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flygplan

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Someone can't prevent what is beyond their control, such as catching a virus, but taking a vaccine is a conscious and deliberate risk. A vaccine can cause deadly side effects.

If you encourage an otherwise healthy person to get vaccinated and they get hurt from it then their blood is on your hands, there's nothing that embodies the spirit of a good Samaritan in doing so.

If I tell someone to not get a vaccine, and let nature take it's course, then it's no fault to me since viruses are an unavoidable risk we take for living on Earth. See the difference there?
If you watch any medication commercial you can see almost every one of those will have deadly side effects. Yet they're still prescribed. :) In this case telling people that "let's let nature take it's course" and not do anything to prevent it should also be of fault to you, if you use the same logic.
 
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If you watch any medication commercial you can see almost every one of those will have deadly side effects. Yet they're still prescribed. :)
When big pharma started advertising to the general public via commercials, I was shocked at the audacity. Yes, they are prescribed. Just follow the money. I worked for a company that "prescribed" certain medications because the pharma company paid us to recommend them. Seriously sinister.
 
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If you watch any medication commercial you can see almost every one of those will have deadly side effects. Yet they're still prescribed. :) In this case telling people that "nature taking it's course" and not do anything to prevent it should also be of fault to you, if you use the same logic.
Accepting the negative side effects of a vaccine because most medicines have negative side effects is not a reason to take a vaccine. That's like prescribing someone cigarettes to help them cope with stress, but we don't do that do we? What you're using is a logic flaw known as a red herring.
 
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well yea but sometime.It like saying they fell a bridge because of the meds
 
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such as catching a virus,
One can most certainly prevent catching a virus, there are various mitigation measures one can do.

It is not a question of deliberate risk but whether it is a sizable risk and the scientific evidence is that it is not a sizable risk as compared to actually contracting the virus.

Perhaps you are young and think you are safe, have a healthy immune system but you really do not know with any certainty what your body's response will be, it is one of the least understood systems in the body.

that embodies the spirit of a good Samaritan in doing so.
Other cultures would disagree, you are using the American optics on this issue.

prescribing someone cigarettes to help them cope with stress, but we don't do that do we?
We sometimes do, cigarettes/nicotene has been shown through various clinical studies to help lessen the symptoms of colitis (often connected with stress), working to reduce inflammation, although it is not completely understood in medicine at the biological level why this happens yet.

And yes some doctors who are aware of the studies will discuss this with their patients.

This virus is here to stay, and no this is not an end of the age event.
 
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There are a lot of reasons why people don't want to take the vaccine...fetal cells, government tyranny, side effects, the mark, etc.

However, if someone is not taking the vaccine due to dangerous side effects, logically speaking they would not take other medications as well because of dangerous side effects.
 

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Yes. I agree with you for the most part, however, vaccines/boosters have never proven to be what helps the virus mutate, it's just biology, the strongest strands persist and are harder to get rid of, and viruses do mutate so they can adapt to hosts. Bacterial illnesses might resist to medicine to antibiotics. But this is not the case with how vaccines work.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/pfizer-bourla-covid-19-vaccine-resistant-variant-likely-emerge

Other experts feel it may speed up the emergence of the vaccine resistant variant. Our government is trying to defeat it but it may need to accept this is part of life. In less we all want to live for every new vaccine for our security blanket, then we best learn to breathe open air again.
 
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flygplan

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If you watch any medication commercial you can see almost every one of those will have deadly side effects. Yet they're still prescribed. :)
Accepting the negative side effects of a vaccine because most medicines have negative side effects is not a reason to take a vaccine. That's like prescribing someone cigarettes to help them cope with stress, but we don't do that do we? What you're using is a logic flaw known as a red herring.
You have the choice of accepting or not the side effects. This doesn't mean there won't be restrictions in the foreseeable future because of your decision.
 

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Someone can't prevent what is beyond their control, such as catching a virus, but taking a vaccine is a conscious and deliberate risk. A vaccine can cause deadly side effects.
If you encourage an otherwise healthy person to get vaccinated and they get hurt from it then their blood is on your hands; there's nothing that embodies the spirit of a good Samaritan in doing so.
If I tell someone to not get a vaccine, and let nature take it's course, then it's no fault to me since viruses are an unavoidable risk we take for living on Earth. See the difference there?
I see a double standard.
 

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Israel has proven that we must be prepared to live with the virus. Many experts believe it will become a endemic and return every year. So in less people want a vaccine booster or a new vaccine every 6 months to a year, we best just accept viruses are part of the world.

Israeli authorities have opted for a model they are calling “living with corona.”
It is not going away until NATURAL immunity is achieved.

The virus will continue to mutate in the vaccinated because what they injected in themselves is ONLY looking for the rendition of the virus as it was when they first developed it!

That’s why they will get sicker and sicker the more “boosters” they take.

It’s called Antibody Dependent Enhancement.

And they have been warned for 10 months this was going to happen by many immunologists, scientists and Drs. To no avail.
 
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TheIndianGirl

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If I tell someone to not get a vaccine, and let nature take it's course, then it's no fault to me since viruses are an unavoidable risk we take for living on Earth. See the difference there?
Cancer is also a natural part of life. What is the difference between telling someone not to take a vaccine (for purposes of this discussion, any vaccine) versus telling them not to go for chemo/radiation but instead try natural treatments?
 
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flygplan

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https://www.foxnews.com/health/pfizer-bourla-covid-19-vaccine-resistant-variant-likely-emerge

Other experts feel it may speed up the emergence of the vaccine resistant variant. Our government is trying to defeat it but it may need to accept this is part of life. In less we all want to live for every new vaccine for our security blanket, then we best learn to breathe open air again.
I do think there is no other way around this other than accepting it's part of life now. Just like with any other disease. And yes, we will have to see where this take us, hopefully the right decisions will be made.
 
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You have the choice of accepting or not the side effects. This doesn't mean there won't be restrictions in the foreseeable future because of your decision.
There shouldn't be restrictions at all. If you are vaxxed, you are protected, right? Probably not.

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a just your science to what is:The wisdom of man is sometimes not the wisdom of god.Look god does these things for his owm propose via angles good and bad.It has little to do with mans science rather gods wisdom
 
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flygplan

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Cancer is also a natural part of life. What is the difference between telling someone not to take a vaccine (for purposes of this discussion, any vaccine) versus telling them not to go for chemo but instead try natural treatments?
My friend, these people I think wouldn't go for chemo... it's all a conspiracy to kill us all haha
 

Roughsoul1991

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Someone can't prevent what is beyond their control, such as catching a virus, but taking a vaccine is a conscious and deliberate risk. A vaccine can cause deadly side effects.

If you encourage an otherwise healthy person to get vaccinated and they get hurt from it then their blood is on your hands; there's nothing that embodies the spirit of a good Samaritan in doing so.

If I tell someone to not get a vaccine, and let nature take it's course, then it's no fault to me since viruses are an unavoidable risk we take for living on Earth. See the difference there?
We take risks everyday. I remember reading a book written by a agent in the CIA. He said we all walk by potential terrorists all the time. They are in neighborhoods, towns, cities, schools, jobs, etc. It is only when they act on such violence do we hear of them.
 
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I do think there is no other way around this other than accepting it's part of life now. Just like with any other disease. And yes, we will have to see where this take us, hopefully the right decisions will be made.
The fact that you have aquiessed into the mindset this is "part of life now", makes you complicit. This is NOT part of life now. .. only to people like you who are part of the problem.

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Cancer is also a natural part of life. What is the difference between telling someone not to take a vaccine (for purposes of this discussion, any vaccine) versus telling them not to go for chemo/radiation but instead try natural treatments?
You wouldn’t take chemotherapy unless you HAD cancer.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Cancer is also a natural part of life. What is the difference between telling someone not to take a vaccine (for purposes of this discussion, any vaccine) versus telling them not to go for chemo/radiation but instead try natural treatments?
Chemo is not healthy and has failed plenty of times but still a better chance than not doing anything at all. Other treatments may very well be better and they are in the making as science progresses.

But ultimately we do not make them take chemo. We give them a choice. Plus cancer has way different risks than a virus. Comparing apples to oranges.
 
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