Do agnostics go to hell?

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Scarlett7297 said:
Do agnostics go to hell?
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My "broken record" message is always the same . . . the only kind of person that goes to hell is the one who has not turned to Christ for His Spiritual Circumcision. This is the point of the Bible. Without Colossians 2:9-15, there is no reason for the Bible to have been written, or for anything to have been created at all. Without the Circumcision of Christ, hell seems to be the only option for those who have not undergone that Holy Operation of Faith.
 
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TheIndianGirl said:
Where does it say that agnostics after another chance after death? This is not the traditional view.
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No souls perish in hell, they are just tormented....the same as on Earth really....just on Earth we have a “body” that records our works for rewards in Heaven or works that send us to hell.

The “work” we do for the gift of salvation is to believe in the ONLY Savior Jesus Christ.

Those in hell will need to do the same....believe in the “work” that Jesus Christ did for them to be saved and call upon His Name, even from the very lowest pit of hell.

ONLY Jesus Christ can cross the great chasm of Heaven and Hell and deliver souls from hell. Hallelujah!!!

His Blood and Body transcends even to the pits of hell, not just Earth dwellers!!! Hallelujah!! :love:(y)
 
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Not so, we need The Holy Spirit to teach us. What you learned is what man taught you.

Open your heart and mind, do NOT let pride interfere; ask the Holy Spirit to teach you The Word of God....He is The Spirit of Truth, there is NO error in Him.
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I gave you God's Word, the source of eternal truth especially concerning the after-life.
 
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I gave you God's Word, the source of eternal truth especially concerning the after-life.
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Upon death, souls are judged to determine if the “work” of Salvation is recorded in their body.....that they believed and received the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ the ONLY Savior.

If they TRULY believed, then they were sealed with the Holy Spirit and are escorted into Paradise where they see and embrace Jesus Christ face to face...pure love.

Jesus Christ knows if a person is His or not. The Judgement Seat of Christ....He knows those that belong to Him and those that don’t.

Those that are truly saved go to Paradise and those that are not saved go to hell which is a place of torment.

All souls must journey from Paradise to the Holy City of Jerusalem in Heaven...it’s a journey that is designed to restore our souls.

The restored soul will be able to enter the Holy City and enter the Temple....go all the way to the Holy of Holies where the Throne Room of God Almighty is...where our spirit is seated with Christ in heavenly places.

If our soul makes it that far, it is reunited with its spirit and abides there at The Throne ready with Christ to return to Earth with Christ to claim its body from the grave.

When Christ returns to the Earth, those souls reunited with their spirits in The Throne Room will return with Him to the Earth when The Father says, “Go, get Your Bride!”
 
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Upon death, souls are judged to determine if the “work” of Salvation is recorded in their body.....that they believed and received the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ the ONLY Savior.

If they TRULY believed, then they were sealed with the Holy Spirit and are escorted into Paradise where they see and embrace Jesus Christ face to face...pure love.

Jesus Christ knows if a person is His or not. The Judgement Seat of Christ....He knows those that belong to Him and those that don’t.

Those that are truly saved go to Paradise and those that are not saved go to hell which is a place of torment.

All souls must journey from Paradise to the Holy City of Jerusalem in Heaven...it’s a journey that is designed to restore our souls.

The restored soul will be able to enter the Holy City and enter the Temple....go all the way to the Holy of Holies where the Throne Room of God Almighty is...where our spirit is seated with Christ in heavenly places.

If our soul makes it that far, it is reunited with its spirit and abides there at The Throne ready with Christ to return to Earth with Christ to claim its body from the grave.

When Christ returns to the Earth, those souls reunited with their spirits in The Throne Room will return with Him to the Earth when The Father says, “Go, get Your Bride!”
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My goodness . . . I was on the edge of my seat reading this! Almost as intense as seeing Saving Private Ryan for the first time in the theater. :D
 
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I have a few questions for you, let's say

you call yourself a " gay Christian "

It has been years since the origin of the term "Christian" has been understood or even kept.

Is it judgment to say to one, they can not be a Christian and gay? Or is the "gay Christian" a form of truth today because "Most people" who are gay today will not abandon being gay to become a Christian?

So we change the actual meaning of the word to fit our own truth. That is what many do with the word of God today.


Most people who call themselves Agnostic today to not share the actual definition because that would be seen as unbiblical and they would not be accepted, so the secular needs to water it down. Any word today can be what I want it to be because it fits my false narrative and remove the shame of sin.

We as Christians are to judge and speak the truth in love.

There is no such thing as a gay Christian they are not saved in the sin they are saved from their sin.


Those who say they are agnostic and think it means they are half right with God but half not, is Deception.

That idea is taking people to hell in masses. Jesus said I have come to testify of the truth.

Most people who call themselves
An agnostic can have a form of godliness yet still deny the power of God.
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How bout we mind our own walk?
How about we don't assume we know
What and who God chooses

I am not a leader or pastor
I am not a man
Nor a mother

So I personally have no say in another person's life
I can pray when I see struggle
And I can address error if asked
But it is not MY job to judge
At all
 
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It is God's will that none perish. However, many will due to their personal choices. Jesus said He will knock, but the responsibility of opening the door is required of all those He calls.

"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." Rev 3:20
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Jesus in
John 6 says
The FATHER chooses
Who belongs to Christ
Not us..humans cant choose correctly
So GOD chooses
 
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Lafftur said:
All souls must journey from Paradise to the Holy City of Jerusalem in Heaven...it’s a journey that is designed to restore our souls.
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Lafftur said:
If our soul makes it that far, it is reunited with its spirit and abides there at The Throne ready with Christ to return to Earth with Christ to claim its body from the grave.
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Could you kindly show me where this is found in Scripture? It sounds closer to a purgatory type of thing.
 
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Platosgal said:
Jesus in
John 6 says
The FATHER chooses
Who belongs to Christ
Not us..humans cant choose correctly
So GOD chooses
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No, we have a choice.

Salvation is about love and love MUST ALWAYS have a choice.
 
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Lafftur said:
No, we have a choice.

Salvation is about love and love MUST ALWAYS have a choice.
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Fine, but you would need to explain these type of verses as well...

Ephesians 1:4-5 KJV
[4] According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: [5] Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
 
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Could you kindly show me where this is found in Scripture? It sounds closer to a purgatory type of thing.
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I remember someone who took a class in Revelations, and she said something along these lines. Basically, God wants to make everyone has knowledge and make sure each person has an opportunity to be saved. Basically, the only people who won't be saved are those who come face to face with Christ, and still reject. She may have said something slightly different, but that is how I remember it.
 
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Lafftur said:
No, we have a choice.

Salvation is about love and love MUST ALWAYS have
JESUS said
John 6 :65
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

It is arrogant and Absurd to empower any human over God
God chooses
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crossnote said:
Could you kindly show me where this is found in Scripture? It sounds closer to a purgatory type of thing.
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Dear crossnote,

You are loved so dearly by God and I know you love Him too! You seek truth and diligently study the scriptures but, just ask His Holy Spirit if what I posted is true or not.

Don’t rely on me or your human understanding...ask your Teacher, Comforter, and Guide.

Learn to rely on The Holy Spirit for understanding of the scriptures.

He’ll open your understanding and feed you hidden manna...deep secrets revealed to the hearts that diligently seek Jesus Christ....ones that run after God, not what man says about God.

Read and ponder the last 3 chapters of Revelation....notice...in Rev 22:14-15 there are saved souls that are not restored because they were not allowed to enter the Holy City...they are dogs, sorcerers, whoremongers, murderers, etc...

Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.
Revelation 22:14-15 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Revelation 22:14-15&version=NKJV

There is a journey of the restoring of the soul - our mind, will and emotions.

Our mind must be filled with absolute truth of The Word of God;

Our emotions must line up exactly with God’s emotions...we love what He loves and hate what He hates...we can be angry and sin not; and

Our will must line up exactly with His Will...all our choices and decisions are exactly what His Will is.

A saved soul enters Paradise but, a restored soul enters the Holy City...all the way to The Throne Room.

It sounds like God is making us like robots but, He’s not. God is making us like Him! Amazing! Wow!!! Absolutely amazing!! (y)
 
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Fine, but you would need to explain these type of verses as well...

Ephesians 1:4-5 KJV
[4] According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: [5] Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
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This promise is for ALL that CHOOSE to believe and love the Truth.

Our choices were NEVER predestined but, the consequence or result of our choices is predestinated.
 
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Irrational, Emotional, Unfactual rhetoric
is why women shouldn't teach

I go by what the Bible SAYS not what people feel it should say to fit their personal warm fuzzy comfort zone
 
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Platosgal said:
Irrational, Emotional, Unfactual rhetoric
is why women shouldn't teach

I go by what the Bible SAYS not what people feel it should say to fit their personal warm fuzzy comfort zone
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The Holy Spirit is THE BEST TEACHER OF ALL!! He is the only one I choose to listen to. :love:(y)

But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.
1 John 2:27 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=1 John 2:27&version=NKJV
 
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There’s no way to truly understand the scriptures of The Holy Bible which is God’s Written Word without The Holy Spirit which is The Revealer of The Written (and spoken) Word of God.

Understanding comes from the Holy Spirit....Jesus would speak and then say, “he who has an ear let him hear what the Spirit is saying..”
 
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So you are saying..mysticism is better then then the Bible and is more important then the words of Jesus
Humm?
Interesting
We are not in the same kingdom
I understand
 
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Hmm maybe there is room for me here after all. Lafftur seems to be allowed to say stuff that others object to

I do not need to know exactly how it all works. I'm an anti-gnostic. I simply trust and am willing to place all my trust in God and that is enough for me. just like the way in a family the child loves the mother and father so i am to love God.

my scripture includes the extra-canonical text The Odes of Solomon, in here it says "Death has been destroyed before my face, and Sheol has been vanquished by my word and eternal life has arisen in the Lord's land"
where is the celebration? where is the joy? in heaven. so let's make a piece of that appear on earth

God is mystical and biblical at the same time. If God was not mystical there would be no mysticism in religion and if God was not biblical there would be no bible. Thus as the Lord said "Seek and ye shall find"
 
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