How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

I used it as a historical source of how the early Christians understood the topic. Something does not need to be inspired to testify what people believed back then.

Honestly, with Ideas like:
Magic Underwear
Caffeine is a SIN
Jesus/Satan are Brothers
Sister Wives

I am at belief there will be [No Truths] found in any Mormon Publication.

d&c 59 i think? [u shall love god with all your heart soul and might]

Which is why I am familiar with the Writings of Papias and Polycarp. They show us quite a bit how the Church was still Continuing well after 70 A.D. into the First Century Itself.

We have different God'(s).

i think if it bring u closer to god then it's inspired.

no no that's not possible but i could b worshiping a false god.u see god made use both!..He Created All thing as a matter of fact.

It brings Mormons closer to their god, I want to be Closer to Yahweh/Yeshua.
In reality, that Verse is bringing the god of the Mormons to life with power and it's a Demon they're literally worshiping.

Thats Deuteronomy 6:5 thou shall love god with all your heart soul and might

yes amen, HE does yet Evil when God makes it is not sin it is a method in which HE chooses to use for HIS own will and HE is right in doing it.

it's that simple. God used evil and did not sin when HE did the subtle suggestion by some here is just that.

No, it's correctly translated and so are these:


Judges 9:23 Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:


1 Samuel 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.


1 Samuel 16:15 And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee.

1 Samuel 16:16 Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well.


1 Samuel 16:23 And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.


1 Samuel 18:10 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul, and he prophesied in the midst of the house: and David played with his hand, as at other times: and there was a javelin in Saul's hand.


1 Samuel 19:9 And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.


2 Samuel 12:11 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.



2 Samuel 17:14 And Absalom and all the men of Israel said, The counsel of Hushai the Archite is better than the counsel of Ahithophel. For the LORD had appointed to defeat the good counsel of Ahithophel, to the intent that the LORD might bring evil upon Absalom.



2 Samuel 24:15 So the LORD sent a pestilence upon Israel from the morning even to the time appointed: and there died of the people from Dan even to Beersheba seventy thousand men.
2 Samuel 24:16 And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the LORD repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD was by the threshingplace of Araunah the Jebusite.

1 Kings 9:9 And they shall answer, Because they forsook the LORD their God, who brought forth their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and have taken hold upon other gods, and have worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath the LORD brought upon them all this evil.


1 Kings 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.


2 Kings 21:12 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Behold, I am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his ears shall tingle.



2 Kings 22:16 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof, even all the words of the book which the king of Judah hath read:


2 Chronicles 7:22 And it shall be answered, Because they forsook the LORD God of their fathers, which brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on other gods, and worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath he brought all this evil upon them.


Nehemiah 13:18 Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city? yet ye bring more wrath upon Israel by profaning the sabbath.


Jeremiah 11:17 For the LORD of hosts, that planted thee, hath pronounced evil against thee, for the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to provoke me to anger in offering incense unto Baal.


Jeremiah 19:3 And say, Hear ye the word of the LORD, O kings of Judah, and inhabitants of Jerusalem; Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, the which whosoever heareth, his ears shall tingle.


Jeremiah 19:15 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon this city and upon all her towns all the evil that I have pronounced against it, because they have hardened their necks, that they might not hear my words.

Jeremiah 21:10 For I have set my face against this city for evil, and not for good, saith the LORD: it shall be given into the hand of the king of Babylon, and he shall burn it with fire.


Jeremiah 23:12 Wherefore their way shall be unto them as slippery ways in the darkness: they shall be driven on, and fall therein: for I will bring evil upon them, even the year of their visitation, saith the LORD.


Jeremiah 25:29 For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.


Jeremiah 26:13 Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and the LORD will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you.


Jeremiah 26:19 Did Hezekiah king of Judah and all Judah put him at all to death? did he not fear the LORD, and besought the LORD, and the LORD repented him of the evil which he had pronounced against them? Thus might we procure great evil against our souls.


Jeremiah 32:42 For thus saith the LORD; Like as I have brought all this great evil upon this people, so will I bring upon them all the good that I have promised them.


Jeremiah 35:17 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon Judah and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem all the evil that I have pronounced against them: because I have spoken unto them, but they have not heard; and I have called unto them, but they have not answered.



Jeremiah 39:16 Go and speak to Ebedmelech the Ethiopian, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring my words upon this city for evil, and not for good ; and they shall be accomplished in that day before thee.


Jeremiah 40:2 And the captain of the guard took Jeremiah, and said unto him, The LORD thy God hath pronounced this evil upon this place.


Jeremiah 44:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Ye have seen all the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem, and upon all the cities of Judah; and, behold, this day they are a desolation, and no man dwelleth therein,


Jeremiah 44:11 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will set my face against you for evil, and to cut off all Judah.


Jeremiah 44:23 Because ye have burned incense, and because ye have sinned against the LORD, and have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, nor walked in his law, nor in his statutes, nor in his testimonies; therefore this evil is happened unto you, as at this day.


Jeremiah 45:5 And seekest thou great things for thyself? seek them not: for, behold, I will bring evil upon all flesh, saith the LORD: but thy life will I give unto thee for a prey in all places whither thou goest.


Jeremiah 49:37 For I will cause Elam to be dismayed before their enemies, and before them that seek their life: and I will bring evil upon them, even my fierce anger, saith the LORD; and I will send the sword after them, till I have consumed them:


Jonah 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.


Ezekiel 6:10 And they shall know that I am the LORD, and that I have not said in vain that I would do this evil unto them.


Micah 1:12 For the inhabitant of Maroth waited carefully for good: but evil came down from the LORD unto the gate of Jerusalem.


Micah 2:3 Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, against this family do I devise an evil, from which ye shall not remove your necks; neither shall ye go haughtily: for this time is evil.


Zephaniah 1:12 And it shall come to pass at that time, that I will search Jerusalem with candles, and punish the men that are settled on their lees: that say in their heart, The LORD will not do good, neither will he do evil. mas



Lam 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? fem?


Mas forms:


It's funny because there is a verse where some people are claiming God will not do evil, masculine form of course:

Zephaniah 1:12 And it shall come to pass at that time, that I will search Jerusalem with candles, and punish the men that are settled on their lees: that say in their heart, The LORD will not do good, neither will he do evil.


They were wrong. To say God doesn't create evil is simply incorrect. We just have to understand what kinds of evil that can be created and know that the kind God creates is a moral form of evil. Creating evil to fight against or punish evil is not a moral evil.


Micah 1:12 For the inhabitant of Maroth waited carefully for good: but evil came down from the LORD unto the gate of Jerusalem.

Now please go into the various means of ra and see which one applies in this verse.

sa 45:7 Ramon Sanchez: translation....Better?
I formed light, & created darkness: I cause peace, and create affliction: I Yawah do all these things.

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


Tree of the knowledge of good and CALAMITY lol

What I said is that 1Th4&5 and 2Th1&2 are IN PERFECT AGREEMENT.

If you are saying I suggested otherwise [as in, "redo/correction"], you've not read my post/posts carefully.

Yea that works but it don't sound right to the ears.
1 : a disastrous event marked by great loss and lasting distress and suffering calamities of nature an economic calamity. 2 : a state of deep distress or misery caused by major misfortune or loss.

Ok, i'll go back and read carefully - post # please -

thank you - i am out now - good nite brother

Yes. The Bible describes the Day of the Lord this way:
Zephaniah 1:14–18, Isaiah 35:4, Jeremiah 30:7, Matthew 24, Amos 9:8–15, Ezekiel 30:3–9, Joel 3:18–20, Micah 7:11–13, Zechariah 2:11–12, Zechariah 12:3–11, Zechariah 14:3–11, Obadiah 17–21, Isaiah 30:15–26, Joel 2:18–20, Isaiah 29:17–23, Hosea 2:14–23, Micah 2:12–13, Zephaniah 2:3–7, Revelation 6-19.

It is, indeed, a day of calamity.

I am saying that the Lord causes calamity. The Bible shows us that God brings it upon the wicked (Sodom and Gomorrah, the sons of Korah, the Amalakites, etc. His calamity is also called His wrath/judgment/distress/etc in many places. God will go to great lengths to warn people of the seriousness of sin by bringing calamity upon them.
Sometimes, calamity can come from other sources (when he allows it), but also, directly from God.

You've made a Biblical claim, not a Biblical argument. No verse contradicts any other verse, meaning the way they should be translated has to be consistent with all other verses.
One way you can identify the correct position of a given principle is by considering the verses that give a position on the matter, and also happens to use Greek/Hebrew verbiage that is not ambiguous.