Saved by Water

Not that I have high hopes that you'll agree, but he had already mentioned the spirit baptism in the verse before. Prior to asking God about that one, I'd thought it couldn't mean anything but the same thing you do.

Ephesians 4:4-5 KJV
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; [5] One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

And thanks for the 'friend' comment, even if you were only using it as a figure of speech. *Philippians 4:8 & Philippians 1:8)

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

What you seem to fail to realize is that the Word for "name" in the Greek refers to reputation of the person.

What point were you trying to make about 'His name' anyway?


Both of these verses refer to the reputation of Jesus as the Son of God, Messiah. That's what saves.

Not simply calling out "Jesus!".

One spirit (Holy Spirit) one baptism (spirit baptism)

Not two baptisms.

The scriptures presented make the point that the use of the literal name of the Lord Jesus is required in water baptism. (Acts 2:38, 22:16)

There is power in the name of Jesus.

Jesus said if we ask anything in his name he will do it. (John 14:14) Stated elsewhere, the word instructs that everything we do in word and deed is to be done in his name. (Col 3:17)

Can a person expect healing if they do not pray for it using the literal name of Jesus?
Can demons be cast out without commanding them to do so in the literal name of Jesus?

The scriptures presented make the point that the use of the literal name of the Lord Jesus is required in water baptism. (Acts 2:38, 22:16) There is power in the name of Jesus. Jesus said if we ask anything in his name he will do it. (John 14:14) Stated elsewhere, the word instructs that everything we do in word and deed is to be done in his name. (Col 3:17)

Can a person expect healing if they do not pray for it using the literal name of Jesus?
Can demons be cast out without commanding them to do so in the literal name of Jesus?

Failure will be the result of all attempts to do these things without following God's mandate of using the name of Jesus. A couple of scriptures that reference this:

...John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. Mark 9:38-39

And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. Luke 10:17

the literal name? so now you are going to take this tact? we have all been baptized in His name.

do you think it counts if I say I rebuke your false teaching in the name of Jesus? I'm not fooling

you are so far into left field you meet yourself coming the other way

God was pretty ingenious in his handling (and separating in time) of these matters.

GOD sent John the baptist to establish the way of the Lord (Water baptism for REMISSION of sins, [perhaps you say repentance for remission]) slightly BEFORE Jesus' earthly ministry began... and He established the other (Baptism in the spirit) slightly AFTER Jesus' earthly ministry. As it is written: "Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. " (Matt. 11:10, Mark 1:2, Luke 7:10 verbatim in all three). <--That is important because it proves that remission of sins is accomplished NOT at the receiving of the Holy ghost, but at the repentance that includes water baptism (because remission was in effect before receiving of the Holy Ghost was even available).

That, of course, is in line with what Jesus said in Acts 1:5 KJV and what Peter practiced in Acts 2 :38 and Acts 10:44....and which the apostles collectively practiced as well in Acts 8:14-17 and which the apostle Paul also practiced in Acts 19:4-6. All of them knowing that if someone had believed and been water baptized, that was not the same as receiving the Holy Ghost [nor a replacement for it] (Acts 2 & 19 accountings) and that if they had received the Holy Ghost, that was no replacement for repentance&remission through baptism. (Acts 8 & 10 accountings). <-- might take re-reading to see that the chapter groupings changed to reflect the possible combinations.

Sorry for the delay, I was working too. (not to suggest you were holding your breath waiting for my reply )

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

they are no different than the jew who insisted one my have faith plus circumcision

Amazing how satan has duped two groups into a works based gospel by inserting just one work of righteousness to the equation. And what funny is they both REPRESENT being washed or cleansed

And you were wrong all of those times.

It is the baptism of GOD which brings remission f sin. The baptism in water unto remission is because we have received remission of sin. Remembering Peter gave that command to be baptised ONLY to those induviduals who repented and recieved the spirit already

The word of God specifically addresses the two topics you mention.

1. The OT mandate of circumcision was required of Jews and Gentile proselytes. Jews thought it necessary for believers to continue the practice ALONG with the NT mandate of repentance and obedience to water baptism.
2. Faith in the NT gospel message does not require obedience to OT circumcision. It commands both Jew and Gentile believers to repent and submit to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus.

According to the word, it is water baptism that remits sin. (Acts 2:38, 22:16) Peter never stated that the group had received the Holy Ghost when they believed in Jesus. Actually Peter told the group they needed to repent and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus and that God would give them the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38-41) Also noteworthy is the fact that Peter's message was prompted by the groups confusion concerning those speaking in tongues. Peter stated that what they were seeing and hearing was in fact the manifestation that the Holy Ghost had been given.

According to the word, it is water baptism that remits sin. (Acts 2:38, 22:16) Peter never stated that the group had received the Holy Ghost when they believed in Jesus. Actually Peter told the group they needed to repent and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus and that God would give them the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38-41) Also noteworthy is the fact that Peter's message was prompted by the groups confusion concerning those speaking in tongues. Peter stated that what they were seeing and hearing was in fact the manifestation that the Holy Ghost had been given.

“Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭11:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/1/act.11.17-18.KJV

Peter says they received the Holy Spirit here without water baptism.

It is a contradiction no matter how you slice it

You don;t tell someone they cant do anything to be saved. Then in the next breath tell them they must do something.

They will look at you funny (hopefully) and walk away if you do. Or maybe, better yet. Try to tell you how contradictory you are.

You are failing to rightly divide the word. I'll try one more time then I'm done.

God was not propelled by man's "wonderful" behavior to design a way for man to be able to come back into right standing with Him. His plan that included sending His Son was created in spite of man's lousy behavior.

Notice according to the word, God's plan consists of more than saying the "sinner's prayer."

1. Belief in Jesus' having shed His blood for mankind's sin.
2. Repentance required of mankind for making Jesus sacrifice necessary.
3. Obedience to baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin required of mankind.
4. God provides the gift of the Holy Ghost to those willing to obey Him.

Individual's who accept God's conditions will obey them and receive their spiritual rebirth.

I've already explained what the word "name" means in the Greek. Jesus' literal name has no power. It it His REPUTATION that counts.

Repeating the name "Jesus" over and over changes nothing.


There is power in the REPUTATION of Jesus. Who He is and what He has done.


Sad.


It is His REPUTATION that is important. Yes, we do say His Name, but it's His REPUTATION that counts.

btw, are you aware of how many people in Mexico who are named 'Jesus"?

I'm sure God knows to whom we are referring. And again, I believe it when Jesus said; "If ye shall ask anything in my name, I will do it." John 14:14

I've already explained what the word "name" means in the Greek. Jesus' literal name has no power. It it His REPUTATION that counts.

Repeating the name "Jesus" over and over changes nothing.


There is power in the REPUTATION of Jesus. Who He is and what He has done.


Sad.


It is His REPUTATION that is important. Yes, we do say His Name, but it's His REPUTATION that counts.

btw, are you aware of how many people in Mexico who are named 'Jesus"?

I wouldn't expect to receive anything from Jesus without requesting it how He said to. Obedience to His commands is actually how we honor Him.