Was the Garden of Eden, literally Heaven on Earth? Was the Earth already fallen except for the Garden?

Oh, silly me, satan wasn't the first to sin or cause disorder. ::rolls eyes::

Yes, he still had access after being cast out. So what?

What is wrong with you? Satan didn't start out evil. He became prideful on his own.

Who gave Satan [PRIDE] so he could become prideful?

Who sat Satan beside Him and allowed the morning stars to honor him?

How do you not know angels have free will?

Being full of PRIDE and given special treatment is almost as equal to being Tempted to see if Satan sins.

Hey, you actually said something that is correct.

You cannot choose to sin without free will. They cannot choose to go against God without the ability and [will] to do it.

I just want to know what actually happened. I'm not trying to fight with you. I just want to you guys to consider what I'm saying.

Prior to Adam and Eve, the image of God (who is love) was not upon homo sapiens. Prior to Adam being given the command to not eat from the tree of knowledge, there was no sin, as outside from love/God homo sapiens had no command/s from God. The world was therefore not fallen prior to Adam and Eve.

Then just say it.

What, exactly, do you believe?

God gave satan all the chances in the world to repent.

I am considering what you're saying, but until we know the [PURPOSE] for God allowing Pride to rule Satan and then giving him special treatment to where Satan saw himself equal to God, gives us a clearer meaning to why God told Adam/Eve not to [Eat].

God did it in Heaven to Satan and on Earth to His newest Creation, mankind.

Oh, boy.

And the scriptures that would back this assertion are...?

Do you know what wave collapse is? A wave doesn't have a physical history until it is collapsed. That history of homo sapiens was added to this fallen world when they became fallen themselves.

You are attempting to vilify God. Stop it.

I think your asking if transgression created the flesh ? The physical existence of mankind ?

I would say that transgression corrupted the body , corrupted what God had already created and set it on a miscourse Because he gave us free will, and stewardship of earth.

the body was created by the lord from the earth and the knowledge of good and evil was forbidden , and then the knowledge of good and evil corrupted the body and we have the term flesh.

we were already physical already like Jesus resurrected body , and we partook of a curse and became like we are now born under sentence of death. The gospel is about restoration of what was taken in the beginning

when he created man he placed then in the garden and gave them the right to the tree of life then they transgressed

“And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:

and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:22-24‬ ‭

that was not Gods will his will was for them to be in Eden with him and live

Jesus is about restoring what was taken

“He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭2:

this is only one example but he restores what Satan took away in the beginning

there are two realms of creation the earthly and the heavenly . We have to forms of body earthly and heavenly not flesh and blood reference here

“There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:40, 44, 49-50‬ ‭

flesh and blood can’t inherit but we have two forms the flesh and the spirit . Flesh is about a corrupted body , being born again promises a heavenly body

we aren’t what we were , what we are going to be is what we were meant to be before transgression

I agree. Until Cain went and married with the homo sapiens; and Seth the same; homo sapiens and their offspring were then free from the tree of knowledge. It is only after their being made aware of the new sciences available to them, when the falling took off.

Jesus was "made Him to be sin" ..does that mean He was fallen until He rose? How else does Jesus remove Satan's claim on us? We know Jesus was without sin ..but He had to interact with this place somehow. Can "fallen" be different than the act of "sin"?

How can the Almighty be a Villain knowing the End from the Beginning? It's called His Purpose and Will and it was done!