Should we support police ?

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No i'm advocating for police to focus on lawbreakers and evil people, not people who just want to modify their cars that they lawfully payed for (California).


Or people who cleaning around their own property.
You want perfection from imperfect people who interact daily with other imperfect people, in a system of governance that is entirely imperfect. You'll have to wait for the King of Kings for the perfection you seek.
 
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Exactly so my point is the system is unjust because how do we know if the courts are right or not, are they basing their opinions off of the bible ?
Fortunately there are many in judicial positions that care deeply about what the Bible says, and many do their best to rule on Biblical principles. Unfortunately there are many that don't care one bit about the Bible or God. When the King returns, all will be perfected.
 

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Instead of asking me that question, you should be asking why the police haven't stop these crimes from happening ?

"What laws do you want the police not to enforce?"

I want police to enforce just laws that make sense (rape, murdering, stealing, etc.) not enforcing mask mandates are window tint
violations.

"How will those laws make our communities safer?"

How do window tint violations make communities safer ? How does a modified exhaust make communities safer ?

"Why don't you get behind your policemen and policewomen?"

I get behind them when they do what is right.

"Give the tools and support to take action to remove the criminals from your streets. Don't tie their hands because you are afraid there may be a bad apple in the police force."

How am i supposed to give them tools to remove criminals from the streets ? And i'm not afraid of a bad cop, and simply tired of unjust systems treating people unfairly
If you want to change the law, take it up with congress. It is not the police's job to decide which laws to enforce.
 
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You've completely ignored my previous statements in that sentence.
no, I didn't.
You stated that this is something that has been going on for decades and that the police must not be doing their job. (which kind of sounds funny coming from someone who is pushing the idea of not supporting the police....)

Its important to note as to how long this has been happening. I'm pretty sure Chicago has been experiencing crime for decades, so are the police not doing their jobs ? Cuz this surely has nothing to do with BLM.

Now,because of BLM and "defund the police" things in Chicago have gotten WORSE.......
I live near the Chicago region. I read and hear things that you are not going to find on the MSN and google and all the other news sites. I hear things straight from the horses mouths (both first responders AND the general public)
I listen when someone is walking past all loud and mouthy stating "did you hear what happened to so n so? Cop ever talks that way to me I'll knock his brain out before......"

I'm not ignoring your statements, but you are very ignorant to what is CURRENTLY taking place.

The Bible talks about a lot of things that are going to happen.
Does that mean we run and hide and stick our heads in the sand now because of something that may or may not happen in our lifetime?
If I were you I wouldn't worry so much about whether or not a "christian " will be arrested for being so. There are MANY who run around calling themselves such. But I am willing to bet that when that time does come there will be many who stop calling themselves such and deny ever doing so just to avoid imprisonment.
If I were you I would stop worry about what could happen for claiming to be such and focus more on whether or not your life reflects Christ to the point that they would even consider imprisoning you for such.........
 

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I drive through a small town that has a speed trap. It is a school crossing light that flashes two hours in the morning, two hours at noon, and two hours in the afternoon. There is no visible school at the crossing and usually no one in the crosswalk when the light is flashing. It is a crossing and the speed limit is 20 MPH when the light is flashing. Every time I go through the town the local policeman has at least one car pulled over. I don't want a ticket, so I slow down. I know that there will be no one in the crosswalk, but I still slow down.

By the way. No one ticketed has ever won their case in traffic court.

It's a state law here requiring you to wear your seat belt. Get stopped without it buckled, pay your fine. You chose to break the law.

If your state has a mask mandate law, and you are cited for not wearing it. Pay your fine and continue to not wear it. If you don't like the law, or you don't think it is a valid law, don't blame the law on the police, nor your citation on the police. Take it up with the legislature and the courts. The policeman did his job whether you like it or not.

If you don't like whats happening with the crime rate in your city, give your police department the tools, manpower and support to deal with it. That support includes political leaders that don't advocate for criminals.
 

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If you don't like the law, or you don't think it is a valid law, don't blame the law on the police, nor your citation on the police.
You seem to be forgetting the COVID Gestapo who have brutally manhandled people for not wearing masks and for disregarding the COVID nonsense. So there is definitely blame for how the police have taken advantage of unconstitutional COVID laws to go full Nazi.
 

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Here's a recent example from the UK of the COVID Gestapo getting out of hand:
"In one of the videos, a man is arguing with a policeman who abruptly shoves him to the ground and proceeds to ruthlessly beat him with other officers who jumped in to assist."
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...m-day-demonstration-london-lockdowns-looming/
You're off the hinge. Those police officers exercised restraint, and the gang of protesters pushed their hate of police too far: bottle throwing, threatening lunging gesture, screaming at police and calling police nazi. Those arrested were not peaceful protesters; those arrested were agitators, hooligans, criminals.
 

Nehemiah6

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You're off the hinge.
No. Police can make arrests. Not brutalize people. And let's not forget why the protesters were there in the first place. They have been LIED TO daily by the government. And that is not just in the UK. "Freedom Day" meant "COVID Slavery Day".

'Footage of the protests was even censored from social media, prompting one outlet to suggest that the ‘conspiracy theorists might be right’.

The huge protest came after it was announced, on “freedom day”, that vaccine passports would be mandatory to enter “crowded venues” from the end of September.

In addition, the government indicated that the system would be expanded to apply not only to venues, but in workplaces, including offices.

The London protests follow similar scenes in France and Greece, where the government have announced plans to exclude the unvaccinated from society.

French President Emmanuel Macron has been forced to back down on imposing mandatory vaccine passports for entry to shopping malls after several volatile nationwide protests.

As we previously noted, while the UK government has claimed to have lifted restrictions, the use of masks and social distancing continues, as does government tracking and forced quarantines, along with the aforementioned introduction of vaccine passports. It’s the complete antithesis of freedom.
https://www.infowars.com/posts/vide...ten-and-arrested-by-police-on-uk-freedom-day/
 
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A christian IMO is basically someone who believes in God, of course there is more to it then that but i'm not gonna get into it that much.
no that is not a Christian

a Christian has accepted Christ as their Savior and believes that He died in their place on the cross for the forgiveness of their sins

this may help:

Unfortunately over time, the word “Christian” has lost a great deal of its significance and is often used of someone who is religious or has high moral values but who may or may not be a true follower of Jesus Christ. Many people who do not believe and trust in Jesus Christ consider themselves Christians simply because they go to church or they live in a “Christian” nation. But going to church, serving those less fortunate than you, or being a good person does not make you a Christian. Going to church does not make you a Christian any more than going to a garage makes you an automobile. Being a member of a church, attending services regularly, and giving to the work of the church does not make you a Christian.

The Bible teaches that the good works we do cannot make us acceptable to God. Titus 3:5 says, “He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.” So, a Christian is someone who has been born again by God (John 3:3; John 3:7; 1 Peter 1:23) and has put faith and trust in Jesus Christ. Ephesians 2:8 tells us that it is “…by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God.”

A true Christian is a person who has put faith and trust in the person and work of Jesus Christ, including His death on the cross as payment for sins and His resurrection on the third day. John 1:12 tells us, “Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.” The mark of a true Christian is love for others and obedience to God’s Word (1 John 2:4, 10). A true Christian is indeed a child of God, a part of God’s true family, and one who has been given new life in Jesus Christ.

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Of course the Courts rule in favor of evil, once again proving that the police don't work for us.
so you went from blaming the police to saying the courts rule in favor of evil

understand that the courts generally rule by whatever party put them in power
 
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well wasn't that fun :rolleyes:

a broad spectrum of blaming and confused ideology combined with a brief attempt at sounding credible

how original
 

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Jesus command was to receive the Holy Spirit, just as did He and then imparted to the twelve, and the heal, preach, deliver, raise, etc. to the point our work is finished and He takes us home to receive our reward and hear Him say "well done, good and faithful servant".
blessings
 
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No. Police can make arrests. Not brutalize people. And let's not forget why the protesters were there in the first place. They have been LIED TO daily by the government. And that is not just in the UK. "Freedom Day" meant "COVID Slavery Day".

'Footage of the protests was even censored from social media, prompting one outlet to suggest that the ‘conspiracy theorists might be right’.

The huge protest came after it was announced, on “freedom day”, that vaccine passports would be mandatory to enter “crowded venues” from the end of September.

In addition, the government indicated that the system would be expanded to apply not only to venues, but in workplaces, including offices.

The London protests follow similar scenes in France and Greece, where the government have announced plans to exclude the unvaccinated from society.

French President Emmanuel Macron has been forced to back down on imposing mandatory vaccine passports for entry to shopping malls after several volatile nationwide protests.

As we previously noted, while the UK government has claimed to have lifted restrictions, the use of masks and social distancing continues, as does government tracking and forced quarantines, along with the aforementioned introduction of vaccine passports. It’s the complete antithesis of freedom.
https://www.infowars.com/posts/vide...ten-and-arrested-by-police-on-uk-freedom-day/
I did not see any police brutality as you have alleged. Police in the video were outnumbered 100 or more to 1. Not all that were present and were exercising their right to assemble and celebrate were arrested; only the hooligans. As I previously stated: the poice exercised restraint. You have an obvious bias against police since you allege police brutality where no brutality was evident.
 
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so you went from blaming the police to saying the courts rule in favor of evil

understand that the courts generally rule by whatever party put them in power
Dude I'm saying the police uphold an unjust system.... That's it.
 
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RaceBoy

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no that is not a Christian

a Christian has accepted Christ as their Savior and believes that He died in their place on the cross for the forgiveness of their sins

this may help:

Unfortunately over time, the word “Christian” has lost a great deal of its significance and is often used of someone who is religious or has high moral values but who may or may not be a true follower of Jesus Christ. Many people who do not believe and trust in Jesus Christ consider themselves Christians simply because they go to church or they live in a “Christian” nation. But going to church, serving those less fortunate than you, or being a good person does not make you a Christian. Going to church does not make you a Christian any more than going to a garage makes you an automobile. Being a member of a church, attending services regularly, and giving to the work of the church does not make you a Christian.

The Bible teaches that the good works we do cannot make us acceptable to God. Titus 3:5 says, “He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.” So, a Christian is someone who has been born again by God (John 3:3; John 3:7; 1 Peter 1:23) and has put faith and trust in Jesus Christ. Ephesians 2:8 tells us that it is “…by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God.”

A true Christian is a person who has put faith and trust in the person and work of Jesus Christ, including His death on the cross as payment for sins and His resurrection on the third day. John 1:12 tells us, “Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.” The mark of a true Christian is love for others and obedience to God’s Word (1 John 2:4, 10). A true Christian is indeed a child of God, a part of God’s true family, and one who has been given new life in Jesus Christ.

source
Well I try to follow God but I still struggle with sexual sin occasionally, but I hope Jesus will forgive me when the time comes.. in the meantime I'm trying to repent. It's hard but I'm able to do it for a few days (before going back to sinning), but I'm still gonna make it through
 

shittim

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Looks like it takes more than believing, there is work involved if the demons believe and tremble by believing He is who He is and yet are not "saved".


James 2:14-26

New King James Version



Faith Without Works Is Dead
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.


blessings to all who are His.
 
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Dude I'm saying the police uphold an unjust system.... That's it.
so you say. all these unjust laws. tsk. shameful. well, perhaps you can find another country more to your liking and move there one day

Well I try to follow God but I still struggle with sexual sin occasionally, but I hope Jesus will forgive me when the time comes.. in the meantime I'm trying to repent. It's hard but I'm able to do it for a few days (before going back to sinning), but I'm still gonna make it through
I did explain what Christianity is. it's not perfection. it's not a list of dos and donts

the time for forgiveness is always 'now' perhaps if you are serious, check out the link I provided. that could be a start

anyway, I maintain what I said in post 112 so I'm going to bow out
 
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Dude I'm saying the police uphold an unjust system.... That's it.
Do you vote for your elected lawmakers? Do you know people who vote? Vote dem rascals out and get some in office that'll repeal those unjust laws. That's how you do it. Unless, of course, you're willing to band together with thousands, nay millions, of your countrymen, and pledge your lives, your fortunes, and your sacred honor to overthrow your current government and replace it with a constitutional republic that is of the people, by the people, for the people. Kinda like we here in the USA did 245 years ago.

Better yet, get to know and love our Savior and Lord more and more each day, and He will make you free indeed.
 

Billyd

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You seem to be forgetting the COVID Gestapo who have brutally manhandled people for not wearing masks and for disregarding the COVID nonsense. So there is definitely blame for how the police have taken advantage of unconstitutional COVID laws to go full Nazi.
In the US, police are supposed to enforce a law until a court overturns it. If you are cited, and don't want to pay the fine, don't pay it. Take it the proper court, and plead your case.