Wisdom was God’s creation before the creation?

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Was there some kind of prototype of creation before the one we know of?

Can someone please help me figure out what this guy was answering?

My question: Proverbs 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. Were the "fields" mentioned, quantum fields? Does the Bible use dust to describe atoms? Atoms to form Adam?

His answer:
Nope. Just fields, as in, you plant your wheat, corn, and veggies there.

The passage is referring to Wisdom, and essentially says that Wisdom was God’s creation before the creation. Remember that Proverbs is poetry, and unless you are a fundamentalist, you realize that it isn’t literal, was never meant to be literal, and needs to be interpreted using the cultural understandings and world-view of the writers.

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Back to me: If there was creation of humans beforehand it could explain evolution.
 
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I asked this question because the following sure feels like it is talking about a prototype.

Proverbs 8
22 The Lord possessed (created) me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
 
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I think it is hinting there was some kind of prototype of creation in God's mind.
 

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Well; it appears to me that sections of the 8th chapter of Proverbs simply
indicate that the cosmos-- all of its forms of life, matter and energy --is the
product of intelligent design.

In other words; before beginning to construct the cosmos, God thought it all
out first; and in the process, invented all the natural sciences that would
hold everything together and make it all click.
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Right, but I think it is more than that.

Did Christ experience God the Father's plan/design/wisdom before the Universe creation, in Proverbs 8:22-31? Are we being told what happened before our creation?

Is Christ the Alpha and Omega of God the Father's plan/design?

Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.
 

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Did Christ experience God the Father's plan/design/wisdom before the
Universe creation, in Proverbs 8:22-31? Are we being told what happened
before our creation?
According to John 1:1-14, Christ was a divine being before becoming a
human being.

In addition, that same passage states that Christ as a divine being spoke for
God during the creation process seeing as Greek for "the Word" relates to
spoken words rather than written words-- i.e. vocal words --which tells us
that in the dateless past, prior to the Lógos becoming a human being; his
was the voice of God heard speaking at Gen 1:3, and all that was heard
speaking thereafter.
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