Has a lie crept in to our bible Does God allow demons to torment people

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Is it possible that the lies of satan have tricked people in our bible, about how God is in person

  • yes

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  • no

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  • not sure

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  • maybe

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Hi dear christian and brother and sisters around the world, I would like to dispute this matter because i feal this is the biggest missing link in our bible, to understanding scripture, and sorting out so much confussion, please also let me apolagize for any hurt this may cause you. At this moment i would like to say the bible warns us of many lies, and so for that reason there is many lies in our bible. but is there missing interpretation of those lies ?

In todays modern age as well of lot of you may know, there are endless sermons from preachers, telling us they hear the enemy wispering in there ear, trying to decieve there thoughts as well as so many christians complaining of being tormented by demons around the world, and quite a lot of christians in this very forum have opened up and told us how demons have tormented them. In a forum like this it takes courage to open up and confess you are being tormented by a demon because some people will use scripture that says God approves this but does he ?.

For some reason and im not completely sure why but christians seem to have got it into there head that a christian can be spiritualy oppressed and its not from God, but yet somehow fail to recognise that may have been happening in the bible too, where there is scripture indicating God has allowed a demon to torment someone. Hardly anybody will say quite possibly that person was being decieved in the bible.

In those times of the old testermnet where people as spiritualy aware as they are now and could they have been tricked by a decieving demon into believing they where being tormented by demons on the authority of God. ?

If scripture said in the bible for every curse written concerning a demon, i had a demon attacking me saying he was from God would you believe it ?

At this moment i am not going to apply any scripture that suggests that this is what demons do, im going to share my heart instead. We now live in an age where people are more spiritualy aware because of what Jesus did for us on the cross. I believe now the reason why people have spiritual receptors to know they are being tormented by demons is because they have recieved the holy spirit. Which is something they never had in the old testerment.


Again without quoting any scripture at this moment There are endless accounts of Jesus telling us exactly what he thought about demons, how they could decieve us and what we must do to over come there torment.

Obviously if demons revealed there true intent of a person there tormenting they wouldnt be able to get a hold on a person and bring there lie into the world or rule a person. Again im not going to post any scripture at the moment that clearly suggest demons need a person to be in fear to rule them but share my heart.

The fear of death would have been more frightening in acient times and something we all have to go through. Thankfully modern day hospitals can ease the pain when the race we run in life is coming to an end in this world. We can die in a more gracefull state of mind. Thankfully to not as many people are forced into decissions theese days on the bases of being killed if they dont. but in the old days the a lot of those deaths people suffered to force a new law was brutal in acient times. I feal strongly that the fear of death is a big reason why people believe in haste, where by the wrong perception is believed in a hurry and out of panic.
perhaps this is also a favorite plot from demons.

One scripture im going to apply at this moment spoken from Jesus to a demon was Get away from me i never knew you. This is hardly fitting with God allowing demons to torment people as that would suggest Jesus does know them and interacts witht them on a personal bases. I have many more perspectives on this based on scripture by Jesus that anything that suggests God allows demons to torment people is a false miss repersentation of God by a demon. Demons in my oppinion have assainated the character of God the father God the son and our holy spirit in our bible.
In your last paragraph you are inferring " God allows" as your basis of your position.
 
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well that answers the whole lot then, nice attempt of another derail there.
i am doing what you are doing and everyone else in here.

Stop trying to generalize everything
 

de-emerald

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Yes, God allowed it. Jesus was addressing Peter as having human and not Godly concerns.
whos repersentation was was this. who was talking to simon. was it luke ? and wasnt luke saying satan is trying to seperate you from God by tempting you ? does that not mean God has no part in this ?
 
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dont try to establish just one a point of view that answers this whole thread, and dont derail this thread with a so what, if your not willing to discuss on this thread with manners, i would kindly ask you to leave. or i will put you on 1 weeks ignor.
YOU SAID..." God allows"

But you dont like anyone bringing you into your position?????
 
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You can answer the questions if you want to, or you can shoot me with one of those arrows and say absolutely to me all day long. im having a disccussion with @Gideon300

If you want to answer the questions that i asked @Gideon300 do so. if you want to ignore them and bait me with a loaded question to answer them thats your choice to. there honest questions that need an honest answer, befor we can discuss Job 1, theres no point in discussing Job 1 if where singing from a different hymn book.
Nobody is stopping you
 

de-emerald

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i am doing what you are doing and everyone else in here.

Stop trying to generalize everything
look you quoted a post that was for @Gideon300 originaly with a baited question and now youve well and truly deflected from it. im not going to carry on with theese games. last chance either take part in a dicussion in a friendly manner or dont last chance
 

Mem

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In the account of Job, God allow Satan control of any and all natural consequent, all that is temporal. He withheld His allowance for the taking of his life, a power limited exclusively to God, the giver of life. So then, I think it is reasonable to conclude that one can only give, or take, own's own possession of life, but no one other than God can neither, in all reality, give or take it. So, going on the account of Job alone, the power of life (and death) is the only thing God would never allow complete control of to any other, especially since He now has the keys...
 
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In the account of Job, God allow Satan control of any and all natural consequent, all that is temporal. He withheld His allowance for the taking of his life, a power limited exclusively to God, the giver of life. So then, I think it is reasonable to conclude that one can only give, or take, own's own possession of life, but no one other than God can neither, in all reality, give or take it. So, going on the account of Job alone, the power of life (and death) is the only thing God would never allow complete control of to any other, especially since He now has the keys...
In part, that is the point.
The "God allows" dynamic is way too broad.

Iow what in the universe did God not allow?
 

1ofthem

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I tried to read the OP, but the multitudinous spelling and usage errors made it too irritating to continue. How hard is it to spell correctly? Doesn't anyone use a dictionary anymore? Even the thread title is badly flawed; it's two distinct questions written as one sentence, with no intervening punctuation.

Please, de-emerald, put a little effort into learning to write the English language properly. If nothing else, read your Bible, and emulate what you find written therein.
Please get off your high horse and stop attacking others for spelling and grammar mistakes. If you cannot or do not want to read something...then don't.

Your post is uncalled for and nasty. Not everyone is distinguished in writing.

God's not grading anyone on spelling and grammar. He is, however, examining our hearts.

So please put away your red grading pen and take a closer look at the red letters in the KJV Bible... the words Jesus spoke. If nothing else, at least try to emulate the behavior you find written therein.
 

Mem

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In part, that is the point.
The "God allows" dynamic is way too broad.

Iow what in the universe did God not allow?
right, considering everything is comes through Him, and to Him, and...
 
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look you quoted a post that was for @Gideon300 originaly with a baited question and now youve well and truly deflected from it. im not going to carry on with theese games. last chance either take part in a dicussion in a friendly manner or dont last chance
I have not in the least attacked you.
My position is concept vs concept.

Your op is "God allows"

Yet you get all hurt when pressed ABOUT YOUR OWN OP?
 

de-emerald

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Ill post the question again this time to everyone in this thread. @Absolutely @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman, Now firstly befor you answer this question your welcome to not answer and your welcome to answer. and lastly thankyou also so much for parcitipating in this thread so far. This is the first question of many more to come. This thread is by no means over and your welcome to take part even if we do have a difference of oppinion. your welcome to challenge my views for ever more.

Ok let me post Job 1 first
Satan Tests Job
1 There was a man named Job, living in the land of Uz,[a] who worshiped God and was faithful to him. He was a good man, careful not to do anything evil. 2 He had seven sons and three daughters, 3 and owned seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, one thousand head of cattle, and five hundred donkeys. He also had a large number of servants and was the richest man in the East.
4 Job's sons used to take turns giving a feast, to which all the others would come, and they always invited their three sisters to join them. 5 The morning after each feast, Job would get up early and offer sacrifices for each of his children in order to purify them. He always did this because he thought that one of them might have sinned by insulting God unintentionally.
6 When the day came for the heavenly beings[b] to appear before the Lord, Satan[c] was there among them. 7 The Lord asked him, “What have you been doing?”
Satan answered, “I have been walking here and there, roaming around the earth.”8 “Did you notice my servant Job?” the Lord asked. “There is no one on earth as faithful and good as he is. He worships me and is careful not to do anything evil.”
9 Satan replied, “Would Job worship you if he got nothing out of it? 10 You have always protected him and his family and everything he owns. You bless everything he does, and you have given him enough cattle to fill the whole country. 11 But now suppose you take away everything he has—he will curse you to your face!”
12 “All right,” the Lord said to Satan, “everything he has is in your power, but you must not hurt Job himself.” So Satan left.
Job's Children and Wealth Are Destroyed
13 One day when Job's children were having a feast at the home of their oldest brother, 14 a messenger came running to Job. “We were plowing the fields with the oxen,” he said, “and the donkeys were in a nearby pasture. 15 Suddenly the Sabeans[d] attacked and stole them all. They killed every one of your servants except me. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
16 Before he had finished speaking, another servant came and said, “Lightning struck the sheep and the shepherds and killed them all. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
17 Before he had finished speaking, another servant came and said, “Three bands of Chaldean[e] raiders attacked us, took away the camels, and killed all your servants except me. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
18 Before he had finished speaking, another servant came and said, “Your children were having a feast at the home of your oldest son, 19 when a storm swept in from the desert. It blew the house down and killed them all. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
20 Then Job got up and tore his clothes in grief. He shaved his head and threw himself face downward on the ground. 21 He said, “I was born with nothing, and I will die with nothing. The Lord gave, and now he has taken away. May his name be praised!”
22 In spite of everything that had happened, Job did not sin by blaming God.


Ok so according to this scripture satan said to God in heaven in a private meating

9 Satan replied, “Would Job worship you if he got nothing out of it? 10 You have always protected him and his family and everything he owns. You bless everything he does, and you have given him enough cattle to fill the whole country. 11 But now suppose you take away everything he has—he will curse you to your face!”


And occording to the scripture God gave satan authority to test Job. to strip him of everything he had to see if Job would curse God. (question does anyone find this a bit odd ?.)

12 “All right,” the Lord said to Satan, “everything he has is in your power, but you must not hurt Job himself.” So Satan left.

Now to the questions and please do answer theese questions for me.

Fistly if we disagree its not a problem to me.

But firstly who is explaining the story of Job 1 here, whos account is it. and secondly who is this story being told to ?

2 who struck the cattle with lightening Question (Did God give satan the abiity to use Gods lightening to kill the cattle.)

3, How did the Sabeans come to kill Jobs servants, Question did satan possess them sabean people ? and did God allow that too ?

4 who caused the storm that killed Jobs children ? Question Did God Give satan the authority to command Gods weather and create a storm to Kill Jobs Children.

5 How can you believe the story of Job is accurate account of what God allows.

6 How can you believe a word satan says in this Job 1 story ?.
 

de-emerald

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Job 1:9-11
9 Satan replied, “Would Job worship you if he got nothing out of it? 10 You have always protected him and his family and everything he owns. You bless everything he does, and you have given him enough cattle to fill the whole country. 11 But now suppose you take away everything he has—he will curse you to your face!”

I can tell you 1000 percent that what you are hearing here written in Job 1:9-11 is from a pure evil spirit. when i say pure i mean 1000 percent pure evil i know how they act and speak and i have locked eyes with them. What would Jesus say to this temptation, because thats what your reading above, Your reading satan tempting God, Would Jesus go along with this, would anyone here go along with this. would anyone entertain this type of company.

Aparently when we go to the next verse it says God falls for this temptaion and go along with it,
12 “All right,” the Lord said to Satan, “everything he has is in your power, but you must not hurt Job himself.” So Satan left.

Can everyone be sure that is a correct repersentation Of God ?. And whos account of God is Job 1. is it Job whos doing the writing ?

Jesus said to satan do not put the lord our God to the test and and get away from me.
 

Dino246

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Please get off your high horse and stop attacking others for spelling and grammar mistakes. If you cannot or do not want to read something...then don't.

Your post is uncalled for and nasty. Not everyone is distinguished in writing.

God's not grading anyone on spelling and grammar. He is, however, examining our hearts.

So please put away your red grading pen and take a closer look at the red letters in the KJV Bible... the words Jesus spoke. If nothing else, at least try to emulate the behavior you find written therein.
Thanks for caring enough to share.
 

Ahwatukee

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Do not test the bored, your mod.
I wasn't testing. I was putting in filler. You guys should put in an option that allows us to cancel a post if we decide that we don't want to follow through with it. I put the test up there because I decided that I did not want to put in my original post and had to put something in the space, otherwise it will show up the next time I try to post in addition to the posters information.
 

Mem

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I wasn't testing. I was putting in filler. You guys should put in an option that allows us to cancel a post if we decide that we don't want to follow through with it. I put the test up there because I decided that I did not want to put in my original post and had to put something in the space, otherwise it will show up the next time I try to post in addition to the posters information.
Kind sir Ahwatukee, your post struck me as funny, and even if only coincidentally, fittingly appropriate for the topic of conversation which includes an implied suggestion that testing is akin to tempting and helps to illustrate the albeit slight but nonetheless difference, if nothing else, between testing Job and testing God. I had an afterthought to add a funny emoji but it took me 8 minutes to realize that I should in case my play on the words was missed:unsure:.
Fear not, for I am with you. Be not dismayed, for I am your mod. I will strengthen you, Yes, I will help you... :love:
 

Mem

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Thanks for caring enough to share.
Thank you for caring to ask that readers' time be considered valuable enough to take even a little extra effort in preserving.