Poll: Do "One Taken/Other Left" Verses Refer To Secret Rapture or Second Coming?

and finally the Little Horn Papacy which arose among the Ten Horns and went on to fulfill every single eschatological identifying mark of the Antichrist...

I don't think the Bible identifies Gabriel as Archangel..that title belongs to Michael. "Archangel" means "Ruler of the angels".

And since "Michael" means "He Who is like God", it was once a commonly accepted Biblical teaching that Jesus, the One "Who is as God" is the "Ruler of the angels" -- Jesus, Who is Almighty God in the highest sense, took the name "Michael" when He manifested Himself as an angel, just as He took the name "Jesus" when He manifested Himself as man. Again, this was once a commonly accepted Biblical teaching by many commentators, churches, scholars, etc., which many saw fully supported in Scripture.

It wasn't until the late 19th century when the Jehovah's Witnesses started shouting, "See! Jesus is just an ordinary angel! An ordinary angel!" that many churches began to distance themselves from the once popular teaching, and now today anyone who attempts to remind the modern church that it was once a commonly accept Biblical teaching, they are ridiculed, which is OK. If history has taught us anything, it's shown us that the crowd has never been right.

The Little Horn is ONE MAN. Not a religious system. That is very clear from Daniel. Even though he is called "the Little Horn", he exercises more power than all the other horns. Horns are symbols of earthly power exercised by rulers or kings. This Little Horn takes control of the whole world, but only for 3 1/2 years (42 months, 1260 days, time, times, and half a time or the dividing of time).

There are 4 Arch Angels: Michael (who was trained by Adam and given that name by Adam) , Gabriel, Raphael, Uriel. Each of them have their ministires and also have 50,000,000 angels under their command. Taken together, its 200,000,000 (coded in Revelation) which was written as: 200 thousand thousands.

Michael is the name of Adam, which means Like GOD. It was Adam who was made in the image and after the Likeness of GOD. He knew that he would be leaving Heaven so he trained Arch Angel Michael to do alot. One of which was to come and get the body of Moses. The other things i won't reveal here because these revelations are not something that i want to share where everyone can read them.

Jesus His Pre-Eminence is GOD in HIS incarnate Manifestation. HE is GOD the Son; the express image of the invisible GOD. And HE came into the earth in the shoes of two personages, the Son of GOD Adam, and the Son of Man Elijah. And this was to reveal that there is the Son of GOD, and there is the Son of Man. It was also to reveal what happened in the Garden of Eden. And to reveal what the Son of Man will do. Finally HE came in the shoes of the Son of GOD to bail Adam out of hell, by taking his place. HE revealed this when they chose Barabbas to be released. Barabbas life was saved beccause Jesus His Pre-Eminence paid the bail for his release. And Barabas means Son of GOD.

Scholars, bible ministries, bible schools and all of these things are not of GOD. Meaning, that they are not Prophets, they should not be running any schools, or givinng people degrees or certificates to preach, to have a congregation. That is why Jesus His Pre-Eminence said that ONE person will come and restore all things. And that is the same person written of in Rev 10:7, 18:4, Rev 14 and so on. This is the proof that none of those churches are the church GOD said HE would build.

I didn't challenge you to post a Wiki hit piece on how the Investigative Judgment doctrine arose...anybody can do that.

I challenged you to refute Biblically the verses that establish the solid ground doctrine of the Investigative Judgment...and a real man of integrity would either step up or shut up. Here they are:
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...e-or-second-coming.197588/page-4#post-4499176

I don't see any of that in Scripture. Are you deriving this from the Apocrypha?

I don't think the Bible identifies Gabriel as Archangel..that title belongs to Michael. "Archangel" means "Ruler of the angels".

And since "Michael" means "He Who is like God", it was once a commonly accepted Biblical teaching that Jesus, the One "Who is as God" is the "Ruler of the angels" -- Jesus, Who is Almighty God in the highest sense, took the name "Michael" when He manifested Himself as an angel, just as He took the name "Jesus" when He manifested Himself as man. Again, this was once a commonly accepted Biblical teaching by many commentators, churches, scholars, etc., which many saw fully supported in Scripture.

It wasn't until the late 19th century when the Jehovah's Witnesses started twisting this doctrine to "prove" that Jesus was not Almighty God, but nothing more than an ordinary angel, a created being, and is why their emphasis is on "Jehovah Father" (Jesus is actually the Jehovah of the OT) that many churches began to distance themselves from the once popular teaching, and now today anyone who attempts to remind the modern church that it was once a commonly accept Biblical teaching that Michael the Archangel is Jesus, they are ridiculed, which is OK. If ecclesiastical history has taught us anything, it's that the crowd has never been right.

The heads are mountains not people, Revelation 17. It is the horns on those heads that are people, ten kings.

The 7 heads/mountains are not the rulers. The horns are the rulers and the heads are WHERE they rule. This is just like the type/shadow of Pagan Rome where Caesar (type of the Antichrist) ruled over ten states with their rulers (types of the ten horns) and these ten states (kingdoms) were LOCATED on 7 hills (the 7 heads/mountains).


Obviously the 7 hills weren't an additional 7 leaders anymore than they are in Rev 13, 17.

Jesus is not Michael. That is unbiblical heresy.

Ellen G. White and 7th Day Adventism?

Ellen G. Whites claims she had "Thousands" of visions and dreams, do you actually believe that (Malarky)?

The "2,000 Visions" Fable
By Robert K. Sanders

The Adventist doctrinal explaination, Seventh-day Adventists Believe, proudly states as fact that EGW had more than 2,000 visions. The book does not say that the number is an estimate, or the source of the number.
"From 1844, when she 17, until 1915—the year of her death—she had more than 2,000 visions." Seventh-day Adventists Believe, p. 224.

Calculating the Number of Visions
Husband James White gives EGW an estimate of 100-200 visions from 1844-1868. James White wrote,

“She has probably had, during the past twenty-three years, between one and two hundred visions.” Life Incidents, 1868, p. 272.

Using James' highest estimate of 200 visions between 1844-1866, a 23 years period, would result in a yearly average of 8.6 visions. Keep this highest average of 8.6 visions a year in mind.

Arthur White comments on James White's estimate: "that this would mean an average vision once in six weeks." Variation and Frequency of the Ellen G. White Visions, p. 2.

Subtracting 1868 from 1915 the year of EGW's death is 47 years. Using James' highest estimate of visions of 8.6 x 47 years we have 404.2 visions for the 47 year period.

By adding 402.2 visions to the 200 visions we now have 602.2 visions from 1844 to 1915. Subtracting this from Arthur Whites' 2,000 visions we are missing 1397.8 visions.

White Estate's Published Record of Visions The White Estate’s own Index to the Writings of Ellen G. White, volume 3, pages 2978-2984 add up to about 188 visions for EGW.

Total visions mentioned in the Bible: 42

Ellen White's total: over 2,000

Date, Number Of Visions, EGW's Age

Year: 1844‑1850
Visions: 60
Age: 17-23

1851‑1860
27
24-33

1861‑1870
35
34-43

1871-1880
14
44-53

1881-1890
15
54-63

1891‑1900
15
64-73

1901‑1915
22
74-89

Total Visions: 188 over 71 years, 2.5 average per year—not close to 2,000 visions.

Frequency of Major Bible Prophet's Visions
Person, Years in Ministry, Visions

Person: Elijah
Years Ministry: 21
Visions: 0

Elisha
54
1

Isaiah
50
2

Jeremiah
40
2

Ezekiel
22
7

Daniel
67
4

Hosea
25
1

Joel
?
1

Amos
14
5

Obadiah
?
1

Jonah
?
1

Micah
50
1

Nahum
50
1

Habakkuk
?
1

Zephaniah
?
1

Haggai
1
5

Zechariah
5
6

Malachi
?
1

Jesus
3.5
0

John
60
1

I Agree 100%, Michael The Arch Angel Isnt Jesus Christ
Ellen G. White & 7th Day Adventism's False Doctrine

Jesus is not Michael. That is unbiblical heresy.

No.

Rev 9

15And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

16And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

Genesis 1:26

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Jude 1:9

Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee." (the lord in question here is Adam, who is the Son of GOD and lord of all the administrative heavens).


Mark 15

4And Pilate asked him again, saying, Answerest thou nothing? behold how many things they witness against thee.

5But Jesus yet answered nothing; so that Pilate marvelled.

6Now at that feast he released unto them one prisoner, whomsoever they desired.

7And there was one named Barabbas, which lay bound with them that had made insurrection with him, who had committed murder in the insurrection.

8And the multitude crying aloud began to desire him to do as he had ever done unto them.

9But Pilate answered them, saying, Will ye that I release unto you the King of the Jews?

10For he knew that the chief priests had delivered him for envy.

11But the chief priests moved the people, that he should rather release Barabbas unto them.

12And Pilate answered and said again unto them, What will ye then that I shall do unto him whom ye call the King of the Jews?

13And they cried out again, Crucify him.

The bible is written by the Law and the Prophets. Which means Moses and the Prophets. It is only the Prophets or an Apostle (which are only 12) that should train anybody up, or ordain them as pastors. A pastor cannot ordain another pastor. There is the Levitical Priesthood - which is pointing to the 12 patriarchs of the 12 tribes of Israel. Then there is the melchizadek Priesthood, which is pointing to the Prophets, the three Elijah (which ELYAH is called: The Prophet of the highest order) and Father Adam (who is Greater than the Prophet).

No one else, no matter their intentions should dive into teaching, except that person is ordained by a prophet/apostle. If this was understood, there wouldn't be all these churches; there would be one church only. Do you know GOD revealed to Apostle Peter what the church should be named? But Apostle Peter could not get that was what was revealed. Do you know where it is? Ill let you find it rather than have me tell you.

The early Protestant Reformation scholars usually identified Jesus as Michael the Archangel, such as Martin Luther, Philip Melanchthon, John Calvin, Samuel Horsely, John Bunyan, Baptist ministers like John Gill, etc. Others like Charles Spurgeon and Anglican Bishop Robert Clayton and many others, including Jewish commentators of the Bible did so, as well.

It's a good idea to check out church history and historic doctrine for yourself before calling something "heresy" that great, devout men of 'God who risked their lives for their beliefs preached and taught, right or wrong?

I see that there were many Methodist and Anglican leaders who taught this idea. Never knew that before. Can't say I agree with it, seeing that it's more speculation than anything, but thanks

All of them were wrong It is heresy to think an uncreated God could also be a created angel

None of them thought that - only JWs.

Why do you think child sacrifice is an alternate way to obtain forgiveness for sin? It is confusion.

I don't believe that (child sacrifice is an alternate way to obtain forgiveness for sin).

You mean we can't just make up claims about what others believe without thoroughly examining them first? Because that's exactly what you did when you threw all the Reformers under the bus who taught Jesus was Michael the Archangel.

Making something up (strawman fallacy) is not the same as something someone believes in being not biblically true. I shouldn't even have to explain how those things are different.

Whoever thought Jesus is Michael the archangel was wrong. Whoever thinks Jesus is Michael the archangel is wrong.