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Okay. Maybe it's pre-wrath then. To be honest, I'm still not sure, so I try to keep all options open.
Just be careful because Pre-Trib is an idol to many and they know how to twist scripture for the idol to stand.

You therefore, stand strong in the Lord and in His Word - Do not add or take away.........
 

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I'm not sure it is clearly stated. But some sort of rapture does make sense, as God doesn't judge His own people with the unbelievers (look at Lot, look at Noah, look at Exodus). I think the best passages giving evidence of it are below (also the imagery in Revelations), but I concede there is much that can be interpreted in different ways.

Matthew 24:36 - 43
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
This is probably worth at least $100. Of course, it's not my money to give away. I tried to cash in earlier and apparently I was disqualified. Neglected to read the small print. Offer void where prohibited by law.
 

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Nobody addressed you relationship with Christ - That is called twisting words. Go get as many shots as you can so that we can know how it affects you.
I said what I've seen you do. You did that just within the last few pages with another poster (Aidan). I just don't understand why you're incapable of having a fruitful discussion without making personal projections. It reminds me of the Black Lives Matters movement... if you dare question why they believe/do some things, they project and vilify you. Why address the legitimate questions when you can just sling mud to those that disagree with you? That is their mo. Apparently you have found that approach quite attractive.
 

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Nobody addressed you relationship with Christ - That is called twisting words. Go get as many shots as you can so that we can know how it affects you.
We had another troll on here once called Scribe. I warned him not to get the shots. He was boasting that he'd be fine, that he'd prayed about it and all. I said come back in 3 months and say you're fine... But he didn't come back in 3 months... I am thinking maybe he wasn't fine.
 

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We had another troll on here once called Scribe. I warned him not to get the shots. He was boasting that he'd be fine, that he'd prayed about it and all. I said come back in 3 months and say you're fine... But he didn't come back in 3 months... I am thinking maybe he wasn't fine.
What happened to that guy? I remember he liked to argue :unsure:
 
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I said what I've seen you do. You did that just within the last few pages with another poster (Aidan). I just don't understand why you're incapable of having a fruitful discussion without making personal projections. It reminds me of the Black Lives Matters movement... if you dare question why they believe/do some things, they project and vilify you. Why address the legitimate questions when you can just sling mud to those that disagree with you? That is their mo. Apparently you have found that approach quite attractive.
Twisters like to twist words for their agenda - If you want to converse then respect what people say and do not twist their words or imply what they did not say.
If we accept that approach then we have peace and fellowship.
Aidan1 likes to make incorrect assumptions and attempts to invalidate truth.
 
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This is probably worth at least $100. Of course, it's not my money to give away. I tried to cash in earlier and apparently I was disqualified. Neglected to read the small print. Offer void where prohibited by law.
I like your response. Question: Who was 'taken away' and who was left in Matthew 24:36-43
 

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Twisters like to twist words for their agenda - If you want to converse then respect what people say and do not twist their words or imply what they did not say.
If we accept that approach then we have peace and fellowship.
Aidan1 likes to make incorrect assumptions and attempts to invalidate truth.
Did I twist anyone's words when I said that perhaps I'm mistaken, but mRNA vaccines don't have MRC-5 in them because they are synthetically made? Did you not respond to me posting one of your anti-vaxxer websites which doesn't even mention MRC-5 being inside the Moderna/Pfizer vaccines (mRNA vaccines)? Am I twisting anything when I replied that your website didn't contain a source stating MRC-5 is in them?

I don't mind you questioning what I believe. Just leave personal projections at the door. We aren't enemies.
 

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I like your response. Question: Who was 'taken away' and who was left in Matthew 24:36-43
My understanding is that Enoch was taken away as well as Elijah to be with the Lord so it appears that to be 'taken away' would be a good thing and perhaps desirable as well. I believe that in the instances in Matthew 24:36-43 those that were taken were probably counted as righteous by God as Abraham was also. Those not taken, for whatever reason, were left behind to fend for themselves of what was to come.
 
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I said what I've seen you do. You did that just within the last few pages with another poster (Aidan). I just don't understand why you're incapable of having a fruitful discussion without making personal projections. It reminds me of the Black Lives Matters movement... if you dare question why they believe/do some things, they project and vilify you. Why address the legitimate questions when you can just sling mud to those that disagree with you? That is their mo. Apparently you have found that approach quite attractive.
Did I twist anyone's words when I said that perhaps I'm mistaken, but mRNA vaccines don't have MRC-5 in them because they are synthetically made? Did you not respond to me posting one of your anti-vaxxer websites which doesn't even mention MRC-5 being inside the Moderna/Pfizer vaccines (mRNA vaccines)? Am I twisting anything when I replied that your website didn't contain a source stating MRC-5 is in them?

I don't mind you questioning what I believe. Just leave personal projections at the door. We aren't enemies.
PERFECT - your own words give you away = 'anti-vaxxer' and i, in His Love, gave you a website for YOUR benefit. Because i care about everyone who is considering taking the vaxx. I did not attack you - You were looking for info and i gave you a link that i said ws a 'starting point for your research'. That is love.

Right now, i care about you. Let's walk together in Christ.
 
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My understanding is that Enoch was taken away as well as Elijah to be with the Lord so it appears that to be 'taken away' would be a good thing and perhaps desirable as well. I believe that in the instances in Matthew 24:36-43 those that were taken were probably counted as righteous by God as Abraham was also. Those not taken, for whatever reason, were left behind to fend for themselves of what was to come.
Those who were taken away in Matthew 24:36-43 were 'taken away and destroyed' just as Jesus told us =
“Where, Lord?” they asked. He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.”
Luke 17:37

Why does the Rapture of Enoch and Elijah not correlate to Pre-Trib Rapture of the CHURCH? There, i just gave you the answer in the question.
 

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Did I twist anyone's words when I said that perhaps I'm mistaken, but mRNA vaccines don't have MRC-5 in them because they are synthetically made? Did you not respond to me posting one of your anti-vaxxer websites which doesn't even mention MRC-5 being inside the Moderna/Pfizer vaccines (mRNA vaccines)? Am I twisting anything when I replied that your website didn't contain a source stating MRC-5 is in them?

I don't mind you questioning what I believe. Just leave personal projections at the door. We aren't enemies.
The vaccines being distributed are not true vaccines as they do not contain a dead virus. They might be useful in fighting the virus but doesn't seem possible that these vaccines would provide immunity. Over a period of time their efficacy would tend to decline.
 
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Did I twist anyone's words when I said that perhaps I'm mistaken, but mRNA vaccines don't have MRC-5 in them because they are synthetically made? Did you not respond to me posting one of your anti-vaxxer websites which doesn't even mention MRC-5 being inside the Moderna/Pfizer vaccines (mRNA vaccines)? Am I twisting anything when I replied that your website didn't contain a source stating MRC-5 is in them?

I don't mind you questioning what I believe. Just leave personal projections at the door. We aren't enemies.
But i did not question your belief in the Lord Jesus. I followed your own words about the vaxx - that's it. PEACE to You
 

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Your immune system doesn't keep you "from catching an illness" it fights off an illness "after" you've caught it.
This is true. There are also those with a suppressed immunity system due to disease to start with and not a matter of keeping their immune system in shape. Seems that genetics plays a key role in the strength and effectiveness of one's immune system and not so much a matter of faith or of one's regimen in keeping it in shape.
 

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PERFECT - your own words give you away = 'anti-vaxxer' and i, in His Love, gave you a website for YOUR benefit. Because i care about everyone who is considering taking the vaxx. I did not attack you - You were looking for info and i gave you a link that i said ws a 'starting point for your research'. That is love.

Right now, i care about you. Let's walk together in Christ.
The website is anti-vaccine... Anti = against, vaccine = the covid vaccine. They have articles linking people taking the vaccine to the actual cause of death. I read many articles from the site you posted yesterday a week or two ago because you posted it then... If you recall, I picked a person they claimed died from the vaccine and googled him (he was a famous French singer I believe), only the cause of death was from an existing condition he had prior to covid... he just happened to have been vaccinated so they presumed it was because of the vaccine and not his leukemia.

I believe you think you're doing the right thing. And if you are, you don't need to project or make personal assumptions about anyone to make your point. If anything, it will take away from what you believe to be true.

If something is true, for example, Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God and the Savior of the world, I do not need to project or sling mud at anyone to get that point across to an unbeliever. It is not ME, the sinner in need of a Savior, that causes a heart to turn towards Christ anyways... it's the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit doesn't provoke us to sling mud so that the person accepts what we know to be true, that Jesus is Christ and Savior. If you are so confident in what you believe, rely on what you "know" to be true and stick to that.
 

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Those who were taken away in Matthew 24:36-43 were 'taken away and destroyed' just as Jesus told us =
“Where, Lord?” they asked. He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.”
Luke 17:37

Why does the Rapture of Enoch and Elijah not correlate to Pre-Trib Rapture of the CHURCH? There, i just gave you the answer in the question.
OK, probably not a good thing in this instance that Jesus was referring to in the reference that you provided. Seems like a case of sifting the wheat from the chaff. However, I do believe that Elijah being taken away in a chariot of fire was cool though. :)
 

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I think establishments should be able to make their own rules, independent of government, but if any establishment knowingly allows sick people to come in that is not only irresponsible but insane. Thankfully, I don't see anyone actually argue to let vaccinated people who are presently sick with covid to have free reign.
You could be right but how does the real world work. People get tired of asking all questions their nerves get shot. They hear someone cough they'll probably just hope it's hayfever. People don't like things that are complex. Simple way is what they'd go with. Are you vaccinated or not is the only thing they might go with.
 
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The website is anti-vaccine... Anti = against, vaccine = the covid vaccine. They have articles linking people taking the vaccine to the actual cause of death. I read many articles from the site you posted yesterday a week or two ago because you posted it then... If you recall, I picked a person they claimed died from the vaccine and googled him (he was a famous French singer I believe), only the cause of death was from an existing condition he had prior to covid... he just happened to have been vaccinated so they presumed it was because of the vaccine and not his leukemia.

I believe you think you're doing the right thing. And if you are, you don't need to project or make personal assumptions about anyone to make your point. If anything, it will take away from what you believe to be true.

If something is true, for example, Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God and the Savior of the world, I do not need to project or sling mud at anyone to get that point across to an unbeliever. It is not ME, the sinner in need of a Savior, that causes a heart to turn towards Christ anyways... it's the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit doesn't provoke us to sling mud so that the person accepts what we know to be true, that Jesus is Christ and Savior. If you are so confident in what you believe, rely on what you "know" to be true and stick to that.
Now you have me laughing because you swung mud on a brothers post that was 100% TRUTH - Yet you felt you had to attack it.

Again, ant-vaxx is hate speech, just like anti-abortion. These are labels created by those (not you) who hate God/Truth.

God and His Children are Pro-Life. This covers the sin of abortion and the sin that is in the vaxx = poison called spike proteins.
 
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OK, probably not a good thing in this instance that Jesus was referring to in the reference that you provided. Seems like a case of sifting the wheat from the chaff. However, I do believe that Elijah being taken away in a chariot of fire was cool though. :)
Yeah, that Elijah guy was in good with God.
Here is some more for you - Enoch and Elijah were the only Two in the Bible who were Raptured without seeing Death. WHY???

Let me know if you want a clue - Thanks
 
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