How to be Born Again

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FreeGrace2

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tribesman said:
And already explained in that post about the "gifts of the Spirit" counter-argument. If you cared to read it. Yes, it is a gift of the Spirit that ALL believers have and that INSTANTLY manifest itself at regeneration.
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So, instantly, huh? What about the commands for believers to NOT grieve (Eph 4:30) or quench (1 Thess 5:19) the Spirit.

How is either of those an "instant manifestation" of the Spirit?
 
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throughfaith said:
Nonsense..he receives the Holy Spirit . We literally read he recieves the Holy Spirit . And your like " yeah he was already regenerated " So he was born again twice ??
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That wasn't regeneration. He was regenerated way before that, else he couldn't please God.
 
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I do think people forget something

We can not earn salvation, But we can earn condemnation.

We are saved by grace, period. But we can reject grace.

It is not that we are saved BY faith, We are not. But that we are NOT saved by rejecting the grace gift.

He who believes is not condemned. But he who does not believe is condemned ALREADY.

It is rejection in unbelief that condemns a person.
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No. Man is born condemned. It isn't earned. It is inherited. Romans 5:12-19


At the moment one believes in Christ for salvation, Jesus gives them eternal life. John 3:15,16, 5:24.

And then Jesus said, in John 10:28, "I give them (believers) eternal life, and they shall never perish."


Again, no, everyone is born condemned. John 3:18, 2 Thessalonica 2:12.

It is those who "have not believed" that are condemned. That means they never believed.

Once belief, never to perish.
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Jesus paid the penalty of sin for all

yes your born condemned, but in the end, you are condemned because you rejected grace,
 
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throughfaith said:
Garbage . It Just says they can't PLEASE God in the flesh . But it PLEASES God to save those that Beleive . Problem solved.
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One cant believe if they in the flesh. Cant you read Rom 8:8. Faith pleases God read Heb 11:6
 
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And where in these verses does it say that the unregenerate have an ability of making "a free will choice" to "accept" Jesus?
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And where in the word does it say a person can be made alive while remaining unjustified? Basically alive while still in sin?
 
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That's the Cart before the horse.

Scripture makes it clear:

Romans 10:9 “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” King James Version (KJV)
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One cant do that in the flesh. Rom 10:9 is describing the regenerate.
 
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brightfame52 said:
One cant believe if they in the flesh. Cant you read Rom 8:8. Faith pleases God read Heb 11:6
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Oh? Abraham did, as did david, as have all OT saints,

in fact, I believed while I was still in the flesh as Christ led me down the path through the narrow gate
 
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brightfame52 said:
One cant do that in the flesh. Rom 10:9 is describing the regenerate.
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Nope

he is describing how those who are dead in Christ are made alive, for by grace we hav been saved through faith..
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
You need to read the next chapter, v.14. It is Peter's explanation of why he visited Cornelius' house.

" He will bring you a message through which you and all your household will be saved.’" Future tense there.

It is simply impossible that Cornelius was saved BEFORE Peter's preaching.


Acts 11:14 refutes your opinion.

v.35 doesn't say Cornelius was saved. It simply recognizes that Cornelius believed that God existed and sought Him (Heb 11:6 - And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.)
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Cornelius was regenerated and a righteous man. A person in the flesh cant please seek God Rom 8:8
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Oh? Abraham did, as did david, as have all OT saints,

in fact, I believed while I was still in the flesh as Christ led me down the path through the narrow gate
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Abraham and David and all the OT Saints were born again or they could not have pleased God Rom 8:8
 
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brightfame52 said:
That wasn't regeneration. He was regenerated way before that, else he couldn't please God.
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Where is that taught in the Bible? I know where it is taught outside of the Bible.

Eph 2:5 equates regeneration (being made alive) with salvation (have been saved). So, they go together. Can't have one without the other.

And Eph 2:8 says salvation is by grace THROUGH FAITH. That proves that faith MUST BE PRESENT for salvation, and therefore, regeneration.

This isn't even debateable. The 2 verses are quite clear.

To argue this is to argue against the Bible.
 
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brightfame52 said:
Cornelius was regenerated and a righteous man. A person in the flesh cant please seek God Rom 8:8
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Huh, you really don't pay attention. Acts 11:14 proves that Cornelius wasn't saved before Peter came to visit and preach to him.

Why do you argue against the Bible?

Eh 2:5 equates regeneration with salvation. They go together. Cornelius was regenerated WHEN he believed the gospel message and received the Holy Spirit.
 
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brightfame52 said:
That wasn't regeneration. He was regenerated way before that, else he couldn't please God.
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No he wasn't, the scriptures say that he received the Holy Spirit in Acts 10/ 11 . Was that just for show?
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.( Rom 8 )
 
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brightfame52 said:
That wasn't regeneration. He was regenerated way before that, else he couldn't please God.
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Was Paul regenerated prior to Acts 9 ? He believed God ,was blameless in the law ,from the tribe of Benjamin ect ? Why was Cornelius regenerated ( according to you ) and Paul not .. Paul was at least a Jew .
 
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brightfame52 said:
One cant believe if they in the flesh. Cant you read Rom 8:8. Faith pleases God read Heb 11:6
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It doesn't say they can't believe. No where says this.

God is pleased to save those that believe, not cause belief in those he saves. (1 Cor. 1:21; Rom. 10:9-10)
You don't have any verse that directly SAYS what you believe. That should alarm you .
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
Huh, you really don't pay attention. Acts 11:14 proves that Cornelius wasn't saved before Peter came to visit and preach to him.

Why do you argue against the Bible?

Eh 2:5 equates regeneration with salvation. They go together. Cornelius was regenerated WHEN he believed the gospel message and received the Holy Spirit.
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A righteous man is saved. Acts 10:22
And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.
 
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throughfaith said:
No he wasn't, the scriptures say that he received the Holy Spirit in Acts 10/ 11 . Was that just for show?
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.( Rom 8 )
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Yes he was born again ! And he belonged to Christ Why you think Christ sent Peter to him to preach to him, to feed His Sheep.
 
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throughfaith said:
Was Paul regenerated prior to Acts 9 ? He believed God ,was blameless in the law ,from the tribe of Benjamin ect ? Why was Cornelius regenerated ( according to you ) and Paul not .. Paul was at least a Jew .
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Not talking about Paul. Did Paul fear God before Acts 9 ?
 
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