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4ChristAlone

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DWR said:
Some seem to imply that there understanding is based on many years of study and you disagree because of a lack of study.
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It makes sense that our understanding come out of the time we might spend as a workman in the word, and a disciple who has spent 40 years giving themselves wholly to the word could have a little advantage over another who hasnt give a years time to the same. Regardless, the time invested still doesnt mean that they are always correct about all things. If I used myself as an example I have over 25 years but I have very little confidence in my understanding of revelation. I can be warry of those who more confident based on my own inability to trust any discernment I think I have when it comes to feeling a thing out concerning that. I know my own limitations and I pray to better understand and that God bring into my life others who might be stronger then I am in whatever area I am lacking.

There is the basic know it all too, they can be annoying.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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Agreed.
Not much more cringe, than that.
You should check out a YouTube channel called, "fighting for the faith".
 
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Eric_Nicholas

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I heard an interesting red flag, today. One said a believer does not need a Bible, instead the Holy Spirit will get us through.

Don't need God's Word, huh? That is quite lofty reflection of one's condition and a surefire prescription for blasphemy. I cannot tell you how angry that made me.
 
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Live4Him

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Nehemiah6 said:
And date-setting is out of the question.
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That depends upon what you mean by "date-setting".

There definitely are places in scripture where an event is given as a starting point for "date-setting".
 
tribesman

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Red flags - Mayday
There's gotta be
a better way.
Red thanks - massgraves
red liars
always get their say..
 
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Runningman

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DWR said:
Red flags usually mean danger.

Often when speaking to others about Bible truths, they say things that set off a red flag warning in my mind.
Same is true when I read what some post on this forum.
This is most often true when people speak about about end time events.

Some things that set off a red flag are-----
"God revealed it to me."
"God told me."
"God showed me in a dream."
"God gave me the gift of discernment."
"I have spent 40 years studying."
And one of my favorites---
"This verse is a spiritual alluding to."

1 Corinthians 14:33 "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace"

But I see people who make the claims I mentioned above who can never agree on when or what will happen in the future.
Someone must be wrong, and most likely ALL are wrong.

When people make these claims, I tend to ignore all they say.
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The Olivet Discourse and Revelation end times prophecies correspond directly to real world events. Jesus revealed these things to His followers who later wrote it down in the Bible. It's a revelation directly from God.

We can discern end times events using the Bible as our compass and it isn't wrong to make an effort to do so.

It is not extra-Biblical prophecy to match what Jesus said with what is happening in the world. Actually, He told us to watch out and keep watch.

Matthew 24:4
4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

Matthew 24:25
25Behold, I have told you before.

Matthew 24:33
33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Matthew 24:42
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

While I agree with some of what you said, we should be careful heeding any extra-Biblical prophecy, but God absolutely does reveal things to people still and that's Biblical.
 
Lanolin

Lanolin

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DWR said:
Red flags usually mean danger.

Often when speaking to others about Bible truths, they say things that set off a red flag warning in my mind.
Same is true when I read what some post on this forum.
This is most often true when people speak about about end time events.

Some things that set off a red flag are-----
"God revealed it to me."
"God told me."
"God showed me in a dream."
"God gave me the gift of discernment."
"I have spent 40 years studying."
And one of my favorites---
"This verse is a spiritual alluding to."

1 Corinthians 14:33 "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace"

But I see people who make the claims I mentioned above who can never agree on when or what will happen in the future.
Someone must be wrong, and most likely ALL are wrong.

When people make these claims, I tend to ignore all they say.
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Red Flags to me mean Canada, or Tonga, or China.

A black flag means a pirate ship, and a yellow flag apparently means this ship is under quarantine.
 
Nehemiah6

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Live4Him said:
There definitely are places in scripture where an event is given as a starting point for "date-setting".
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I am referring to modern date-setting, which has failed over and over again. For example the Millerites set two dates and when the event failed to happen, things did not go well, and led to the Great Disappointment.

"The Millerite Movement is best known for its prediction of Christ’s coming to be 1843 and later revised to October 22, 1844. The very core of this movement was the anticipation for the soon coming of Christ. They were not the only group to look forward to this event but it became of paramount interest to the Millerites, as they had a set date for Christ’s second return. As the Second Great Awakening grew more mindful of Christ’s second coming, so did the Millerite Movement. The story of William Miller is one which climaxes in his desire to share about Christ’s immediate return and the Great Disappointment. The result is the Adventist church we have today. The Seventh-day Adventist Church today still reflects the roots it had in the Second Great Awakening. "

https://phdessay.com/millerite-movement-in-the-second-great-awakening-of-american-history/

On the other hand the prophecy of Daniel's 70 weeks of years came from God, and did involve specific dates. Yet people argue over whether Daniel's 70th week has been fulfilled because they do not carefully study that prophecy. Had it been fulfilled, we would already be in the New Heavens and the New Earth.
 
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throughfaith

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" Jesus said to us ....."
" Jesus died for his people "
" I'm going to read from the Niv "
 
Lanolin

Lanolin

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hmm

ok My mind doesnt go 'red flag' this person but I can tell by the general self-righteous tone of some posts that some posters really dont like to be crossed.

Even if its like the cross of Jesus.

When someone has a contrary view maybe its that BOTH are wrong perhaps both are only partly right.

Im only really ignoring someone who just thinks they are right ALL THE TIME. There are some people who, for some unknown reason, think this way and can get very irate when you go, hang on....how bout seeing things from my perspective for a change?
Its like its MY way or the highway. Get out everyone Im gonna run you over kind of thing.

Not christlike at all I would say. also apostle Paul ok he was an apostle right and had all these revelations and went to the third heaven and everything but even he couldnt boast of all the things revealed to him. Why because God doesnt want us to boast about how super spiritual WE might be. really we are nothing without Him.
 
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throughfaith

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" if we could only get back to the Church in the book of Acts "
 
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StevenRachui

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DWR said:
Red flags usually mean danger.

Often when speaking to others about Bible truths, they say things that set off a red flag warning in my mind.
Same is true when I read what some post on this forum.
This is most often true when people speak about about end time events.

Some things that set off a red flag are-----
"God revealed it to me."
"God told me."
"God showed me in a dream."
"God gave me the gift of discernment."
"I have spent 40 years studying."
And one of my favorites---
"This verse is a spiritual alluding to."

1 Corinthians 14:33 "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace"

But I see people who make the claims I mentioned above who can never agree on when or what will happen in the future.
Someone must be wrong, and most likely ALL are wrong.

When people make these claims, I tend to ignore all they say.
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PREACH IT!
 
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Live4Him

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Nehemiah6 said:
On the other hand the prophecy of Daniel's 70 weeks of years came from God, and did involve specific dates.
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Yes, and if we're aware of the prophesied events which act as trigger points to other prophesied events and the timeframes/timelines given, then we can accurately assess what is coming in the future once the trigger points have been triggered.

For example:

Daniel chapter 9

[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
[25] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

If we start with the trigger point of "the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem", a date that is given us in both scripture and by a secular historian, and then calculate forward 69 weeks (literally 69 sevens, or 69 seven year periods, or 483 years), then that takes us precisely to the time when "Messiah was cut off, but not for himself" or precisely to the time of Christ's crucifixion.

Nehemiah6 said:
Yet people argue over whether Daniel's 70th week has been fulfilled because they do not carefully study that prophecy. Had it been fulfilled, we would already be in the New Heavens and the New Earth.
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I think that the primary problem is that many professing Christians don't carefully/prayerfully study prophecy at all. Instead, they seem to just parrot whatever somebody else told them.

Anyhow, if Daniel's 70th week had already been fulfilled, then Christ would have already returned, and the saints would have glorified bodies.

As far as the new heavens and the new earth are concerned, they don't come until the end of Christ's Millennial Reign, which itself is triggered by Christ's second coming (Rev. 19:11):

Revelation chapter 20

[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
[11] And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation chapter 21

[1] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
 
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DWR

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Live4Him said:
That depends upon what you mean by "date-setting".

There definitely are places in scripture where an event is given as a starting point for "date-setting".
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But one must be very careful that what they believe is a starting point truly is.
 
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DWR

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4ChristAlone said:
It makes sense that our understanding come out of the time we might spend as a workman in the word, and a disciple who has spent 40 years giving themselves wholly to the word could have a little advantage over another who hasnt give a years time to the same. Regardless, the time invested still doesnt mean that they are always correct about all things. If I used myself as an example I have over 25 years but I have very little confidence in my understanding of revelation. I can be warry of those who more confident based on my own inability to trust any discernment I think I have when it comes to feeling a thing out concerning that. I know my own limitations and I pray to better understand and that God bring into my life others who might be stronger then I am in whatever area I am lacking.

There is the basic know it all too, they can be annoying.
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Time spent in study does not always lead to greater understanding.
An example---
I spent my life in the construction business.
Many time I had workers with only a few years experience that had greater skills and knowledge than those with many more years experience.

I know and have known believers new to the faith with much more knowledge than some that had many years of Bible study.
Many study to learn while others study to PROVE what they believe.
 
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Live4Him

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DWR said:
But one must be very careful that what they believe is a starting point truly is.
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Agreed, but the Bible gives us many clear starting points.

For example:

Matthew chapter 24

[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
[16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
[17] Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
[18] Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
[19] And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
[20] But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Here, the trigger point is "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place", and here is what Daniel said in relation to the same:

Daniel chapter 9

[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The "he", contextually, is the antichrist. Furthermore, this whole prophecy was given to Daniel in relation to "thy people and upon thy holy city" (Dan. 9:24) or in relation to the Jews and the city of Jerusalem.

With such being the case, we should be looking for the antichrist to confirm a covenant with the Jews/Jerusalem for "one week" or 7 years out of which will come a rebuilt Jewish temple. For the first 3 1/2 years of this "week", we should expect the temple sacrifices and oblations to be in effect because the antichrist will cause them to cease "in the midst of the week" or at the midway point of this 7 year period of time. It is at this midway point when the antichrist, "for the overspreading of abominations shall make it desolate", or when he shall set up "the abomination which makes desolate".

Again, Daniel said:

Daniel chapter 11

[31] And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

It's the same exact scenario.

"The sanctuary of strength" or the coming third Jewish temple will ultimately be "polluted" when the antichrist "takes away the daily sacrifice, and places the abomination that maketh desolate" within it.

Again, this is precisely what Jesus was referring to when he said:

Matthew chapter 24

[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
[16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
[17] Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
[18] Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
[19] And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
[20] But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

"The abomination of desolation" will eventually "stand in the holy place" or within the coming Jewish temple in Jerusalem. This is why Jesus specifically mentioned "them which be in Judaea". "Judaea" is the region that was given to the tribe of Judah by inheritance, and it includes Jerusalem. Furthermore, as I've already documented, this "abomination" is set up "in the midst of the week" or in the middle of the 7 year timeframe which begins when the antichrist confirms a covenant with the nation of Israel, and it is at this mid-way point that the "great tribulation" actually begins. There are MULTITUDES of professing Christians WORLDWIDE who insist that "the great tribulation" is a period of 7 years, but it is not. Instead, it is a period of 3 1/2 years, and it is precisely this 3 1/2 year period of time that Jesus was referring to when he mentioned how "those days should be shortened". In other words, if the tribulation went beyond this timeframe, then all Christians would be wiped out.

Again, Daniel said:

Daniel chapter 12

[11] And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Just more of the same.

The sacrifice in the coming Jewish temple "shall be taken away" at the midway point of Daniel's 70th week "and the abomination that maketh desolate shall be set up". What follows is 1290 days or approximately 3 1/2 years.

Again, IF we know what Daniel actually said in relation to the setting up of "the abomination that maketh desolate", THEN, AND ONLY THEN, can we properly understand what Jesus said and meant in his Olivet Discourse.

This is but one example of why we need a working knowledge of the Old Testament scriptures BEFORE we can properly understand much of what is written in the New Testament.

Hopefully, this makes sense.
 
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Live4Him

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DWR said:
Time spent in study does not always lead to greater understanding.

I know and have known believers new to the faith with much more knowledge than some that had many years of Bible study.
Many study to learn while others study to PROVE what they believe.
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Sad, but oftentimes so, so true.
 
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DWR

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Live4Him said:
Agreed, but the Bible gives us many clear starting points.

For example:

Matthew chapter 24

[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
[16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
[17] Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
[18] Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
[19] And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
[20] But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Here, the trigger point is "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place", and here is what Daniel said in relation to the same:

Daniel chapter 9

[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The "he", contextually, is the antichrist. Furthermore, this whole prophecy was given to Daniel in relation to "thy people and upon thy holy city" (Dan. 9:24) or in relation to the Jews and the city of Jerusalem.

With such being the case, we should be looking for the antichrist to confirm a covenant with the Jews/Jerusalem for "one week" or 7 years out of which will come a rebuilt Jewish temple. For the first 3 1/2 years of this "week", we should expect the temple sacrifices and oblations to be in effect because the antichrist will cause them to cease "in the midst of the week" or at the midway point of this 7 year period of time. It is at this midway point when the antichrist, "for the overspreading of abominations shall make it desolate", or when he shall set up "the abomination which makes desolate".

Again, Daniel said:

Daniel chapter 11

[31] And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

It's the same exact scenario.

"The sanctuary of strength" or the coming third Jewish temple will ultimately be "polluted" when the antichrist "takes away the daily sacrifice, and places the abomination that maketh desolate" within it.

Again, this is precisely what Jesus was referring to when he said:

Matthew chapter 24

[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
[16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
[17] Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
[18] Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
[19] And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
[20] But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

"The abomination of desolation" will eventually "stand in the holy place" or within the coming Jewish temple in Jerusalem. This is why Jesus specifically mentioned "them which be in Judaea". "Judaea" is the region that was given to the tribe of Judah by inheritance, and it includes Jerusalem. Furthermore, as I've already documented, this "abomination" is set up "in the midst of the week" or in the middle of the 7 year timeframe which begins when the antichrist confirms a covenant with the nation of Israel, and it is at this mid-way point that the "great tribulation" actually begins. There are MULTITUDES of professing Christians WORLDWIDE who insist that "the great tribulation" is a period of 7 years, but it is not. Instead, it is a period of 3 1/2 years, and it is precisely this 3 1/2 year period of time that Jesus was referring to when he mentioned how "those days should be shortened". In other words, if the tribulation went beyond this timeframe, then all Christians would be wiped out.

Again, Daniel said:

Daniel chapter 12

[11] And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Just more of the same.

The sacrifice in the coming Jewish temple "shall be taken away" at the midway point of Daniel's 70th week "and the abomination that maketh desolate shall be set up". What follows is 1290 days or approximately 3 1/2 years.

Again, IF we know what Daniel actually said in relation to the setting up of "the abomination that maketh desolate", THEN, AND ONLY THEN, can we properly understand what Jesus said and meant in his Olivet Discourse.

This is but one example of why we need a working knowledge of the Old Testament scriptures BEFORE we can properly understand much of what is written in the New Testament.

Hopefully, this makes sense.
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I disagree the "He" in Daniel 9:27 is the anti-christ.
The anti-christ is not mentioned in Daniel 9.
To properly use the pronoun "he" it must refer to someone previously identified.
 
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DWR

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Live4Him said:
Agreed, but the Bible gives us many clear starting points.

For example:

Matthew chapter 24

[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
[16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
[17] Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
[18] Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
[19] And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
[20] But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Here, the trigger point is "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place", and here is what Daniel said in relation to the same:

Daniel chapter 9

[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The "he", contextually, is the antichrist. Furthermore, this whole prophecy was given to Daniel in relation to "thy people and upon thy holy city" (Dan. 9:24) or in relation to the Jews and the city of Jerusalem.

With such being the case, we should be looking for the antichrist to confirm a covenant with the Jews/Jerusalem for "one week" or 7 years out of which will come a rebuilt Jewish temple. For the first 3 1/2 years of this "week", we should expect the temple sacrifices and oblations to be in effect because the antichrist will cause them to cease "in the midst of the week" or at the midway point of this 7 year period of time. It is at this midway point when the antichrist, "for the overspreading of abominations shall make it desolate", or when he shall set up "the abomination which makes desolate".

Again, Daniel said:

Daniel chapter 11

[31] And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

It's the same exact scenario.

"The sanctuary of strength" or the coming third Jewish temple will ultimately be "polluted" when the antichrist "takes away the daily sacrifice, and places the abomination that maketh desolate" within it.

Again, this is precisely what Jesus was referring to when he said:

Matthew chapter 24

[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
[16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
[17] Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
[18] Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
[19] And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
[20] But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

"The abomination of desolation" will eventually "stand in the holy place" or within the coming Jewish temple in Jerusalem. This is why Jesus specifically mentioned "them which be in Judaea". "Judaea" is the region that was given to the tribe of Judah by inheritance, and it includes Jerusalem. Furthermore, as I've already documented, this "abomination" is set up "in the midst of the week" or in the middle of the 7 year timeframe which begins when the antichrist confirms a covenant with the nation of Israel, and it is at this mid-way point that the "great tribulation" actually begins. There are MULTITUDES of professing Christians WORLDWIDE who insist that "the great tribulation" is a period of 7 years, but it is not. Instead, it is a period of 3 1/2 years, and it is precisely this 3 1/2 year period of time that Jesus was referring to when he mentioned how "those days should be shortened". In other words, if the tribulation went beyond this timeframe, then all Christians would be wiped out.

Again, Daniel said:

Daniel chapter 12

[11] And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Just more of the same.

The sacrifice in the coming Jewish temple "shall be taken away" at the midway point of Daniel's 70th week "and the abomination that maketh desolate shall be set up". What follows is 1290 days or approximately 3 1/2 years.

Again, IF we know what Daniel actually said in relation to the setting up of "the abomination that maketh desolate", THEN, AND ONLY THEN, can we properly understand what Jesus said and meant in his Olivet Discourse.

This is but one example of why we need a working knowledge of the Old Testament scriptures BEFORE we can properly understand much of what is written in the New Testament.

Hopefully, this makes sense.
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You say that in Matthew 24:15 holy place refers to a new Jewish temple.
If the Jews build a building, call it a temple, and begin to practice what they call worship that continues to reject Jesus as the Messiah, would that really be a Holy Place?
 
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