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Aldg19

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Man! I feel like a woman! Let’s go girls!

Let's go girls
Come on!
I'm goin' out tonight, I'm feelin' alright
Gonna let it all hang out
Wanna make some noise, really raise my voice
Yeah, I wanna scream and shout
No inhibitions, make no conditions
Get a little outta line
I ain't gonna act politically correct
I only wanna have a good time
The best thing about bein' a woman
Is the prerogative to have a little fun and
Oh, oh, oh, go totally crazy
Forget I'm a lady
Men's shirts, short skirts
Oh, oh, oh, really go wild
Yeah, doin' it in style
Oh, oh, oh, get in the action
Feel the attraction
Color my hair, do what I dare
Oh, oh, oh, I wanna be free
Yeah, to feel the way I feel
Man, I feel like a woman
Girls need a break, tonight we're gonna take
The chance to get out on the town
We don't need romance, we only…
I can’t wait to be a woman of country music and bring girl power to my music like my other woman of country music that paved the way for me.
 
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It was that, now it can and sometimes is argued that with corporations wanting to show how diverse their workforce is the most discriminated against people are straight white men because they are seen as undiverse or else there are already too many of them in the company and we'd really rather hire a different type of person.
Outside of very, very few exceptions, the only people I trust are straight, white, non-effeminate men. Everyone else is some kind of protected class and is therefore in a position to sue me or accuse me of some made up thing or other. And they will win just because the straight, white men are the non-protected ones. For this reason, I would never hire a non-white. I would never hire a woman. In fact I generally don't even talk to them if I don't have to. Anonymous, online is the only place it's relatively safe for a straight, white male to interact with potential enemies. If I'm at work, eating lunch in the common area with my friends, and a woman comes to sit anywhere near us, we'll just get up and finish our lunch at our desks. All my buddies do this. What's the point? Women ruin the joy of lunch together. They're always looking to be offended and you gotta be on your guard because they'll get you fired in a heartbeat. Same with blacks, jews and gays. ANYTIME me and my buddies are together - talking, having fun, working - if a "protected class" comes anywhere near, then everyone just shuts up until they leave. No fun. No joy. No talk until they leave.

Lots of guys like me are out there. More and more everyday. There is an upside to it though - I have found that anytime I see a non-effeminate, white guy, then it's about a 90% chance that he's an ally. A brother of sorts. Do you read this and find yourself saying "But there's no war! What are you even talking about allies and enemies for?" If so, then you obviously don't get it... probably because you're in one of those protected classes.
 

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Outside of very, very few exceptions, the only people I trust are straight, white, non-effeminate men. Everyone else is some kind of protected class and is therefore in a position to sue me or accuse me of some made up thing or other. And they will win just because the straight, white men are the non-protected ones. For this reason, I would never hire a non-white. I would never hire a woman. In fact I generally don't even talk to them if I don't have to. Anonymous, online is the only place it's relatively safe for a straight, white male to interact with potential enemies. If I'm at work, eating lunch in the common area with my friends, and a woman comes to sit anywhere near us, we'll just get up and finish our lunch at our desks. All my buddies do this. What's the point? Women ruin the joy of lunch together. They're always looking to be offended and you gotta be on your guard because they'll get you fired in a heartbeat. Same with blacks, jews and gays. ANYTIME me and my buddies are together - talking, having fun, working - if a "protected class" comes anywhere near, then everyone just shuts up until they leave. No fun. No joy. No talk until they leave.

Lots of guys like me are out there. More and more everyday. There is an upside to it though - I have found that anytime I see a non-effeminate, white guy, then it's about a 90% chance that he's an ally. A brother of sorts. Do you read this and find yourself saying "But there's no war! What are you even talking about allies and enemies for?" If so, then you obviously don't get it... probably because you're in one of those protected classes.
They I guess you're falling right in line with the identity politics types since you've stopped seeing individuals and see anyone different than yourself as a potential threat. That way only leads to further polarization and societal breakdown. Gonna be an awfully miserable life if you think that everyone who is different from you is out to get you.
 
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If I'm at work, eating lunch in the common area with my friends, and a woman comes to sit anywhere near us, we'll just get up and finish our lunch at our desks. All my buddies do this. What's the point? Women ruin the joy of lunch together. They're always looking to be offended and you gotta be on your guard because they'll get you fired in a heartbeat. Same with blacks, jews and gays. ANYTIME me and my buddies are together - talking, having fun, working - if a "protected class" comes anywhere near, then everyone just shuts up until they leave. No fun. No joy. No talk until they leave.
Not all women, blacks, Jews (and probably even gays) are like that. The people you talk about just sound like jerks.

Some women, blacks and Jews can take a joke about their class without being offended. I'm not so sure about gays, 'cause I don't hang out with any. And even if I did, I wouldn't joke about something like that - too sinful to make fun of.
 
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Not all women, blacks, Jews (and probably even gays) are like that. The people you talk about just sound like jerks.

Some women, blacks and Jews can take a joke about their class without being offended. I'm not so sure about gays, 'cause I don't hang out with any. And even if I did, I wouldn't joke about something like that - too sinful to make fun of.
Yes. You're absolutely correct. But, there's so many that ARE like that, that it makes the risk/reward ratio such that it's just not worth it. I mean, I've got a great woman already. Don't need another one. So any interaction with women has very little benefit for me, but massive risk.
 
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They I guess you're falling right in line with the identity politics types since you've stopped seeing individuals and see anyone different than yourself as a potential threat. That way only leads to further polarization and societal breakdown. Gonna be an awfully miserable life if you think that everyone who is different from you is out to get you.
This is the world they've created. We're just reacting accordingly. Most of these people need me way more than I need them. I've got my friends. I've got my family. I've got my Savior. That is enough. I lack for nothing. And if they want to inflict misery on me, then at some point they will discover that's a two way street.

Identity might be a dirty word for you. But it's not. It's how the jews have survived 1000's of years of persecutions. It's how the blacks prosper in the USA. And it'll be how we survive what's coming. Shun your identity at your peril.
 

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Yes. You're absolutely correct. But, there's so many that ARE like that, that it makes the risk/reward ratio such that it's just not worth it.
How can you have an accurate perception of how many "others" are viscious antagonists if you never interact with them?
 

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How do you define treating people equally? Where are people treated more equally than Great Britain and how do you measure how equally people are treated?
The disparity of wealth is clear indication of the inequalities. You don't have to go out and be mean to people. But in policy in Action you can choose to be ignorant towards the inequalities in society for certain groups whilst happily taking care of others.
 
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How can you have an accurate perception of how many "others" are viscious antagonists if you never interact with them?
It's called pattern recognition. It's one of the basic building blocks to learning. Look for patterns everywhere you go, and in everything you do. Many truths will begin to reveal themselves.
 

cinder

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The disparity of wealth is clear indication of the inequalities. You don't have to go out and be mean to people. But in policy in Action you can choose to be ignorant towards the inequalities in society for certain groups whilst happily taking care of others.
But what exactly is unequal? There is a disparity of wealth but is that due to education, work ethic, discrimination, innate intelligence or ability, personal financial / lifestyle choices? All that to say that the existence of disparities is not in and of itself proof of unfair treatment (though I'll agree that lack of proof also isn't an excuse to not address real needs and difficulties). And we should also be wise enough to compare a nation's practices to what they were in the past when making judgments about if we're improving rather than an ideal that's never been fully implemented.

As a case in point, single parent households are likely to have lower incomes than two parent households. Is that anything society is doing to disadvantage single parents? Are they being discriminated against? Should single parents be paid twice as much for a job to bring their income up to the average two parent household income? If you have to pay the single parent twice as much for the same job is that just? Will anyone hire that single parent when they could hire 2 married people or non-parents for the cost of one single parent? Is this a disparity we should even solve or will that just erode marriage and family even further?

I'm not against helping single parents. But to try to implement social policies to redress that rather natural disparity could well cause more difficulties than actually be a help.
 

cinder

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It's called pattern recognition. It's one of the basic building blocks to learning. Look for patterns everywhere you go, and in everything you do. Many truths will begin to reveal themselves.
I excel in pattern recognition, but the only place I regularly see people behaving like you claim all others behave is on hyped up biased newscasts. Of all the women I've known I can only think of two that I would say stay away from because they'll just do their best to mooch off you and take advantage and vampire away your life and money any way they can.

As a woman I could say that all men are interested in is sex, it's a common stereotype. But there have been multiple guys that I could have friendship with that wasn't based on sex and in fact sex wasn't a part of our friendship at all. I know there are men out there who only interact with women to try to get them in bed, but I also know that's not all men because I've encountered men that are different.

My point is that (if your statements are completely accurate and not missing important context points) you have cut yourself off from any possibility of learning that you are wrong. If you refuse to interact with people based on hearsay and prejudice. That's regress not progress. And if you can't or won't talk to people then you have little choice of interaction left except to fight with them (especially after both sides retreat into their echo chambers and convince themselves that the "others" have it in for them and it's kill or be killed).
 

Lanolin

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But what exactly is unequal? There is a disparity of wealth but is that due to education, work ethic, discrimination, innate intelligence or ability, personal financial / lifestyle choices? All that to say that the existence of disparities is not in and of itself proof of unfair treatment (though I'll agree that lack of proof also isn't an excuse to not address real needs and difficulties). And we should also be wise enough to compare a nation's practices to what they were in the past when making judgments about if we're improving rather than an ideal that's never been fully implemented.

As a case in point, single parent households are likely to have lower incomes than two parent households. Is that anything society is doing to disadvantage single parents? Are they being discriminated against? Should single parents be paid twice as much for a job to bring their income up to the average two parent household income? If you have to pay the single parent twice as much for the same job is that just? Will anyone hire that single parent when they could hire 2 married people or non-parents for the cost of one single parent? Is this a disparity we should even solve or will that just erode marriage and family even further?

I'm not against helping single parents. But to try to implement social policies to redress that rather natural disparity could well cause more difficulties than actually be a help.
God does want us to help widows and orphans so I dont see having a social policy that gives them financial assistance is necessarily harmful. Its even in the Bible as one of the guidelines for 'good religion'

I supoose if widows were not able to access charity or benefits and people just left them destitute then they might be kinda forced to marry again...even if they didnt want to. Or to hustle, if they were unable to find any other kind of dignified work. Because of discrimination...?
 

Lanolin

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I excel in pattern recognition, but the only place I regularly see people behaving like you claim all others behave is on hyped up biased newscasts. Of all the women I've known I can only think of two that I would say stay away from because they'll just do their best to mooch off you and take advantage and vampire away your life and money any way they can.

As a woman I could say that all men are interested in is sex, it's a common stereotype. But there have been multiple guys that I could have friendship with that wasn't based on sex and in fact sex wasn't a part of our friendship at all. I know there are men out there who only interact with women to try to get them in bed, but I also know that's not all men because I've encountered men that are different.

My point is that (if your statements are completely accurate and not missing important context points) you have cut yourself off from any possibility of learning that you are wrong. If you refuse to interact with people based on hearsay and prejudice. That's regress not progress. And if you can't or won't talk to people then you have little choice of interaction left except to fight with them (especially after both sides retreat into their echo chambers and convince themselves that the "others" have it in for them and it's kill or be killed).
I think where battle of sexes is concerned when men and women fail each other they do tend to fall into opposing camps and take sides for all genders as if all women are meant to act the same and all men are also meant to act the same in their sinful nature.

That doesnt leave any room or possibility for Jesus power to transform anyone. In Christ, we are neither male or female, but a lot of people forget that and tend to blanket women into one group and men in another.
 

Lanolin

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Letter from James does show, a lot of things even from Bible times that poor people in poor clothes were treated badly by the rich people in rich clothing in church!

The rich were given the best seats and the poor were told to sit in a corner. Maybe the richer people dodn like the poorer people smell I dont know. What the rich people ought to have done as a kindness is given the poor people who couldnt afford fine clothes a ticket to a hot spa bath and nice robes to change into. Rather than hold their noses and say you smell.
 

cinder

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God does want us to help widows and orphans so I dont see having a social policy that gives them financial assistance is necessarily harmful. Its even in the Bible as one of the guidelines for 'good religion'

I supoose if widows were not able to access charity or benefits and people just left them destitute then they might be kinda forced to marry again...even if they didnt want to. Or to hustle, if they were unable to find any other kind of dignified work. Because of discrimination...?
I completely agree that charity and maybe even some well thought out social policies to support people to get back on their feet and make sure a life upset doesn't destroy the rest of their lives are good and necessary things. That's very different from saying that we need to make sure there's no economic disparity between the widow and the woman whose husband is still alive and that we should enact policies to enforce this. My whole line of reasoning was to demonstrate the difficulty involved in government solutions to economic issues and the need to identify and address the cause of the disparity rather than say there's a disparity between men and women and that means we aren't treating women equally.
 

Lanolin

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I completely agree that charity and maybe even some well thought out social policies to support people to get back on their feet and make sure a life upset doesn't destroy the rest of their lives are good and necessary things. That's very different from saying that we need to make sure there's no economic disparity between the widow and the woman whose husband is still alive and that we should enact policies to enforce this. My whole line of reasoning was to demonstrate the difficulty involved in government solutions to economic issues and the need to identify and address the cause of the disparity rather than say there's a disparity between men and women and that means we aren't treating women equally.
you are comparing women with other women but the other poster was comparing men with women, so I think you are both coming from different angles.

There is a huge gap between what women can earn and what men earn when they are doing the SAME type of jobs. There is also, if you are completely unaware, huge gaps in education between men and women, men were typically allowed to access higher education while women were shut out and told to stay at home. Many men are in management positions while few women are. and even a case that was reported this month in my own country, banks were treating widows unfairly and freezing their bank accounts upon their husbands death because they only dealt with the husband as if the wife had no say in the finances as a couple.