PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE GET THE COVID SHOT.

the problem I have with the above info, is that they are referring to biblical literalists creating this alarm and saying this event will happen.

as can be seen below, the actual info gathering has not taken place in scripture alone, but from various sources...some outrageous and some more believable than others, but still extra-biblical...so incorrect to say those who take the Bible literally have ascertained the event in September.

I take the Bible literally...except where figurative or metaphors or similar are used...or poetic language. but I do not go to all these extra biblical sources to prove what scripture states...most people do not...we are all free to do so if we wish, but I do not believe at all, that truth of biblical nature is to be garnered that way

Bible codes and conspiracy platforms are not the Bible, but people who are suspicious by nature IMO

I think this issue is tangential to this thread. Yes it explains a whole lot about why they are pushing this vaccine and all the things they have done. For example, why the moratorium on evictions for rent? they are hoping to buy up all these properties in foreclosure for pennies on the dollar. It is tied to the urgency with getting the vaccine (Sept 27 is the "deadline" in NYC) but this is not an appropriate thread to discuss the mountain of evidence from the Bible. My blog is (summary of Bible references concerning the rapture) or a new thread is.

There are three avenues (I consider predictive programming to be part of current events) that the watchmen have used to converge on this date. The Bible is the primary avenue, some focus on the allegories, others focus on the black and white word, and still others are wonderful at expounding on Old Testament prophecies.

The second avenue is to look carefully at current events and see if any fit in. One man did a wonderful book called "Harbingers" which tied 9/11 into Biblical prophecy, others have tied the Mortgage meltdown in, and of course Israel being reformed and then taking control of Jerusalem are used by everyone. The two cows born with 7's on their foreheads is another one that I think Sid Roth did a show on. I saw a video today where the name of God is written on the East Wall of the Temple mount in vines growing there.

The one event that got everyone's attention and that you are alluding to is the Revelation 12 sign, it appeared September 23, 2017 and took place on the Feast of Trumpets. It is a big sign and people do not think it is an accident that this comet is supposed to hit the earth on September 23 4 years later.

Then there are also dreams. Dana Coverstone is one example, but Ken Peters had a dream in 1980 which he then shared in 2000 on the Prophecy Club. He begins by saying "as soon as I fell asleep the dream began, the first thing he heard was a loud horn that just blared continually, after that he saw the graves opened". Ken Peters died on Aug 14, 2021 and Kabul fell on Aug 15, 2021. I only learned recently that "Magog" referred to a bunch of nations including Afghanistan. The war that kicks off the tribulation is an alliance between Russia, Afghanistan, Turkey and a few other Islamic nations. To me the dreams color in a little background.

Finally there is something called "predictive programming". I had a problem with this until I saw God referring to it in Ezekiel 33. Predictive programming is where the elites do warn each other, but do it in a way that the deplorable unwashed masses will be kept in the dark. This is so they can profit off of our destruction.

To return to the topic of this thread -- here is what I don't get about all those who are genuinely concerned about vaccinating people in order to cause the pandemic to die out. (Serious question, so please if you do have an answer I'd love to hear it.)

In countries like the US and Israel we have close to 70% vaccinated, maybe even 80%. But if you go to the slums of the world, the places most likely to see the next truly deadly variant of this virus develop we have less than 5% vaccinated. Who cares about that lone holdout who doesn't want the vaccine, you could go to Brazil, South Africa, India, Mexico, Bangladesh, etc and vaccinate millions and millions. Deadly variants are going to arise in the slums because they will be the most successful variant when there is no social distancing. If your real concern is that the vaccine will protect us from these new variants springing up your focus would be on the worst slums in the world, some redneck in Alabama is not a threat. Ten people living in one room in a slum, they are.

I assume that is your question. For me personally, it doesn't make much difference if someone refuses to get vaccinated and waits 3 weeks for the meteor storm to hit. I just don't want misinformation to be spread from that special person that could effect the lives of many people.

As for people who are overly zealous and wanting to mandate vaccinations on people, they probably lack the means to reach out to the slums you're speaking of or they would. So they just push for a more local enforcement.

Biden is pushing a $3.5 trillion dollar stimulus package and Bill Gates is the one sponsoring this vaccine. they already have NGO's set up to administer these programs in these areas. I don't think "lack of resources" is a plausible explanation.

So...where's your blog. Give me a link.

I have thoroughly researched Dana Coverstone. His predictions did not come true. no cred whatsoever excepting he made a big splash all over the net before his 'prophecies' failed

the "Prophecy Club'. right

Sid Roth? uh....sorry

all sources I would not shake a stick at.

I do research also and I am not a stranger to these types of 'predictions' and end of the world scenarios

well that's convenient since YOU are the one that introduced this topic some pages back complete with videos Page 144

smh

he means the blog right here at CC that people can set up and use

I don't mind sharing the information here, I don't like to be rude and hijack a thread, but if you insist and as long as no one objects I have no issue with that.

you already hijacked the thread LOL!

are you kidding? videos and all

whatever at this point

151 pages long...most have repeated themselves into snoring because it's boring

your blog is 184 pages long....I have read some of it

then I believe it was the thread on Bible codes that you started after a while...some time back

this is your focus apparently

About 163.9 million people, or 49 percent of the total U.S. population, have now been fully vaccinated. As of data from the CDC.

I am going to assume that the predictions of 70 - 80% will reduce the clogging of ICU units. We will see.

Google "Spike of COVID in Israel" and read what that is all about. It is not suggesting that their vaccines are not effective.

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My blog is a collection of verse references concerning the day of the Lord and concerning the redemption of our body. I chose to focus on the rapture and to focus even more on the first rapture knowing that this is a controversial topic. The Lord says that “as you see the day approaching” and so one of my goals was to understand from the Bible what we would see that would tell us the day is approaching. I use the gospel of Luke, chapter 21 as my outline for this abstract because Luke is focused on this first rapture (Mark is on the mid tribulation rapture and Matthew on the rapture of Israel). You will see that some of the things mentioned in Mark and Matthew are not here because you will not see them prior to the rapture.

The Widow’s Offering

21:1 As Jesus looked up, he saw the rich putting their gifts into the temple treasury. 2 He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins. 3 “Truly I tell you,” he said, “this poor widow has put in more than all the others. 4 All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on.”

There is a beautiful symmetry here. The chapter ends with us praying that we would be able to escape the coming destruction and to stand before the Son of Man. The chapter begins with this little window into that. Jesus sees everything. He sees how dedicated you are and His math is different from the world. In the world a man who gives $1,000 gave more than a woman who gave $20. But if you are simply skimming off the top you are giving a much smaller percent of your wealth whereas someone who is giving everything they have is giving a much bigger percent. Are you giving all your living or are you giving whatever is extra? What is the point of studying the rapture if you are not going to escape and are not worthy to stand before the Son of Man? Jesus gave everything He had, He gave His life, how can you stand before Him if you have not also given all you have, given all your living?

The Destruction of the Temple and Signs of the End Times

5 Some of his disciples were remarking about how the temple was adorned with beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God. But Jesus said, 6 “As for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown down.”

In Corinthians we are told by Paul that we are building the church with gold, silver and precious stones and that our building work will be tested by fire. If it stands the test you receive a reward, if it burns up in the fire you suffer a loss but you will still be saved, yet so as through fire. So there is a judgement going on, the rapture is this judgement. Those who are taken in the first rapture are receiving this reward, those who are left behind will suffer loss just like having a fire burn up everything you have worked for, but they themselves will still be saved. This refers to the two raptures. This temple that the disciples were admiring was about to suffer loss, they built according to their own opinion. They should have recognized that Jesus Christ had come and yet they didn’t. There were very many prophecies including Daniel which told them the exact year He would be crucified and even though they considered themselves Bible scholars they didn’t recognize Him. There was the star of Bethlehem, yet they missed that. There were two thousand kids who were murdered, also a fulfillment of prophecy and yet they missed that. John the Baptist paved the way for Him and yet they missed that. The blind received their sight, the lame walked, the dead were raised and yet they still insisted on not recognizing Him. So the Temple appeared to be made with stones and beautiful gifts, but in God’s eyes it was wood, hay and stubble and would be burned. What happened in 70 AD to the temple and what happened to the Jews is an example of what Paul meant when he said that “we would suffer loss”. We can also see that the Lord is not referring to physical stones, physical gold, or physical silver. These great cathedrals that have been built with their great artwork will also be burned up. No, the gold, silver and precious stones refers to God’s divine nature, Jesus’ redemption, and the Spirit’s transforming work. The Triune God needs to be worked into our being, that is how you build the church. The word of God is fine gold, it is the finest silver, and it is precious stones. We live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Are you constituted with the word of God, is it mingled with your daily living? We need works that express our faith. Abraham offering up Isaac was an example of a work that expressed his faith in God. Wood, hay and stubble refers to works that come from our natural opinion, ideas, and concepts. When you read George Mueller’s biography you will see that his entire work of setting up orphanages rested on a single word that God spoke to him from the Bible. It was a work of faith. His faith was not dead because it had a living expression.

When will these things happen and what will be the sign that they are about to take place?

7 “Teacher,” they asked, “when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are about to take place?”

This would be the perfect place for the Lord to respond “no one knows the day or the hour” but He doesn’t. Let that sink deep inside, everything He says is an answer to this question. We will see there are definitely signs that tell us when these things are about to happen. The Magi got a sign and a few months later they see the baby Jesus. The ministry of John the Baptist was a sign. Mary, the mother of Jesus, kept all the different signs in her heart.

talk about anti-climatic

It seems completely unreasonable to include children 19 and under as they have almost no risk at all from the virus and for most of them there isn't even a vaccine.

Also, now that it has been shown scientifically, that those who have survived the virus have a far more robust immune response to Covid than those who have been vaccinated they also should be included in any assessment of "herd immunity". That is why I don't give any credence to 49%.

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Watch out for false prophets

8 He replied: “Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them.

On the one hand there are signs that tell us when these things are about to happen, on the other hand Satan will disguise himself as an angel of light and try to deceive us. The last two thousand years of the church age is filled with false prophets and false Christs (cult leaders) who want people to follow them. The lesson to be learned is not that Christians need to avoid this topic or this chapter, but rather we need to know the Lord. We are His sheep and we know His voice. Second lesson is we should not be ignorant of Satan’s devices. If it is possible to deceive the elect he will do so. The extent of his deceptions and the lengths that he will go to in order to deceive us is incredible. The cult leaders like Jim Jones is the first and most obvious example. In warfare it is critical to keep your balance. An attack may cause you to fall (as with those who were deceived and followed the false christ) but it may also cause you to overreact, over compensate. Either way you are not balanced. The Lord said “I will build my house and the gates of hades will not prevail against it”. If you are standing with the Lord building the house then you should be experiencing the attacks of the gates of hell. Being someplace where there is no attack is a sign that you are not with the Lord building His house. When I played football I was told to “fight the pressure”. If the lineman is trying to push you one way that is where you don’t want to go. On the one hand we have Jim Jones telling us the time is near and we need to follow him. That is grape kool aid. On the other hand you have these denominational preachers saying “no one knows the day or the hour” and that we should not touch this topic, that is the cherry Kool aid. Either way you are being deceived. Every word of God is good for teaching, for reproof, for instruction in righteousness. Anyone who removes words from the Bible or says you should skip this chapter, that chapter and the book of Revelation will be accursed. So then how do we identify these false prophets. They come in the Lord’s name, they will be in the appearance of a believer, they are wolves in sheeps clothing. Only they are not satisfied being one of the many sheep, no they are a special sheep, they are “he”. This is so obvious you have to be very naive to fall for it. They have a special anointing, a special gift, they are “the apostle”, or who knows, they may claim to be Christ! One technique is to deny that they say that and yet everything they do say would lead you to believe that “wow, this is Christ!” That is the big tell. A second big component of their ministry is “the time is near”. This is very distinctive, they are saying that at the end of the age, the time is near, the messiah has returned secretly to lead people out of this evil world, and only those in this cult out of 7.5 billion people on earth know. Once again you have to be extremely naive. The gospel goes out to the whole world and then the end comes. We are not a “secret society”, those are of Satan. We are not of the world but the Lord has sent us out into the world to preach the gospel and to be His witness until He comes. There is no special pre rapture period where we then leave the world and are no longer responsible to be witnesses. But the ultimate tell is that you need to follow them? Why? We have the fellowship of the Apostles, this is our covenant, our contract with God. Jesus is living in our heart. Where in our contract does it ever say that we also will need to follow some man at the end of the age. Rather it doesn’t say that, it says that is a deception from the enemy. Now many will think, thank God I’m not in a cult like Jim Jones. OK, but do you follow a man? Can you read the Bible for yourself or do you need some Bible teacher to tell you what it says? How did the Lord put it, oh yea, “depart from me workers of iniquity, I never knew you”. Do you know the Lord, do you know His word, can you recognize His voice, or do you need someone else to tell you what God is saying? If you don’t have that relationship everything else is not important, you will never deceive the Lord at His coming and the door will be shut in your face.

The "vaccine mandates" ,vaxers,antivaxers ect. probably wont be of any consequence by this time next year anyway because of the "MU" mutation(Colombia,Ecuador ect.) which is already spreading. So(not sure if anyone's heard of it yet) but the MU mutation is going right through the antibodies of those vaccinated and those with natural antibodies(prior infection) so the vaccine cards,mandates ect. wont mean a thing in a year or so because everyone(vaccinated or not) will catch it.

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Wars and uprisings

9 When you hear of wars and uprisings, do not be frightened. These things must happen first, but the end will not come right away.”

Here is another distinction between Luke, and Matthew and Mark. In Luke it is “wars and tumults” and in the other two gospels it is wars and rumors of war. We now have “police actions” where we don’t consider that it rises to the level of a war. Panama Canal was not a war, it was a tumult. Falkland Islands was not a war, it was a tumult. The Gulf war is a war, and police actions are tumults. This will be the situation prior to the tribulation and the first rapture.

10 Then he said to them: “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.

World War I, World War II, and the two Gulf wars are examples. But if we consider the whole church age you can include many other wars: Vietnam, Korea, Napoleonic, etc.

Earthquakes, Famines and Pestilences

11 There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places,

Krakatoa, Japan’s Tsunami, Indonesia Tsunami, and various pestilences like Black plague and Spanish flu.

Fearful Events

and fearful events

The terrorist attacks are fearful events. Munich Olympics and taking the Israeli team hostage was a fearful event. 9/11 was a fearful event. This bombing in Afghanistan was a fearful event. The mortgage meltdown was a fearful event. Chernobyl was a fearful event.

Great signs from heaven

and great signs from heaven.

The Revelation 12 sign on September 23, 2017 was a great sign from heaven. There have been a whole host of lunar eclipses and solar eclipses which are very prophetic, within this blog you can see links to videos that go into great detail on the significance of each one. The lord describes these things as though there would be lots of them, kind of like a bowl of M and M’s, but then at the very end you will have great signs from heaven. The sense I get is don’t get all bent out of shape over a war or a famine or a pestilence or an earthquake, or even from a fearful event. All of these things will happen, there will be many of them, and they don’t really tell you that the day of the Lord is at hand. However, at the very end you will get great signs from heaven, that is the key sign. The Revelation sign is a great sign, the last time something similar to this happened was six thousand years ago depicting that the seed of the woman would crush the serpent’s head. This sign will not appear again for several thousand years. It is a great sign. You have the woman (Virgo) crowned with 12 stars, clothed with the sun and the moon is at her feet. In her belly you have Jupiter for 9 months and then comes out the birth canal. This sign occurred at the feast of trumpets in 2017.

The feasts are prophetic, Paul in Colossians said that the feasts were a shadow of things to come. Passover was fulfilled when Jesus was crucified. The feast of firstfruits was fulfilled at His resurrection. The feast of unleavened bread was fulfilled indicating the church age. The feast of Shavuot was fulfilled at His ascension. The feast of Pentecost (feast of new wine) was fulfilled in Acts depicting the new testament ministry as the new wine, the church as the new wine skins and everyone hearing the great things of God in their own tongue as the gospel that is preached to the whole world. The next major feast is the feast of Trumpets which announces the coming of the King. It is ten days before the feast of Atonement where we are all judged to see whose name is written in the book of life. These ten days signify ten years known as “Jacob’s trouble”. This September 23rd, in the evening, is the fourth anniversary of the Revelation 12 sign and many believe this will be when the tribulation begins.

So then it is very important to know what these heavenly signs are that have been prophesied and to dive deeper into a fuller understanding of what these mean. Most of the intense watchmen posting on the internet concerning the day of the Lord approaching began with this Revelation 12 sign. It is the nail on which many of these prophecies of the Lord’s coming hang.

If you look at all these events: wars, uprisings, earthquakes, famines, pestilences, fearful events and great signs from heaven it seems every time we had one we had some false Christ claiming the day was near and to follow him into some cult. Think about Haley's comet, or Krakatoa. James Nichols Thom claimed to be Christ in an uprising against paying taxes. The Black death was interpreted by many to be a sign of the end of the world. Likewise with the Bubonic plague and the great fire of London.

So if you look at this it seems the Lord is warning against using these events to predict the end of the age and to avoid the false prophets who claim to be Christ and that you should follow them.

If you think about it all these kooks are the reason no one wants to touch this topic. So there are two different approaches Satan can take, first he can ridicule, mock and slander those who explore these prophecies. If that doesn't work he can push those who are pursuing them to go off the deep end. We are supposed to thread the eye of the needle, being a doomsday cult sitting on your rooftop is unbalanced, but so is taking the attitude that "no one knows the day or the hour" so don't even touch these verses.

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But, Before all this -- The Church Age -- The Times of the Gentiles

12 “But before all this, they will seize you and persecute you. They will hand you over to synagogues and put you in prison, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name. 13 And so you will bear testimony to me. 14 But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves. 15 For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict. 16 You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers and sisters, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death. 17 Everyone will hate you because of me. 18 But not a hair of your head will perish. 19 Stand firm, and you will win life.

The Lord’s response is divided into three sections. The first section talks about how we need to be careful we are not deceived. We are now coming to the second section which is referring to the apostles and everything we saw happen in the Acts of the Apostles. The rapture is divided into two groups, the first to rise are the dead in Christ. So the Lord is now giving us a vision of the “dead in Christ”. They were persecuted, especially by religious leaders, put in prison, and in their trials they will give testimony, they will be the Lord’s witnesses. Everyone will hate them because of the Lord.

20 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22 For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. 23 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

We might be tempted to think this is talking about the Day of the Lord but the section ends with “until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled”. But there is a very nice symmetry here, what we saw at the beginning of the age we will see again at the end of the age. This also tells us that the book of Acts is not simply historical but also prophetic. What has been will be.