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And how about the others who keep making very obvious false statements regarding the science and posting information from conspirarcy web sites do they have an agenda?
How about anyone? Clearly all anyone ever does anymore is sympathize with those who confirm what they think is true while ignoring everyone else. Some of the conspiracies are not helpful, but neither is a wildly unbalanced pro-vaccine stance either.

That the covid-19 vaccine has the possibility to kill and/or maim is an objective fact, this is not a conspiracy.

Even if you are a pro-vaccine person, it's just reckless to wholly endorse the vaccines without as much as an acknowledgement to the dangers.

That's the anti-Good Samaritan. When someone had a chance to warn someone of danger they didn't help them. Instead, they lured them into a false sense of safety. That's so much worse.
 

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“We are still in the midst of a pandemic, and there is no silver bullet.”

Israel vaccinated its population almost exclusively with the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, which received full FDA approval on Monday and remains the gold standard for the prevention of severe illness due to the coronavirus.
Look at this gem from the article:

“Israel will then reconfigure its Green Passports, granting them only to the triple-vaccinated, and limiting their validity to six months. In anticipation of this change, the number of unvaccinated Israelis getting their first shots has tripled since the beginning of August.”

How is it conceivably possible that people, especially Christians, simply cannot see what is going on!?
 

ZNP

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Look at this gem from the article:

“Israel will then reconfigure its Green Passports, granting them only to the triple-vaccinated, and limiting their validity to six months. In anticipation of this change, the number of unvaccinated Israelis getting their first shots has tripled since the beginning of August.”

How is it conceivably possible that people, especially Christians, simply cannot see what is going on!?
It's still not good enough, how do we know that people don't make counterfeit passports? What we need is a mark that you put on the hand (or the head if the person has lost their hand).
 
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Look at this gem from the article:

“Israel will then reconfigure its Green Passports, granting them only to the triple-vaccinated, and limiting their validity to six months. In anticipation of this change, the number of unvaccinated Israelis getting their first shots has tripled since the beginning of August.”

How is it conceivably possible that people, especially Christians, simply cannot see what is going on!?
Matthew 25: 1-13 is the answer the Lord gave to your question.
 
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You refer to 8 people surviving the judgement. I can't see how anyone can discuss Noah without discussing the fact that it was God's judgement, not on humans getting married, but on angels mating with humans. So then, how could the end of the age be like the days of Noah if you are eliminating the core issue? If there is no judgement for this core issue then it can't be like the days of Noah.
Thank you brother for the clarity of the issue
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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You refer to 8 people surviving the judgement. I can't see how anyone can discuss Noah without discussing the fact that it was God's judgement, not on humans getting married, but on angels mating with humans. So then, how could the end of the age be like the days of Noah if you are eliminating the core issue? If there is no judgement for this core issue then it can't be like the days of Noah.
Where did you get the idea that I suggested humans getting married was anything to do with God's flood judgement?

Just read what Jesus said in context.
The "core issue" to you is not the point Jesus was making.
He was illustrating a warning with events well-known to his audience.
There is no need to go down a rabbit hole about angels & humans breeding.


Luke 17
26 “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.


28 “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building.P 29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.


Mathew 24
37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.


42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come
 

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Look at this gem from the article:

“Israel will then reconfigure its Green Passports, granting them only to the triple-vaccinated, and limiting their validity to six months. In anticipation of this change, the number of unvaccinated Israelis getting their first shots has tripled since the beginning of August.”

How is it conceivably possible that people, especially Christians, simply cannot see what is going on!?
I saw on a video , I cannot remember where , but Israel is working on the vaccine in a tablet form so it just gets swallowed , rather injected into the arm...
...xox...
 
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Where did you get the idea that I suggested humans getting married was anything to do with God's flood judgement?

Just read what Jesus said in context.
The "core issue" to you is not the point Jesus was making.
He was illustrating a warning with events well-known to his audience.
There is no need to go down a rabbit hole about angels & humans breeding.


Luke 17
26 “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.


28 “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building.P 29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.


Mathew 24
37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.


42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come
The Word uses marriage for this purpose: Marriage signifies to the Husband and Wife a New Beginning and a Bright FUTURE ahead. FUTURE offspring LIFE CONTINUES as it is - all things continue....

This is the emphasis for using Marriage in the scripture - When they least expect it JUDGEMENT is COMING - No FUTURE for the unsaved

Eternal Marriage is ONLY for His Bride and He is Coming back for HER ONLY.
 
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How about anyone? Clearly all anyone ever does anymore is sympathize with those who confirm what they think is true while ignoring everyone else. Some of the conspiracies are not helpful, but neither is a wildly unbalanced pro-vaccine stance either.

That the covid-19 vaccine has the possibility to kill and/or maim is an objective fact, this is not a conspiracy.

Even if you are a pro-vaccine person, it's just reckless to wholly endorse the vaccines without as much as an acknowledgement to the dangers.

That's the anti-Good Samaritan. When someone had a chance to warn someone of danger they didn't help them. Instead, they lured them into a false sense of safety. That's so much worse.

Why do those who are not "anti Covid vaccine" need to post information on risk/benefit of the vaccine, every single medical intervention has potential side effects, that is a given.

The point is the partial information, misinformation, complete false information by those who are strongly "anti Covid vaccine" that is the problem.

It is far from objective and even handed, the real data is not on their side therefore they cannot use it.

The fact is the vaccine has saved lives far above having caused death even if we were to accept direct causation.

You do not want the vaccine that is your choice but stick to the facts.

To say that vaccinated people will be dead in five years is just another streeeetch and cannot be supported by medical science but is used to support the Cabal Theory of "mass de-population."

Of course this is theory of last resort since people who are vaccinated are not dying en mass so now we need to say it is coming in five years.

Is the vaccine perfectly able to stop infection, NO and it is obvious that Israel is learning that lesson, yet anyone who has studied any tiny bit of science knows that the understanding of the reality of "science" evolves.

And @Ann-Marie was correct this is now the pandemic of the unvaccinated, those who are vaccinated have taken the risk for the benefit of all that is her point, so really who is the good Samaritan?
 

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Where did you get the idea that I suggested humans getting married was anything to do with God's flood judgement?

Just read what Jesus said in context.
The "core issue" to you is not the point Jesus was making.
He was illustrating a warning with events well-known to his audience.
There is no need to go down a rabbit hole about angels & humans breeding.
Noah is a story about God's judgement because of angels and human breeding. If you remove that from the story it is no longer like the days of Noah. We have had numerous floods and natural disasters. Many people have made boats. Noah is not a story about a man making a boat, nor is it a story about natural disasters. It is a story about God judging the earth because angels committed an abomination by breeding with men. That is the story. Noah found grace in the eyes of God so God rescued him, but rescued him from His judgement on the sin of Angels breeding with humans. Remove that from the story and it is not like the days of Noah.
 
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The fact is the vaccine has saved lives far above having caused death even if we were to accept direct causation."[/QUOTE]

Exactly. But it almost seems like some people's nature is to create a problem to the solution and not a solution to a problem:

Freedom? oh you don't want to shut down? wear masks? social distance? Ok.... here's the vaccine! Oh what? you don't want to take it?

Funny that at least in my trade... the same people don't mind how heavily regulated it is, because so many people are scared of flying.
 
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The fact is the vaccine has saved lives far above having caused death even if we were to accept direct causation."

People need to protect their minds and hearts from those conspiratorial web sites it changes the wiring in the brain, very sad, they

need to be deprogrammed but do not even know it.
 

ZNP

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The fact is the vaccine has saved lives far above having caused death even if we were to accept direct causation.
The fact in Israel is that after six months of being "fully vaccinated" it is not "saving lives".

The fact is we cannot say what the long term effects of the vaccine are. This is why the normal process for approving a vaccine takes 12 years.

The fact is corona virus mutates and there is absolutely no chance that the vaccine or the booster shots will confer anything more than temporary protection for a few months.

The fact is that we have effective treatments for Covid and Covid is not that deadly.

The fact is that natural immunity is better than the immunity from the vaccine.

The fact is that people who are vaccinated are telling others what to do whereas those who are not vaccinated are not telling anyone not to get vaccinated.

The fact is that Fauci is a liar, he has caused tens of thousands of Americans to die from this, and he funded the creation of this virus.
 
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People need to protect their minds and hearts from those conspiratorial web sites it changes the wiring in the brain, very sad, they

need to be deprogrammed but do not even know it.
Somebody compared the freedom from taking the vaccine or not to smoking and other health hazards. You can't smoke inside a building anymore... You're kicked to the outside if you light a cigarette... So um, yeah and people are mad for not being let inside if they're not vaccinated? Well people (like me) don't want unvaccinated people spreading this thing to our kids or others if they are immunocompromised.
 
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Where did you get the idea that I suggested humans getting married was anything to do with God's flood judgement?

Just read what Jesus said in context.
The "core issue" to you is not the point Jesus was making.
He was illustrating a warning with events well-known to his audience.
There is no need to go down a rabbit hole about angels & humans breeding.


Luke 17
26 “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.


28 “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building.P 29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.


Mathew 24
37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.


42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come
The Word uses marriage for this purpose: Marriage signifies to the Husband and Wife a New Beginning and a Bright FUTURE ahead. FUTURE offspring LIFE CONTINUES as it is - all things continue....

This is the emphasis for using Marriage in the scripture - When they least expect it JUDGEMENT is COMING - No FUTURE for the unsaved
Eternal Marriage is ONLY for His Bride and He is Coming back for HER ONLY.

Now add this context to "As in the Days of Noah" - the Sons of God took for themselves as wives the daughters of men"

God created Adam and Eve for the purpose of walking with Him and producing Godly Offspring - This is the Purpose of Marriage.
When the Lord Returns, as in the Days of Noah, there will be men and women with the Mark being given in marriage.
This will only produce UNGODLY Offspring = 'as in the Days of Noah' - No repentance No forgiveness only Judgment upon them.
 

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Somebody compared the freedom from taking the vaccine or not to smoking and other health hazards. You can't smoke inside a building anymore... You're kicked to the outside if you light a cigarette... So um, yeah and people are mad for not being let inside if they're not vaccinated? Well people (like me) don't want unvaccinated people spreading this thing to our kids or others if they are immunocompromised.
You've got that backwards. If you choose to smoke knowing how deadly it is you still have that option. Likewise if you choose to get vaccinated knowing how deadly that is you have that option.

People who choose not to get vaccinated are likened to people who choose not to smoke.
 
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The fact in Israel is that after six months of being "fully vaccinated" it is not "saving lives".

The fact is we cannot say what the long term effects of the vaccine are. This is why the normal process for approving a vaccine takes 12 years.

The fact is corona virus mutates and there is absolutely no chance that the vaccine or the booster shots will confer anything more than temporary protection for a few months.

The fact is that we have effective treatments for Covid and Covid is not that deadly.

The fact is that natural immunity is better than the immunity from the vaccine.

The fact is that people who are vaccinated are telling others what to do whereas those who are not vaccinated are not telling anyone not to get vaccinated.

The fact is that Fauci is a liar, he has caused tens of thousands of Americans to die from this, and he funded the creation of this virus.
And no data to support any of this, just a narrative.
 

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What makes you think that you know more/better about the vaccine than Trump though? I get you appreciate the 4 years he gave us, heck, I am too. He was better than Hillary, that's for dang sure. But why would you and a small alt-right group of people think yall know more about this vaccine than Trump, Cruz, Graham, Abbott, etc... These are people that champion freedom and have a track record of going against tyranny. Why is it that they are all so misinformed but YOU got it right?
I make my healthcare decisions by and for myself. Period. I could care less what Trump, the CDC or anyone else says....and uttery ignore their emotional pleas or demands.

Only a fool is prone to be herded like sheep according to the will of an UNSAVED WORLDLY person and not his own free soverign will....in Christ Jesus.
 
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Somebody compared the freedom from taking the vaccine or not to smoking and other health hazards. You can't smoke inside a building anymore... You're kicked to the outside if you light a cigarette... So um, yeah and people are mad for not being let inside if they're not vaccinated? Well people (like me) don't want unvaccinated people spreading this thing to our kids or others if they are immunocompromised.
Any company that feels the need to invade my privacy so that I can give them my money has lost my business. I will take my money elsewhere.

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