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DavidTree

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Duckybill said:
Then why did you say this?
"anyone that refuses or works on His Sabbath shall never see LIFE"
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Because that is exaclty what is written in John 3:18

"Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son."

This is the SAME as this:
And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.

The Seventh Day is our Lord Jesus Christ.

Are you so dull that you cannot understand this???
Do you really think that God needs rest???

Have you not known? Have you not heard?
The everlasting God, the LORD, The Creator of the ends of the earth, Neither faints nor is weary.
His understanding is unsearchable. Isaiah 40:28
 
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DavidTree said:
Brother, i understand you desire righteousness by the Law but i would urge you to reconsider on this basis - no one has been successful except One = Immanuel, God with us.

Now therefore (Brother MalikB), why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Acts 15:10
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He not saying that,He saying jesus is the foundation the law of grace
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
You can’t keep the law

thats the point!

it was a burden no one could keep. Yet you want to put people under that burden

shame on you
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Romans 2:13


13 For it is not merely those who hear the Law who are righteous in God’s sight. No, it is those who follow the Law, who will be justified.



James 1:25


25 But the one who looks at the perfect law of freedom and remains committed to it—thereby demonstrating that he is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of what that law requires—will be blessed in what he does.
 
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rayzor said:
He not saying that,He saying jesus is the foundation the law of grace
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He is attempting to attach the Law to The Rest of God - Jesus the Christ.
No different then in Acts 15:10 and what the Apostle Paul warned us of.

But when the time had fully come, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those under the law, that we might receive our adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, you are also an heir through God.

It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not be encumbered once more by a yoke of slavery (the Law).
 
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DavidTree said:
Brother, i understand you desire righteousness by the Law but i would urge you to reconsider on this basis - no one has been successful except One = Immanuel, God with us.

Now therefore (Brother MalikB), why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Acts 15:10
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The law is a blessing and a curse.... a blessing to keep the law and a curse to sin (break it). Again, this is not about being able to keep the law perfectly.... Grace covers us for where we fail. Abraham, Noah, Moses, etc. all sinned... but still were justified (approved) by the Father.
 
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MalikB said:
The law is a blessing and a curse.... a blessing to keep the law and a curse to sin (break it). Again, this is not about being able to keep the law perfectly.... Grace covers us for where we fail. Abraham, Noah, Moses, etc. all sinned... but still were justified (approved) by the Father.
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Go for it - let us know how you are doing keeping the Law before God.
Hey, guess what, you get to meet Moses.

I'm a little slow, kids make fun of me, so i'll try and do my best with the Two Commandments Jesus told me to obey.

That Mose dude likes to smash things when people break the Law.
 
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DavidTree said:
He is attempting to attach the Law to The Rest of God - Jesus the Christ.
No different then in Acts 15:10 and what the Apostle Paul warned us of.

But when the time had fully come, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those under the law, that we might receive our adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, you are also an heir through God.

It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not be encumbered once more by a yoke of slavery (the Law).
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DavidTree sematics your defining the sound different, Or your not abel 2 understand i guess? Or just being a rascal.That in this case we r saying the same thing
 
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DavidTree said:
Go for it - let us know how you are doing keeping the Law before God.
Hey, guess what, you get to meet Moses.

I'm a little slow, kids make fun of me, so i'll try and do my best with the Two Commandments Jesus told me to obey.

That Mose dude likes to smash things when people break the Law.
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Those Two commandments are the spiritual summary of the Fathers instructions (law).... hence why the law and the prophets "hang" on those two.

Think about how vague those two commandments are.... What does it mean to love God?.... What does it mean to love your neighbor? This can mean so many things to different people causing them to be left up to interpretation.

What does it mean to "love god"?


1 John 5:3

3 For this demonstrates our love for God: We keep his commandments, and his commandments are not difficult
 
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rayzor said:
DavidTree sematics your defining the sound different, Or your not abel 2 understand i guess? Or just being a rascal.That in this case we r saying the same thing
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I really miss the Little Rascals. So much fun - Oh, the good ol days........
 
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MalikB said:
I mean all intsructions given by the Father to mankind. From "be fruitful and multiply".... to the mosaic laws.... the commandments.... Holy days.... Sabbaths.... etc.

Of course all laws weren't given to all people for all times. There are laws given just to one individual... some for men, some for women, some for priests... some for a specific time and place.... and some for all to carry out throughout their generations forever.
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You believe in executing unruly children?
 
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strange children r in reality sins.But i have a filling voice will deal with that.Kill the sin not the sinner
 
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Jocund said:
You believe in executing unruly children?
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I know at least 4 times sense I've been posting, I've pointed out that there is a difference between the penalties for breaking the law and the law itself.... and even when the penalties did exist there was still a court system that had a judge and required, 2 to 3 witnesses, etc.
 
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DavidTree said:
I really miss the Little Rascals. So much fun - Oh, the good ol days........
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Those Were the Days
Carroll O'Connor, Jean Stapleton

Boy, the way Glenn Miller played
songs that made the hit parade
Guys like me we had it made
Those were the days
Didn't need no welfare state
ev'rybody pulled his weight
gee our old LaSalle ran great
Those were the days
And you knew who you were then
girls were girls and men were men
Mister we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again
People seemed to be content
fifty dollars paid the rent
freaks were in a circus tent
Those were the days
Take a little Sunday spin
go to watch the Dodgers win
Have yourself a dandy day
that cost you under a fin
Hair was short and skirts were long
Kate Smith really sold a song
I don't know just what went wrong
those were the days
Source: LyricFind
Songwriters: Charles Strouse / Lee Adams
Those Were the Days lyrics © Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC Those where never the days
 
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Duckybill said:
Then why did you say this?
"anyone that refuses or works on His Sabbath shall never see LIFE"
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Simple - this has to do with the First Commandment.
Just as i stated.

And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.
 
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MalikB said:
The law is a blessing and a curse.... a blessing to keep the law and a curse to sin (break it). Again, this is not about being able to keep the law perfectly.... Grace covers us for where we fail. Abraham, Noah, Moses, etc. all sinned... but still were justified (approved) by the Father.
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I am blessed by keeping the Law of Christ, therefore i am FREE from the Law of sin and death.
All the curses were nailed to the Cross.
My Savior said "It is Finished".
Today we say it like this - OVER, Done With, satan Loses - We Win.
 
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DavidTree said:
I am blessed by keeping the Law of Christ, therefore i am FREE from the Law of sin and death.
All the curses were nailed to the Cross.
My Savior said "It is Finished".
Today we say it like this - OVER, Done With, satan Loses - We Win.
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The law wasn't nailed to the cross. Like you just said... the CURSES were nailed to the cross. What are the curses? The curses of the law are the penalties for breaking it.


Deuteronomy 11:26-28

26 Look! I’m about to grant you a blessing and a curse— 27 a blessing if you obey the commands of the Lord your God that I’m giving you today, 28 or a curse if you don’t obey the commands of the Lord your God, by turning from the way that I’m commanding you today and following other gods whom you have not known.”


What happened when Adam and Eve first broke Gods instructions (sinned)? The enchanter was cursed, woman was cursed and the ground was cursed. These curses are penalties for breaking the law (God's instructions).


The Messiah paid the earthly penalties associated with breaking the laws under the old covenant. These penalties needed to be paid in order for a new covenant to be created. You can not resign a lease when you are 3 months past due on rent.

The death of the Messiah did not take down the speed limit sign, it just payed one big speeding ticket.

Do you get it?
 
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MalikB said:
The law wasn't nailed to the cross. Like you just said... the CURSES were nailed to the cross. What are the curses? The curses of the law are the penalties for breaking it.


Deuteronomy 11:26-28

26 Look! I’m about to grant you a blessing and a curse— 27 a blessing if you obey the commands of the Lord your God that I’m giving you today, 28 or a curse if you don’t obey the commands of the Lord your God, by turning from the way that I’m commanding you today and following other gods whom you have not known.”


What happened when Adam and Eve first broke Gods instructions (sinned)? The enchanter was cursed, woman was cursed and the ground was cursed. These curses are penalties for breaking the law (God's instructions).


The Messiah paid the earthly penalties associated with breaking the laws under the old covenant. These penalties needed to be paid in order for a new covenant to be created. You can not resign a lease when you are 3 months past due on rent.

The death of the Messiah did not take down the speed limit sign, it just payed one big speeding ticket.

Do you get it?
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Hardness of heart always leads men into religion and away from freedom.
 
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MalikB said:
I know at least 4 times sense I've been posting, I've pointed out that there is a difference between the penalties for breaking the law and the law itself.... and even when the penalties did exist there was still a court system that had a judge and required, 2 to 3 witnesses, etc.
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Deuteronomy 21:18–21 is an explicit "shall" for parents to submit their unruly children to death. It isn't a punishment, it is a commandment of the law.

You believe unruly children should be executed?
 
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