Confucianism and Marriage

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Williejay1975

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The world is not fit for us to seek marriage. Our communities (democracy) were created by Confucianism which excluded God (which we should had taught how to marry = how to have family = seed of life = secret of Christ concerning the church). So people are wild seeds which misuse others. We are to live one way and with so many people failing in so many areas that make marriage, families, not good. The probability of two people marrying that both have the good marriage philosophy is almost zero. The Bible says the angels in Heaven do not marry nor are given into marriage.
 
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Williejay1975 said:
The world is not fit for us to seek marriage. Our communities (democracy) were created by Confucianism which excluded God (which we should had taught how to marry = how to have family = seed of life = secret of Christ concerning the church). So people are wild seeds which misuse others. We are to live one way and with so many people failing in so many areas that make marriage, families, not good. The probability of two people marrying that both have the good marriage philosophy is almost zero. The Bible says the angels in Heaven do not marry nor are given into marriage.
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God ordained the union of one man and one woman and created all of the processes by which human reproduction is possible.

Now you're saying the world is not fit for us to seek marriage, citing Confucius? Confucius is either a liar or ignorant of the truth.
 
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His disciples said to Him,
“If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry.”
But He said to them,
“All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given: for there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it.”​
Then little children were brought to Him that He might put His hands on them and pray, but the disciples rebuked them. But Jesus said,​
“Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.”​
(Matthew 19:10-14 nkjv)​
 
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Williejay1975 said:
The world is not fit for us to seek marriage. Our communities (democracy) were created by Confucianism which excluded God (which we should had taught how to marry = how to have family = seed of life = secret of Christ concerning the church). So people are wild seeds which misuse others. We are to live one way and with so many people failing in so many areas that make marriage, families, not good. The probability of two people marrying that both have the good marriage philosophy is almost zero. The Bible says the angels in Heaven do not marry nor are given into marriage.
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Well hey, then marriage may not be for you. I don't know what I would do without my husband in my life. He loves me more than I love myself. He's wise, he supports me, he loves my crazy family, he prays for me. We have made so many wonderful memories together. There is no doubt in my mind that God sent him into my life when I needed a friend, someone who loved me unconditionally, and a support. I'm sorry you haven't found that in your life.
 
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Williejay1975 said:
The world is not fit for us to seek marriage. Our communities (democracy) were created by Confucianism which excluded God (which we should had taught how to marry = how to have family = seed of life = secret of Christ concerning the church). So people are wild seeds which misuse others. We are to live one way and with so many people failing in so many areas that make marriage, families, not good. The probability of two people marrying that both have the good marriage philosophy is almost zero. The Bible says the angels in Heaven do not marry nor are given into marriage.
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Scripture seems to be plain on this. So I'd use it to check my position if I were you:
1 Timothy 4

1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
 
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er...not sure what Confucious actually had to do with...democracy or marriage.

Havent you read the Analects? Its not even about that.
 
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Analects were basically about Confucious philsophy and followers becoming gentlemen and scholars and how to behave in the Chinese society of the day. He actually didnt forbid anyone from marrying.
 
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Williejay1975 said:
The world is not fit for us to seek marriage. Our communities (democracy) were created by Confucianism which excluded God (which we should had taught how to marry = how to have family = seed of life = secret of Christ concerning the church). So people are wild seeds which misuse others. We are to live one way and with so many people failing in so many areas that make marriage, families, not good. The probability of two people marrying that both have the good marriage philosophy is almost zero. The Bible says the angels in Heaven do not marry nor are given into marriage.
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Those who revived the concept of democracy and republics in the US and France looked back to Greece and Rome, maybe to a lesser extent Italy a few centuries before, and not to Confucius. What did he have to do with democracy? I do not see the connection. What country are you from? My understanding is the Confucianism is pro-family. Submitting to the emperor sounds kind in line with Confucian thought to me. Performing duties to parents and stuff like is something Confucianism emphasizes, isn't it/

I cannot really tell what you are trying to say with this post.
 
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democracy or the idea of it comes from Greece. specifically Athens.

democracy can work in a small state but larger ones become rather unwieldy and arent direct democracies, so they elect representatives and not all people get to participate in decision making (eg children dont). Most countries are a kind of mixture of aristocracy, oligarchy, monarchy and democracy.
 
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Hebrews 13:4
Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.

Proverbs 18:24
He who finds a wife finds a good thing and obtains favor from the Lord

1 Timothy 3:2 ESV
Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach

Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
1 Timothy 4:1‭-‬3

Nothing about the world has anything to do with marriage. The world has always been a wicked sinful place since the fall of Adam. It has not changed. But we are not of the world we are of Christ. Marriage is ordained by God and the ordinances of God are not void because of the condition of the world. There are many scriptures about how good and honourable marriage is. Also according to the letter to Timothy in order to be a ruler (office holder, deacon, pastor,) of the Church one must be married.
 
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Blackpowderduelist said:
Hebrews 13:4
Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.

Proverbs 18:24
He who finds a wife finds a good thing and obtains favor from the Lord

1 Timothy 3:2 ESV
Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach

Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
1 Timothy 4:1‭-‬3

Nothing about the world has anything to do with marriage. The world has always been a wicked sinful place since the fall of Adam. It has not changed. But we are not of the world we are of Christ. Marriage is ordained by God and the ordinances of God are not void because of the condition of the world. There are many scriptures about how good and honourable marriage is. Also according to the letter to Timothy in order to be a ruler (office holder, deacon, pastor,) of the Church one must be married.
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The apostles did not have to be married. There is no scripture that says an evangelist or prophet has to be married. The Bible does not say that a 'pastor or teacher' has to be married. These are spiritual gifts. Overseers must be apt to teach and are directed to pastor, but there are more qualifications besides being gifted.
 
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presidente said:
The apostles did not have to be married. There is no scripture that says an evangelist or prophet has to be married. The Bible does not say that a 'pastor or teacher' has to be married. These are spiritual gifts. Overseers must be apt to teach and are directed to pastor, but there are more qualifications besides being gifted.
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Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy for dishonest gain. And let them also be tested first; then let them serve as deacons if they prove themselves blameless. Their wives likewise must be dignified, not slanderers, but sober-minded, faithful in all things. Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well.
1 Timothy 3:2‭, ‬8‭, ‬10‭-‬12 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/1ti.3.2-12.ESV

One wife both deacons and overseers, Pastors are overseers. Deacon is the other also one wife.

I never said one single word about apostles or prophets. You put words in my mouth. Which is dishonest.
 
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Blackpowderduelist said:
Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy for dishonest gain. And let them also be tested first; then let them serve as deacons if they prove themselves blameless. Their wives likewise must be dignified, not slanderers, but sober-minded, faithful in all things. Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well.
1 Timothy 3:2‭, ‬8‭, ‬10‭-‬12 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/1ti.3.2-12.ESV

One wife both deacons and overseers, Pastors are overseers. Deacon is the other also one wife.

I never said one single word about apostles or prophets. You put words in my mouth. Which is dishonest.
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I did not say or imply that you said anything about apostles or apostles. You put words in my mouth with is dishonest... or more likely you just aren't paying enough attention and thinking through what a post might mean.

Not every post is intended as a direct disagreement. I was added further commentary. Paul's celibacy, and possibly Timothy's, are issues people bring up on this topic.

I did disagree with the idea of a 'pastor' having to be celibate. Paul wrote when addressing the idea of himself not receiving payment, who pastors a flock and does not drink of the milk of the flock. Some moderns exactly equate pastor with elder, but 'pastors and teachers' are gifts, 'elders' describes the type of people appointed to oversee, and overseer is a function in the local church. There are a number of requirements to be appointed as an overseer. The overseer may function in the pastoral gift, but that does not mean everyone with a pastoral gift is qualified to be an overseer.
 
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I dunno Willie, but y'all wrote this in your profile:


Romans 8:28 All things work out for them who constantly done good a long time.

About: I seek friendship with A FEMALE REAL (GENUINE) CHRISITAN.

uh...looks like you kinda misquoted Romans 8:28 some :unsure:
 
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presidente said:
The apostles did not have to be married. There is no scripture that says an evangelist or prophet has to be married. The Bible does not say that a 'pastor or teacher' has to be married. These are spiritual gifts. Overseers must be apt to teach and are directed to pastor, but there are more qualifications besides being gifted.
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(yawn)

We know for certain that Peter was married because he had a mother-in-law (Matthew 8:14). The apostle Paul, who was not married, asked the Corinthians whether he also did not have the right to take a believing wife (1 Corinthians 9:5), as did “the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas [Peter].” From this, we can assume that Peter was not the only one to have a wife.

BTW, the Bible does direct a church leader to have but one wife. Paul makes it plain that the norm is most likely 'married

not going to have the simple truth dragged over the coals, but you are free to 'opinionate'
 
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SophieT said:
(yawn)

We know for certain that Peter was married because he had a mother-in-law (Matthew 8:14). The apostle Paul, who was not married, asked the Corinthians whether he also did not have the right to take a believing wife (1 Corinthians 9:5), as did “the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas [Peter].” From this, we can assume that Peter was not the only one to have a wife.

BTW, the Bible does direct a church leader to have but one wife. Paul makes it plain that the norm is most likely 'married

not going to have the simple truth dragged over the coals, but you are free to 'opinionate'
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I am wonder what is in the Kool-Aid this morning with posters on this forum inventing ideas to argue with that are not in my posts.

I posted that apostles did not have to be married. I did not argue that they were all celibate. Paul was. We don't know about the rest. Timothy might have been. Maybe.
 
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