If Trump is coming back and taking over the WH as some theorists say.... why...?

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JesusWhereRU

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There have been numerous people who fought for "freedom," thinking they were serving for greater good, but freedom is only found in Heaven, and not on Earth. If you know the way is narrow, leading to the kingdom of Heaven, then you should try your best to set yourself apart from thinking like the Earthly people who think they can achieve goodness on Earth to make the world a better place by doing things that they think are right, but in fact are vanities leading to death.
well, this message is a bit too vague to be of much meaning to me... I mean, if you could explain that comment about making the world a better place... being vanity...
 

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This is the word of the Lord.

Luke 6:27-31

But to those of you who will listen, I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone takes your cloak, do not withhold your tunic as well. 30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what is yours, do not demand it back. 31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.

This is for you, Republicans. Did Biden steal the election from Trump and you? Even then, it is not for you to take the matter into your own hands to bring justice. Let God be the judge. Even Jesus did not act against his adversaries when he was here, but forgave. He said, "No servant is greater than his master." Then have the spirit of compassion.
I am not sure Jesus meant for us to always and forever turn the other cheek.

There comes a time when one must FIGHT for what is right and just. It is not right and just to have a "president" who stole the presidency..

it is not right to support (enable...) said "president" to promote more baby killing than any other president b4 him...

Jesus gave us the Our Father prayer in which we pray

God's will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven

There is no murder in Heaven. Why is there murder of the most helpless, most innocent of all here on Earth?

Because people allow it... People under the influence of Satan... which is all of us.. but some more than others..
 

JesusWhereRU

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You are mistaken.
If God did not gave Pilate authority, who did? Satan could not hurt Jesus until the time came when Judas betrayed, which mean ALL of that was designed by God himself.

And if the Jews had not become an angry mob against Jesus, He would not have been killed, meaning it was designed by God.

rovoked.
well, you are missing one very important point

We humans are NOT Jesus

Jesus knew from the beginning what He was to go through... We humans probably never REALLY find God's perfect will in THIS life... except by doing the best we can in our daily struggles to live His Word... Love others as you love yourself and etc...

No, we humans are NOT Jesus...

That said, we kind of are... KIND OF

because Jesus did say

Whatever u do to the least of My people, you do until Me

All who are the least of His people (least meaning: weak, etc) are Jesus

But that does not mean we are absolutely Jesus and nothing but Jesus.. No, we retain our human-ness, our prone-ness to sin. Jesus did not sin--EVER

Jesus is God
 

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Then there is no free will pumpkinbrea because by that statement,you are saying God has control of everyone's will??? And that scripture you used John 19:11 was told to pilate,but Pilate was not concerned with Jesus himself as much as he was scared of the peoples revolt had he not preformed the act. You are looking for a fight I see,not with me! Believe as you wish.
 

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Then there is no free will pumpkinbrea because by that statement,you are saying God has control of everyone's will??? And that scripture you used John 19:11 was told to pilate,but Pilate was not concerned with Jesus himself as much as he was scared of the peoples revolt had he not preformed the act. You are looking for a fight I see,not with me! Believe as you wish.
Brighthouse is well respected in my opinion. I don't know what's going on with this discussion, but I think people just like arguing now a days.
 
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It is not right and just to have a "president" who stole the presidency..
Then why does God give his servants tribulation? Under wicked rulers? He certainly never told you to take over nations by your own will. What if your political enemies drew guns to suppress your voices? Would you rather all rise up together and fight fire with fire? That is a Jihadic method used by old Muslims. On the contrary, we Christians must be different.
 
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Then there is no free will pumpkinbrea because by that statement,you are saying God has control of everyone's will???
No. I simply meant God is able to inspire people's will and hearts. With His Spirit. Scripture is true.
 
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t is not right to support (enable...) said "president" to promote more baby killing than any other president b4 him...
Again, God didn't and doesn't promote Biden's agendas or any evil.

But then, if you say that God raised up Trump over 4 yrs ago because He liked him, then WHY was power taken from Trump? Would you say that God failed to keep him in office because of satan? God forbid, lest God would no longer be Almighty.
 
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When Jesus died and rose again he did not change control. Who is the god of this world?? TO US believers yes it would be Jesus!! BUT to the world it is the world!! The devil!
Are you for Trump or not?

Because, @JesusWhereRU & @brighthouse98 , if you believe that all kings on Earth are raised and managed by satan, and not by God, how could then Trump have been chosen of God? Why did you vote in the first place?
 

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LOL You sure do not know your bible. In all there were 33 bad kings! Only 5 good ones in the Old Testament!! I will name some and you can see you yourself. Rehoboam- 1 Kings 11-14,Jeroboam 1st 1 Kings 12-14,Ahab 1 Kings 16,Jehu 2 Kings 3-9,Abijam 1 Kings 14-15, Ahaziah 2 Kings 1 Manasseh 2 Kings 21 You can hate Trump all you want that is your right. So did God make 33 mistakes here as well??? NO!!! He did not pick but 5.How do we know that?? By the results each King brought!( Matt 7:15-20) Since Jesus said beware then he did not send them! But yet they still came.
 

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SO!! What deeds did Trump do for us?? Lets see, Before covid, MUCH lower prices of everything! More jobs, stopping the many of the slave traffic from the border,not putting us last, but rather first in energy,and many other topics,finally made a grand statement and support on the support of Israel.

To me it is not important how he did it,but rather the results of what he did!! And Washington hated him for it! The reason? Because he showed what a common can do if he has the guts enough to do it!

Did he make some mistakes?? Who doesen't! But in his four years as much as he was hated by Those who would keep us enslaved he brought more freedom and rights to each of us! After covid,he MADE them find a cure, when everyone said it could never be done! I would say he was picked by the Lord myself, so we can add a sixth King God picked. hehe
 

JesusWhereRU

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Brighthouse is well respected in my opinion. I don't know what's going on with this discussion, but I think people just like arguing now a days.
lol

yeh, i noticed that

i used to like to argue (in a negative way) w hen I was younger... you know how young people can be... sigh..

But I began to appreciate wisdom and ever since then... well, it didn't make logical sense to me to argue with certain people, those who do not want to hear a *&^% word u say.. waste o'time
 

JesusWhereRU

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Are you for Trump or not?

Because, @JesusWhereRU & @brighthouse98 , if you believe that all kings on Earth are raised and managed by satan, and not by God, how could then Trump have been chosen of God? Why did you vote in the first place?
frankly... and this won't sound good and I'll probably get clobbered by u and others.. but frankly, I don't CARE whether Trump is himself a Christian (weak one or not)... because he DID Christian things... He did tangible things to protect the unborn... didn't just TALK about like previous R presidents..

He did things FOR America... not against.

On the other hand, Obama deliberately tried to destroy the US

yes, deliberately... and i do not s ay this lightly.. I have read numerous FACTUAL books and articles about this.

He wanted America to be brought down to the level of 3rd world countries... just bc that's what his idolized father (a drunkard who beat his numerous wives and abandoned Obama) wanted...
 

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SO!! What deeds did Trump do for us?? Lets see, Before covid, MUCH lower prices of everything! More jobs, stopping the many of the slave traffic from the border,not putting us last, but rather first in energy,and many other topics,finally made a grand statement and support on the support of Israel.

To me it is not important how he did it,but rather the results of what he did!! And Washington hated him for it! The reason? Because he showed what a common can do if he has the guts enough to do it!

Did he make some mistakes?? Who doesen't! But in his four years as much as he was hated by Those who would keep us enslaved he brought more freedom and rights to each of us! After covid,he MADE them find a cure, when everyone said it could never be done! I would say he was picked by the Lord myself, so we can add a sixth King God picked. hehe
i agree

i suppose strictly speaking, none of us will ever know until we meet God (if then) about all this current event stuff... and w hether some prominent leaders
are chosen by God or not.. I mean, I have found God quite perplexing at times... People act like they know this and that about God but ... that seems rather presumptuous (of fallen human beings)
 
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i agree

i suppose strictly speaking, none of us will ever know until we meet God (if then) about all this current event stuff... and w hether some prominent leaders
are chosen by God or not.. I mean, I have found God quite perplexing at times... People act like they know this and that about God but ... that seems rather presumptuous (of fallen human beings)
Hear hear!!
 

JesusWhereRU

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Then why does God give his servants tribulation? Under wicked rulers? He certainly never told you to take over nations by your own will. What if your political enemies drew guns to suppress your voices? Would you rather all rise up together and fight fire with fire? That is a Jihadic method used by old Muslims. On the contrary, we Christians must be different.
so if someone pulls a gun on us and we ourselves have a gun, we shouldn't use it?

sorry, not going go w/ that one...
 
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You can hate Trump all you want that is your right.
SO!! What deeds did Trump do for us?? Lets see, Before covid, MUCH lower prices of everything!
I don't CARE whether Trump is himself a Christian (weak one or not)... because he DID Christian things...
I don't hate him. I simply don't consider him as a friend bcs I don't know him personally, and I don't know his faith. Do you two know him personally to know where he truly stands? If your supports come from knowing him that well, I understand, but if not, then be warned that you've let your guard down to a stranger. Any person can appear to be your friend by merely signing an order that will help you, and be evil at heart, or have an evil intention. Such a person is called a hypocrite. Hence, such a simple action as that should not be considered as doing good or a measure of that person's faith.
 
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As for Trump though, he has stated himself that he is a friend of Bill Gates, one of the richest people on Earth, promoting vaccines, and there is no rich person that is good, nor can a true servant agree with such a one.
 
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so if someone pulls a gun on us and we ourselves have a gun, we shouldn't use it?

sorry, not going go w/ that one...
Then hear the Word of the Lord:
“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him. “For all who draw the sword will die by the sword." (mat 26:52)

If you truly believe the Word, then put your trust in the Lord instead of the things of the world. The Word is sharper than any double-edged sword, (and a bullet is not even as sharp as a sword.)

And you, willing to fight fire with fire, contrary to His commandment, believe that Trump has done Christian things? You've testified against yourself that you don't know fully the way of the Lord.
 

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As for Trump though, he has stated himself that he is a friend of Bill Gates, one of the richest people on Earth, promoting vaccines, and there is no rich person that is good, nor can a true servant agree with such a one.

all of the pro trump cheerleaders conveniently ignore things like this...