ALERT: THE VACCINE MIGHT BE THE MARK OF THE BEAST

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Fact 1, you haven't taken the Covid Vaccine. So, essentially your arguing a position, that counters your actions.
Fact 2, you have not posted, any trial results of animal testing, but say it's already been debunked.
Fact 3, The Muppets are an ensemble group of comedic puppet characters originally created by Jim Henson.

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You could have read it yourself by googling "Results of animal testing Moderna Vaccine" Why haven't you? Is it because you don't want to know? Why do you want to believe a lie and do not want to check to see if it is a lie with a simple Google search? This stubborn adherence to lies and myths is worse than a virus. It threatens the soul.

From July 2020 the testing was being publicized and I remember reading it. I probably posted it in one of these threads as well.

Evaluation of the mRNA-1273 Vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 in Nonhuman Primates
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2024671?query=RP
 
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YouTube Bans Video Of Distinguished Doctor Claiming Ivermectin Is A Miracle Cure

https://banned.video/watch?id=6055679fe24379544e772505


At this point it's a spirtual war. Why would youtube ban a top doctor in the medical field, that has a mountain of evidence, to claim Ivermectin is a miracle cure?
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Google "Is Ivermectin a miracle cure" and you will find lots of information to read saying it is not and why.

The reason they took it down can probably be easily discovered within a few links. Most likely it is a violation of their policy about trying to convince people that something is a cure to COVID19 if it is not.
 
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You could have read it yourself by googling "Results of animal testing Moderna Vaccine" Why haven't you? Is it because you don't want to know? Why do you want to believe a lie and do not want to check to see if it is a lie with a simple Google search? This stubborn adherence to lies and myths is worse than a virus. It threatens the soul.

From July 2020 the testing was being publicized and I remember reading it. I probably posted it in one of these threads as well.

Evaluation of the mRNA-1273 Vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 in Nonhuman Primates
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2024671?query=RP
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You may be right or you may be wrong. I'm not a doctor to confirm or deny what it's really saying. It's like reading ahhh a medical journal. Would probably have to study this for 3 months, to figure out what it's saying.

Just want to remind you, you are promoting a drug that contains aborted baby cells in them. You also stated, you are a pastor, with readers of all ages on CC. Is this a reputation you want to promote?!?!

So, I would like to have a doctor to defend this, since I'm not qualified, to be straight honest. Either are you, so let's be realistic.

My honest opinion though, it's hogwash. Why you ask? Well.....

This is from Google, you know.......

How long does animal testing take?
The FDA estimates that, on average, it takes eight-and-a-half years to study and test a new drug before the agency can approve it for the general public. That includes early laboratory and animal testing, as well as later clinical trials using human subjects.Apr. 27, 2015

The Beginnings: Laboratory and Animal Studies | FDA


O.k. Corona Virus came out in December 1st, 2019, from what we understand, and Vaccine came out on December 14, 2020? Don't you think we should at least test a drug 5 years?!?! You know from your google searching experience? You don't see any red flags?

It certainly appears, that it didn't go through an animal testing period on average, near average, above average, or even close to average?!?! Many would agree that it's below average.......way below average, not close to average, record shattering time frame. Like operation warp speed dude!

Let's say, Rhesus Macaque was used right, like the article stated, you said, it was tested on mice? Which is it? Mice, monkey, test done in a year, that would show what exactly? In what time frame? What about long term effects? Doesn't matter right?

Your right in this though, I won't waste my time on reading why I should take a vaccine that was made in a year, with a virus with a mortality rate of 1%, made from aborted babies, that doesn't have at least an average testing period, and having my rights taken away while this happening. Not a good back drop for me being a test subject for experimental new drug. If the scenario was different in a couple factors, possibly, but not likely.

Can you tell us what denomination of church you pastor at, would like to know where your great insights are sponsored by?
 
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK24645/

Clinical testing is complex and time-consuming, averaging 14 years to complete Phase I through III testing to gain FDA approval. Sometimes, drugs will fail in clinical tests because the animal tests did not accurately predict their effects in humans. Often people wonder why it takes so long to develop a new drug and why sometimes a drug treatment (like fen-phen, which may cause heart valve damage) is not found to be dangerous until after it is sold to the public. Think about all the different possibilities that need to be explored, such as:
 
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You may be right or you may be wrong. I'm not a doctor to confirm or deny what it's really saying. It's like reading ahhh a medical journal. Would probably have to study this for 3 months, to figure out what it's saying.

Just want to remind you, you are promoting a drug that contains aborted baby cells in them. You also stated, you are a pastor, with readers of all ages on CC. Is this a reputation you want to promote?!?!

So, I would like to have a doctor to defend this, since I'm not qualified, to be straight honest. Either are you, so let's be realistic.

My honest opinion though, it's hogwash. Why you ask? Well.....

This is from Google, you know.......

How long does animal testing take?
The FDA estimates that, on average, it takes eight-and-a-half years to study and test a new drug before the agency can approve it for the general public. That includes early laboratory and animal testing, as well as later clinical trials using human subjects.Apr. 27, 2015
The Beginnings: Laboratory and Animal Studies | FDA


O.k. Corona Virus came out in December 1st, 2019, from what we understand, and Vaccine came out on December 14, 2020? Don't you think we should at least test a drug 5 years?!?! You know from your google searching experience? You don't see any red flags?

It certainly appears, that it didn't go through an animal testing period on average, near average, above average, or even close to average?!?! Many would agree that it's below average.......way below average, not close to average, record shattering time frame. Like operation warp speed dude!

Let's say, Rhesus Macaque was used right, like the article stated, you said, it was tested on mice? Which is it? Mice, monkey, test done in a year, that would show what exactly? In what time frame? What about long term effects? Doesn't matter right?

Your right in this though, I won't waste my time on reading why I should take a vaccine that was made in a year, with a virus with a mortality rate of 1%, made from aborted babies, that doesn't have at least an average testing period, and having my rights taken away while this happening. Not a good back drop for me being a test subject for experimental new drug. If the scenario was different in a couple factors, possibly, but not likely.

Can you tell us what denomination of church you pastor at, would like to know where your great insights are sponsored by?
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Your logic is flawed. You are applying testing for drugs on testing for vaccines. And you don't have to be a doctor to understand why that is not being honest.

Also your previous claim was that they did not test on animals. Now you are claiming that you can't understand the results. Whether you can understand the results or not you should at least concede that there was animal testing of the Moderna and quit passing on those false claims.

Also when talking about the Moderna there are no fetal cells used during the production of this vaccine. There are none used for any mRNA vaccine. Moderna and Pfyzer did not need any human cells to develop their vaccine.

The Johnson and Johnson does use cloned fetal cells in development.

I don't understand the reference to being a pastor. When I preach the Word of God I don't talk about vaccines at all. I preach the scriptures and exegete them.
As a person talking about vaccines to other people in conversations I would say:

1) Almost 3 MILLION have died from COVID19
2) No one who has been vaccinated has died from COVID19
3) No one has died from a vaccine.
4) No one has suffered from any severe medical problems from a vaccine out of 433 Million vaccinations.

I am just going to keep repeating this until the light turns on.

This is a conspiracy theory thread about the conspiracy theories related to vaccines. My rebuttal to those conspiracy theories belongs right here in this thread with these many Christians that read them. I have no idea what you are talking about concerning being a pastor.
 
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Your logic is flawed. You are applying testing for drugs on testing for vaccines. And you don't have to be a doctor to understand why that is not being honest.

Also your previous claim was that they did not test on animals. Now you are claiming that you can't understand the results. Whether you can understand the results or not you should at least concede that there was animal testing of the Moderna and quit passing on those false claims.

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This wasn't my claim, it was a doctor's claim, he would obviously have to respond to this accusation. Don't misquote me please.

My opinion, if drugs take 14 years on average to be approved by FDA, how can you say in 1 year proper testing was done on the Covid 19 Vaccine?

Yeah, what denomination you pastor at? I want to know.
 
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This wasn't my claim, it was a doctor's claim, he would obviously have to respond to this accusation. Don't misquote me please.


Yeah, what denomination you pastor at? I want to know.
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I am not a pastor. I am currently in bible school and work as a ministry intern. I may be a pastor soon, but not yet. I will be ordained with the Assemblies of God when my training and internship is complete.

Here's the deal. You seem to be persuaded by misinformation that is easy to fact check. I have lead you to the water, you are going to have to learn to drink by yourself.
 
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I'm conducting a pastor test on CC right now.

PennEd, what denomination church do you pastor at? I think PennEd is a pastor, please correct me, if I'm wrong.

Any one who says, he is a pastor, but won't say, what denomination he teaches from is questionable at best. If I was pastor, there would be absolutely no reason why I wouldn't share this. Straight up!
 
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I am not a pastor. I am currently in bible school and work as a ministry intern. I may be a pastor soon, but not yet. I will be ordained with the Assemblies of God when my training and internship is complete.

Here's the deal. You seem to be persuaded by misinformation that is easy to fact check. I have lead you to the water, you are going to have to learn to drink by yourself.
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You have a difficult time grasping what people are saying, so there's that.

O.k., your not a pastor. Your a student and intern. That makes so much sense! Assemblies of God intern.

Just be careful with your pastor ambitions, if you misquote me, you may misquote something from the Bible. Learning to quote the Bible is pretty important being a pastor.


James 3:1
Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.
 
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You have a difficult time grasping what people are saying, so there's that.

O.k., your not a pastor. Your a student and intern. That makes so much sense! Assemblies of God intern.

Just be careful with your pastor ambitions, if you misquote me, you may misquote something from the Bible. Learning to quote the Bible is pretty important being a pastor.


James 3:1
Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.
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This conversation is not adhering to a level of civility and maturity that I feel comfortable with and so for that reason I am out. Have a nice night. Stay safe.
 
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This conversation is not adhering to a level of civility and maturity that I feel comfortable with and so for that reason I am out. Have a nice night. Stay safe.
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Feeling is mutual!

Have you noticed any other comments in this thread that were far less civil than mine? I will quote them, if you haven't seen them.

Mine were at least fair, rational, and honest. I will post other comments that were far worse than mine, and you continued to be a part of the conversation. Just for reference you know.
 
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We've already debunked this. Did you not fact check?

Pfizer and Moderna were given approval to simultaneously test their vaccines on animals while they were conducting Phase 1 trials on humans. The vaccines were tested on mice and macaques.

“They overlapped preclinical studies with the early phases of the trials,” said Dr. William Moss, executive director for the International Vaccine Access Center at Johns Hopkins University. “In fact one of the reasons we are even talking about vaccines now just 10 months later is that some of the phases in which vaccine development normally occurs were overlapped rather than done sequentially.”
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'debunked'

leftist code for we lied, twisted the facts, hate the truth and will do anything to get the agenda to the masses while ostracizing and mocking anyone who is not being 'programmed' for the world we have envisioned

God is not mocked and every deed done in the darkness will be brought into the light
 
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  • In recent years and months, the long-held definitions of three words all changed, with immense ramifications for public health policy in the midst of COVID-19
  • WHO’s original definition of a pandemic from May 1, 2009, specified simultaneous epidemics worldwide “with enormous numbers of deaths and illnesses”; this definition was changed in the month leading up to the 2009 swine flu pandemic, removing the severity and high mortality criteria
  • COVID-19 vaccines are technically gene therapies and did not meet the definition of vaccine, until Merriam-Webster’s vaccine definition was recently changed to — conveniently — include a description of the experimental gene therapies
  • From June 2020 to November 2020, WHO changed their definition of herd immunity to imply that it’s a concept that only applies to vaccination, not naturally acquired immunity gained from prior infection
  • The implication for society is that by putting out this false information, they’re attempting to change your perception of what’s true and not true, and perverting science in the process
WHO Changed the Definition of Pandemic
What exactly is a pandemic? WHO's original definition of a pandemic from May 1, 2009, specified simultaneous epidemics worldwide "with enormous numbers of deaths and illnesses:"1,2

"An influenza pandemic occurs when a new influenza virus appears against which the human population has no immunity, resulting in several, simultaneous epidemics worldwide with enormous numbers of deaths and illness."​
This definition was changed in the month leading up to the 2009 swine flu pandemic, removing the severity and high mortality criteria and leaving the definition of a pandemic as "a worldwide epidemic of a disease."3

This switch in definition allowed WHO to declare swine flu a pandemic after only 144 people had died from the infection worldwide, and it's why COVID-19 is still promoted as a pandemic even though plenty of data suggest the lethality of COVID-19 is on par with the seasonal flu.4
 
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Vaccine Definition Changed
By referring to COVID-19 vaccines as "vaccines" rather than gene therapies, the U.S. government is violating its 15 U.S. Code Section 41,5 which regulates deceptive practices in medical claims. Per this law, it is unlawful to advertise:6

"... that a product or service can prevent, treat, or cure human disease unless you possess competent and reliable scientific evidence, including, when appropriate, well-controlled human clinical studies, substantiating that the claims are true at the time they are made."​
Further, you cannot have a "vaccine" that does not meet the definition of a vaccine. Up until recently, Merriam-Webster defined a vaccine as "a preparation of killed microorganisms, living attenuated organisms or living fully virulent organisms that is administered to produce or artificially increase immunity to a particular disease."7

COVID-19 vaccines are not conventional vaccines made with live or attenuated viruses. They're actually gene therapies. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are made with lipid nanoparticles that contain polyethylene glycol (PEG)8 and messenger RNA (mRNA).

mRNA are snippets of genetic code that carries instructions for cells to produce proteins. The definition of genetic is "relating to genes" and genes contain instructional code that tell the body what proteins to make. Therapy is the medical treatment of disease, so mRNA vaccines are very clearly gene therapy.

As noted by David Martin, Ph.D., Moderna's SEC filings9 specify and stress that the FDA considers its technology a "gene therapy technology," originally intended for cancer treatment. Its mechanism of action also confirms it to be gene therapy. The mRNA gene therapies currently being misleadingly marketed as "vaccines" turn your cells into bioreactors that churn out viral proteins to incite an immune response, and there's no off-switch.10

Conveniently, since COVID-19 "vaccines" did not meet the former definition of vaccine, Merriam-Webster's vaccine definition has recently been changed to include a description of the experimental COVID-19 gene therapies:11

"A preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious disease:​
a:an antigenic preparation of a typically inactivated or attenuated (see attenuated sense 2) pathogenic agent (such as a bacterium or virus) or one of its components or products (such as a protein or toxin)​
b:a preparation of genetic material (such as a strand of synthesized messenger RNA) that is used by the cells of the body to produce an antigenic substance (such as a fragment of virus spike protein)"​
 
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'debunked'

leftist code for we lied, twisted the facts, hate the truth and will do anything to get the agenda to the masses while ostracizing and mocking anyone who is not being 'programmed' for the world we have envisioned

God is not mocked and every deed done in the darkness will be brought into the light
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to a liberal. debunked means C N N, M S N B C, and the new york times say something is not true.

that is " debunked" to them.
 
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to a liberal. debunked means C N N, M S N B C, and the new york times say something is not true.

that is " debunked" to them.
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a very special and telling deception is going on
 
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'debunked'

leftist code for we lied, twisted the facts, hate the truth and will do anything to get the agenda to the masses while ostracizing and mocking anyone who is not being 'programmed' for the world we have envisioned

God is not mocked and every deed done in the darkness will be brought into the light
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Actually in this case "debunked" means that the New England Journal of Medicine publication from July that was available at that time, and which I myself remember reading is proof that the myth going around the internet that Moderna skipped animal testing before asking for emergency approval by the FDA has been "debunked".

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2024671?query=RP

This means that it can no longer be repeated by someone who has seen this publication without that person being guilty of lying.

You do agree with that much don't you? I mean this is a chat site and I assume people want to chat about things and concede to facts when they are convinced that something is indeed a fact.
 
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