If you use the proper definition in Genesis, what you have is a great woman warrior, who stands together with her husband in spiritual warfare, to defeat their enemies. But the Fall did change that, but the Fall messed up the world, that was perfect before humans messed things up,

People really need to use the original languages, instead of claiming truth based on a translation, sometimes from corrupted manuscripts, such as the KJV translators used, because 400 years ago, that was all they had!! Unlike today when there are 6000 extant Greek NT manuscripts, which have all been studied extensively for mistakes, and categorized into families of the same readings of the manuscripts.

As a warning, you can't make a doctrine based on a few Scripture verses, which are often spurious, and satisfy the needs of men, not what has been discovered (exegeted) from the Bible.

I agree that women today are not physically as strong as men, and never will be. But at the dawn of creation? Eve could have been a very big woman warrior, who could defeat an evil person or spirit. Most women have lost this strength, but that is before the Fall and Eve was not a wimp, but a strong woman to match Adam. Let's use the model of creation, instead of modern women, who do not fit the description of "shield maiden!" The Bible says Eve was a strong helper, just like God was a strong helper for the nation of Israel.

Yeah how did God use such a terrible piece of work for four hundred years to bring unsaved souls to Christ? Too bad you were not around four hundred years ago to set them straight.

If we take your understanding Col 4:15 and apply it to 1 Tim 3 does it create a conflict? How can a bishop be the husband of one wife and be female?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

God uses imperfect English translations of His perfect word just as He uses imperfect human representatives of His perfect Son.

A man who is married may only have one wife. The same restriction is put on deacons, yet Phoebe was a deacon (Romans 16:1), which means that it does not restrict either eldership or deaconship to men.

1 Timothy 3:1-3 .......
"This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; "

How many more do you need.????

Now before you post that several translations use the word "Overseer". Correct. However if you read the entire verses, 1-3 you will see that in verse #2, "Husband of one wife" in the original Greek is ἄνδρα μιᾶς γυναικὸς, andra mias gunaikos.

andra = man, husband. “A man, i.e, an adult male person.”
mias = “One, the first cardinal numeral.”
gunaikos = Woman, wife,

So Paul is clearly telling us that the overseer must be a “MAN of one woman” which is translated as “husband of one wife.” This refutes the counter-argument.

But feel free to believe whatever you want to.

DING DING DING!! WE HAVE A WINNER! It took 34 pages but there it is!

And right there is the bottom line of this whole thread!!!!!!!!!!

The reason why the world....all of it is in the shape that it is in is because WE DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO no matter what the Word of God says.

Isaiah 30:10 says..........
"who say to the seers, “Do not see,” and to the prophets, “Do not prophesy to us what is right; speak to us smooth things, prophesy lies"

That's called role reversal. It was a woman who washed the feet of Christ, but this is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT. And if you support women preachers, you just made the Bible irrelevant. Now each one may do what is right in their own eyes. As in the times of the Judges. And the end result was judgments on Israel.

1 Timothy 3:12 Deacons must be husbands of only one wife, and good managers of their children and their own households.

Romans 16:1 I commend to you our sister Phoebe, who is a servant (diakonon = deacon) of the church which is at Cenchrea;

A sister was a deacon and was commended by Paul, so either Paul is contradicting himself (not likely), or the restriction, "husband of one wife" does not mean that only men may be deacons, and similarly, it does not mean that for elders either.

Further, "elder" is neither "pastor" nor "preacher".

Acts 2 says "your sons & daughters shall prophesy, and also on bondslaves, both men & women.
Thayer's lexicon
to prophesy, i. e. to be a prophet, speak forth by divine inspiration; to predict (Herodotus, Pindar, Euripides, Plato, Plutarch, others);

a. universally, Matthew 7:22.
b. with the idea of foretelling future events pertaining especially to the kingdom of God: Matthew 11:13; Acts 2:17, 18; Acts 21:9; περί τίνος, Matthew 15:7; Mark 7:6; 1 Peter 1:10; ἐπί τίνι, over i. e. concerning one (see ἐπί, B. 2 f. β'., p. 234a), Revelation 10:11; εἰς τινα (i. e. Christ), the Epistle of Barnabas 5, 6 [ET]; προφητεύειν followed by λέγων, with the words uttered by the prophet, Jude 1:14; followed by ὅτι, John 11:51.
c. to utter forth, declare, a thing which can only be known by divine revelation: Matthew 26:68; Mark 14:65; Luke 22:64, cf. 7:39; John 4:19.
d. to break forth under sudden impulse in lofty discourse or in praise of the divine counsels: Luke 1:67; Acts 19:6 (1 Samuel 10:10, 11; 1 Samuel 19:20, 21, etc.); — or, under the like prompting, to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others (see προφήτης, II. 1 f.), 1 Corinthians 11:4, 5; 1 Corinthians 13:9; 1 Corinthians 14:1, 3, 4, 5, 24, 31, 39.
e. to act as a prophet, discharge the prophetic office: Revelation 11:3. (On the word see Trench, N. T. Synonyms, § vi.)

Now, why would I use these verses, to speak about women preachers? Because the OT prophets prophesied, preached , taught the people, reproved, & comforted just like this lexicon says.
Does that mean every man & woman in the church will do all these things? No, not necessarily. Only when the Holy Spirit prompts them to, and I for one will not try to determine what He wants us to do at any given time.
But since the OT had men & women prophets that told kings what God said & what they needed to do, I see no reason why men & women prophets can't do the same today, you know, under a better covenant established on better promises.

All this is ministry that edifies the body of Christ. Just because a particular denomination or 4 or 8 doesn't believe that anymore isn't my fault. The Bible says it, and anyone who doesn't believe what God's Word says is foolish at least & I'd be afraid to say at most.

Stating that 1/2 the church or so can't speak to the world about their salvation is something I'd be afraid to do, because only the Godhead has such authority.

You want to argue about somebody "usurping" authority, why not discuss why all these people saying women can't preach based on preconceived notions are usurping authority on Christ's church? How dare someone argue against God! How dare someone judge the servant of God! She will stand, for God is able to make her stand, with you or without you.

I am not taking a side now, were we not told go into the world preaching the Gospel? Could a woman teach , other women while under the authority of men. I have wondered about this?

Welcome to CC.

In answer to your question, Yes, absolutely, though the "authority" of a man is certainly not required for one female believer to teach another.