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Gideon300

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Rather than answer every post individually, I'd like to respond to the subject of smoking. I was raise by parents who smoke. I was in the military where smoking was normal. I was married to a smoker for 9 years, until we divorced. I see this issue from both sides.

Smoking is a natural issue, not spiritual. Charles Spurgeon is one of the most famous and influential preachers in history. He smoked cigars.

About 40 years ago I met a man that was obviously a man of God. He knew God in a way I'd never come across before. He had an amazing gift of discernment, tremendous compassion for the suffering and was always helping the poor and needy. He was also a smoker.

My first reaction was confusion. I could not imagine that a spiritual man could also smoke. I did not know about Spurgeon at the time. The Lord spoke to me the word in Matthew 15:11, then added that the words some people speak are far more offensive than the smell of cigarette smoke. I could add, far more destructive also. Life and death are in the power of the tongue, not in smoking or not.

Smoking used to be considered quite normal. In the last few decades, it's been classed as evil. Many more people have given up or never started. And how much better off are we socially? In the same time, homosexuality has become acceptable, children can decide what gender they want to be, evolution has become entrenched in the education system, the USA is becoming a generation of woke wimpy progressives and freedom of speech is being constantly eroded. The church is in decline. But oh boy, we got this smoking business licked.

Give.me.a.break.
 

tourist

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I spent some time in the military too. "LIght 'em up if you have 'em". Probably 1/2 did just that.
 

Lynx

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It is very strange that you should try to paint this as something that is okay for Christians to do...

Back in the day doctors used to prescribe cigars for people with lung ailments. "Nothing like a good stogie to clear out the pipes." But some Christians thought smoking was wrong, back when EVEN DOCTORS said it was good for you. (Christians have a habit of doing stuff like that... they saw where TV was going to be a problem, back when innocuous things like Andy Griffith Show were popular.)
 

Lynx

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I spent some time in the military too. "LIght 'em up if you have 'em". Probably 1/2 did just that.
I use that line at w*rk sometimes. We "park" customers if we don't have their orders - ask them to park in designated parking spaces and we'll run the orders out to them, in an effort to keep the line moving. If the people at the window are not parking customers the manager will holler across the store, "Park it if you don't have it!" I'll mutter, "And smoke 'em if you got 'em."
 
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It is very strange that you should try to paint this as something that is okay for Christians to do...
Not for Gideon300.
Its the "usual".

Eventually he'll come and post that....>"oh i was not trying to support smoking, you misunderstood why i made the distinction between smoking and homosexuality."""

No you didnt.
You understood him perfectly.
 

tourist

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Not for Gideon300.
Its the "usual".

Eventually he'll come and post that....>"oh i was not trying to support smoking, you misunderstood why i made the distinction between smoking and homosexuality."""

No you didnt.
You understood him perfectly.
Maybe it's a segue into transgender issues. It would be a smoking hot topic.
 

Lynx

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Maybe it's a segue into transgender issues. It would be a smoking hot topic.
*Lynx sighs and dutifully fires a "rimshot" sample from his audio tools collection.
 

Gardenias

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We are ALL different people in the eyes of God covered by his precious son's blood.

Things WE PUT BEFORE GOD are sins whether it's yourself,your spouse, children, church, job ECT.

What might be a sin in ones eye unless clearly defined in scripture may NOT be a sin to another.

Thankfully God and the Spirit know how to CONVICT each of us in a spirit of love!
 

Desdichado

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I don't think smoking is an issue as much as immoderation.

If you eat a lot, you will get fat. If you smoke a lot, your throat and lungs will go black. If you over-stimulate your ears, you will lose your hearing. Etc., Etc., Etc.
 

Lanolin

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huh

I cant imagine a preacher smoking while he is preaching. Maybe in some churches they do that?
 

Lanolin

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I think it was 'normal' in the past before all those chemicals were put into cigarettes and nicotine and before heaps of people started dying of lung cancer, then people made the connection with smoking that it wasnt good for you.

Its like how people would consime copious amounts of sugar but didnt realise it caused diabetes and tooth decay. They just didnt know.

we probably even do stuff now that will end up killing us years later from prolonged daily exposure.
 

jb

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Rather than answer every post individually, I'd like to respond to the subject of smoking. I was raise by parents who smoke. I was in the military where smoking was normal. I was married to a smoker for 9 years, until we divorced. I see this issue from both sides.

Smoking is a natural issue, not spiritual. Charles Spurgeon is one of the most famous and influential preachers in history. He smoked cigars.

About 40 years ago I met a man that was obviously a man of God. He knew God in a way I'd never come across before. He had an amazing gift of discernment, tremendous compassion for the suffering and was always helping the poor and needy. He was also a smoker.

My first reaction was confusion. I could not imagine that a spiritual man could also smoke. I did not know about Spurgeon at the time. The Lord spoke to me the word in Matthew 15:11, then added that the words some people speak are far more offensive than the smell of cigarette smoke. I could add, far more destructive also. Life and death are in the power of the tongue, not in smoking or not.

Smoking used to be considered quite normal. In the last few decades, it's been classed as evil. Many more people have given up or never started. And how much better off are we socially? In the same time, homosexuality has become acceptable, children can decide what gender they want to be, evolution has become entrenched in the education system, the USA is becoming a generation of woke wimpy progressives and freedom of speech is being constantly eroded. The church is in decline. But oh boy, we got this smoking business licked.

Give.me.a.break.
Rom 12v1,2:

I APPEAL to you therefore, brethren, and beg of you in view of [all] the mercies of God, to make a decisive dedication of your bodies [presenting all your members and faculties] as a living sacrifice, holy (devoted, consecrated) and well pleasing to God, which is your reasonable (rational, intelligent) service and spiritual worship. Do not be conformed to this world (this age), [fashioned after and adapted to its external, superficial customs], but be transformed (changed) by the [entire] renewal of your mind [by its new ideals and its new attitude], so that you may prove [for yourselves] what is the good and acceptable and perfect will of God, even the thing which is good and acceptable and perfect [in His sight for you]. [AMP]
 

Gideon300

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It is very strange that you should try to paint this as something that is okay for Christians to do...

Back in the day doctors used to prescribe cigars for people with lung ailments. "Nothing like a good stogie to clear out the pipes." But some Christians thought smoking was wrong, back when EVEN DOCTORS said it was good for you. (Christians have a habit of doing stuff like that... they saw where TV was going to be a problem, back when innocuous things like Andy Griffith Show were popular.)
I was responding to the poster's statement that smoking was worse than adultery. He put it on top of his list. The criminal records are full of cases of drunks assaulting and even murdering people. Drunks have accidents that kill and maim the innocent. Drunks abuse their wives and kids and are often unable to function at work. No one says that they had a cigarette and they were no longer able to drive safely. No one smokes, flies into a rage and kills his wife. If anything, smoking relaxes people.

When someone with a better track record than Spurgeon tells me that it affects Christians spiritually, I will listen. I won't agree, because I know better. I'm not advocating smoking. I am against the attitude that smokers are modern day lepers to be condemned and avoided.
 

seoulsearch

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Not for Gideon300.
Its the "usual".

Eventually he'll come and post that....>"oh i was not trying to support smoking, you misunderstood why i made the distinction between smoking and homosexuality."""

No you didnt.
You understood him perfectly.
Thank you for this post.

I see you were right on the money.

This was most useful in knowing how to approach and interpret future posts.
 

seoulsearch

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I was responding to the poster's statement that smoking was worse than adultery. He put it on top of his list. The criminal records are full of cases of drunks assaulting and even murdering people. Drunks have accidents that kill and maim the innocent. Drunks abuse their wives and kids and are often unable to function at work. No one says that they had a cigarette and they were no longer able to drive safely. No one smokes, flies into a rage and kills his wife. If anything, smoking relaxes people.

When someone with a better track record than Spurgeon tells me that it affects Christians spiritually, I will listen. I won't agree, because I know better. I'm not advocating smoking. I am against the attitude that smokers are modern day lepers to be condemned and avoided.
Are you a smoker?

Who has endured being seen or called a modern day leper?

And so you are calling for a more gentle view of smoking?

I'm a bit late to the thread and am just trying to discern its purpose.
 

seoulsearch

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All I can say is, there were two things that convinced me to never even pick up anything that could be smoked.

First, an older relative who died of lung cancer due to being a lifetime of heavy smoking. If I remember right, they had to break open his ribs in order to remove part of his lungs, and I remember feeling absolutely terrified just hearing my parents talk about it.

Second, I worked in a state that had one of the highest taxes on cigarettes at the time, so I grew up watching customers and co-workers spend $8-$12 a pack every day, then asking if you could buy them lunch.

Between the medical horrors and going broke paying for them, that was enough for me to never take a puff of anything.

However, I agree, we all have our vices (tying this back in to the comparison of smoking to adultery.)

Some people can't resist a pack of burning sticks. Some people can't resist another person's spouse. Some people can't resist a video game that will take up days and weeks and nights, distracting from life's responsibilities. And as for me, if you set a batch of good-quality, homemade frosted cupcakes in front of me, well, let's just say, you'd better not leave me alone with them.

No matter which way we slice it, it's all causing harm in some way, and it's all sin, and we all commit sin in some way.

While I agree that we have to be careful in not being unjust in our judgments of others, we also can't get around the fact that it's still sin and each type of sin has its own proportional consequences.
 

shittim

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We are guided to present ourselves Holy and acceptable unto Him.
We come to Him from where we are, but we don't stay there, we live to leave behind these former things.