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phil36

phil36

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throughfaith said:
why can't you tell me what the Gospel is ?
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Deflection.

Again,

The burden of proof is on you my friend. You have to show us where the scripture teaches that Jesus taught a different gospel from Paul.

Especially when Paul disagrees with you.


For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. (Ephesians 2).


So can you show us where Paul says his gospel is not the same as Jesus'?
 
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phil36 said:
Deflection.

Again,

The burden of proof is on you my friend. You have to show us where the scripture teaches that Jesus taught a different gospel from Paul.

Especially when Paul disagrees with you.


For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. (Ephesians 2).


So can you show us where Paul says his gospel is not the same as Jesus'?
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You want me to find a verse which literally says ' my gospel is not the same as Jesus " ? And what is the point discussing the Gospel when you cannot explain it ? You just keep saying the word ' gospel ' ( good news) as if just saying it ,explains it . I would like to know WHICH good news your referring to ?
 
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phil36 said:
Deflection.

Again,

The burden of proof is on you my friend. You have to show us where the scripture teaches that Jesus taught a different gospel from Paul.

Especially when Paul disagrees with you.


For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. (Ephesians 2).


So can you show us where Paul says his gospel is not the same as Jesus'?
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What's really scary is how so many alleged "preachers of the gospel", both here on this forum and elsewhere, spend their time doing nothing more than ERECTING THE VERY BARRIER or "the middle wall of partition between us" that Christ himself "hath broken down" (Eph. 2:14 - KJV) by preaching an alleged distinction between the Jew and the Gentile in relation to the gospel.

In all honesty, I fear for their souls.

They're literally seeking to undo what Christ himself has done, and boldly, without any fear whatsoever.
 
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throughfaith said:
You want me to find a verse which literally says ' my gospel is not the same as Jesus " ? And what is the point discussing the Gospel when you cannot explain it ? You just keep saying the word ' gospel ' ( good news) as if just saying it ,explains it . I would like to know WHICH good news your referring to ?
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Again deflection.



The burden of proof is on you my friend. You have to show us where the scripture teaches that Jesus taught a different gospel from Paul.

Especially when Paul disagrees with you.


For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. (Ephesians 2).


So can you show us where Paul says his gospel is not the same as Jesus'?
 
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throughfaith said:
You want me to find a verse which literally says ' my gospel is not the same as Jesus " ? And what is the point discussing the Gospel when you cannot explain it ? You just keep saying the word ' gospel ' ( good news) as if just saying it ,explains it . I would like to know WHICH good news your referring to ?
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It's been explained to you already, as anybody with at least one working eye can read for themselves on this very thread, so stop with your deceit.

You know that Satan is the father of lies, right?
 
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phil36 said:
Again deflection.



The burden of proof is on you my friend. You have to show us where the scripture teaches that Jesus taught a different gospel from Paul.

Especially when Paul disagrees with you.


For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. (Ephesians 2).


So can you show us where Paul says his gospel is not the same as Jesus'?
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Until I understand what and which good news your referring to we are just going to talk past each other. No where are we told that there is only one good news .
 
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throughfaith said:
Until I understand what and which good news your referring to we are just going to talk past each other. No where are we told that there is only one good news .
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Again deflection.. Why not answer for a change.


The burden of proof is on you my friend. You have to show us where the scripture teaches that Jesus taught a different gospel from Paul.

Especially when Paul disagrees with you.


For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. (Ephesians 2).


So can you show us where Paul says his gospel is not the same as Jesus'?


Of course maybe the reason you don't answer is because you simply hold an unbiblical position.
 
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Live4Him said:
It's been explained to you already, as anybody with at least one working eye can read for themselves on this very thread, so stop with your deceit.

You know that Satan is the father of lies, right?
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I'd recommend taking a deep breath before you comment, that way you can remain cordial and less vicious.
 
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No where are we told that there is only one good news .
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Can you explain this further.

Are you saying there is more than one way to be saved?

What good news are you referring to?
 
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phil36 said:
Deflection.

Again,

The burden of proof is on you my friend. You have to show us where the scripture teaches that Jesus taught a different gospel from Paul.

Especially when Paul disagrees with you.


For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. (Ephesians 2).


So can you show us where Paul says his gospel is not the same as Jesus'?
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Is that verse before or after the Cross? before or after the resurrection?
 
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phil36 said:
Can you explain this further.

Are you saying there is more than one way to be saved?

What good news are you referring to?
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Today I refer to the good news of 2cor 5 19 . Explained by 1 cor 15 ,1-4. and appropriated by Romans 10 . 8-15.
Explained in order by Eph 1 .13 .

What good news are you preaching ?
 
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throughfaith said:
Today I refer to the good news of 2cor 5 19 . Explained by 1 cor 15 ,1-4. and appropriated by Romans 10 . 8-15.
Explained in order by Eph 1 .13 .

What good news are you preaching ?
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Half an answer, we'r getting there. So what is the other good news you are referring to?


throughfaith said:
No where are we told that there is only one good news .
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What multiple good news are you referring too?
 
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phil36 said:
Half an answer, we'r getting there. So what is the other good news you are referring to?





What multiple good news are you referring too?
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Well i don't see anyone preaching that good news to Noah , Abraham , moses in the 4 gospels ect nor in Acts 2 , 3, 5,6 ect Nor do I see it during the tribulation .
 
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phil36 said:
Half an answer, we'r getting there. So what is the other good news you are referring to?





What multiple good news are you referring too?
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And until you explain the Good news you preach today, I.ll bid you good day .
 
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throughfaith said:
Well i don't see anyone preaching that good news to Noah , Abraham , moses ect nor in Acts 2 , 3, 5,6 ect
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Cool, so you agree that there is only one good news since Jesus for both jews and gentiles?
 
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throughfaith said:
I'd recommend taking a deep breath before you comment, that way you can remain cordial and less vicious.
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It's not vicious at all.

Jesus said that we'll know a tree by its fruit, and you regularly resort to flat out lies, false accusations, strawman arguments, etc., etc.

That's the work of Satan, and not the work of God.

Anybody following this thread ought to be able to recognize the same for themselves.

Now, are you planning on addressing any of the posts that I made which document such things like how GENTILES have been being saved since the time of Abel and how Paul preached the same gospel that Moses did?

I'm also still waiting for you to tell me/us if people like Abel, Enoch, Noah, and Abraham, all GENTILES, are part of Christ's "church", or "ekklesia", or "called out assembly"?

If they're not (according to your misguided beliefs), then what are they a part of?
 
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It's not vicious at all.

Jesus said that we'll know a tree by its fruit, and you regularly resort to flat out lies, false accusations, strawman arguments, etc., etc.

That's the work of Satan, and not the work of God.

Anybody following this thread ought to be able to recognize the same for themselves.

Now, are you planning on addressing any of the posts that I made which document such things like how GENTILES have been being saved since the time of Abel and how Paul preached the same gospel that Moses did?

I'm also still waiting for you to tell me/us if people like Abel, Enoch, Noah, and Abraham, all GENTILES, are part of Christ's "church", or "ekklesia", or "called out assembly"?

If they're not (according to your misguided beliefs), then what are they a part of?
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I think we're done. I've tried to remain civilised with you ,but you seem to be unable to remain focused on the discussion without attacking. Good day .
 
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throughfaith said:
And until you explain the Good news you preach today, I.ll bid you good day .
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Thats good then you finally agree that Paul and Jesus both taught the one true Gospel (good news). They both agree 100%.

Which leads to the obvious that there is only one church/ekklesia of God's people.. as Paul teaches:


For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. (Ephesians 2).
 
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