Vaccination?

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If a Christian gets vaccinated for the covid Is this a lack of faith?

  • Getting the vaccination means the Christian lacks faith.

  • Getting the vaccination demonstrates love thy neighbor.

  • Other,I will explain.


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I am new here so sorry for jumping in. I have been struggling on the decision myself. I have sincere Religious beliefs why I do not believe in the vaccine. I understand why people do and do not want to get the vaccine. I feel people should have the right to decide. As far as the questions I do not feel that getting the vaccine demonstrates love thy neighbor as me being vaccinated in no way protects someone unvaccinated. I can be vaccinated and still carry as much or even higher viral load than someone unvaccinated. Personally I feel more comfortable around unvaccinated people. At least from what they are telling me that most vaccinated has no symptoms, at least compared to unvaccinated. If the vaccine stopped transmission and stopped someone from getting covid then yes I feel it would be love thy neighbor but science clearly says it doesn't. The argument can be made but yes it will keep you out of the hospital and more beds for other people so yes that would be love thy neighbor. Sadly from what Israel is starting to tell us more and more vaccinated are going into hospitals at an increasing rate but who knows with all the different information out there. As far as getting vaccinated lacks Christian faith I don't believe I can judge anyone else so I would not judge someone that got the vaccine and believe that they lack Christian faith. Just a tough choice all around. Thank you.
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Well in princip you are right, nobody can force you to take the vaccine. But it will become a problem when the majority took the vaccine. And if the goverment gives the vaccined people the possibility for travel and so on, back. The unvaccined become to a risk for the community.
If you want stay unvaccined then you have to be ready to bear the consequences.
In small is it that what will come in Future (Rev. 13) in germany next month, the people have to pay their pcr Tests from their own pocket. Possibility to get the vaccine Was there but they rejectet. Why the taxpayer should pay now for those which reject the Vaccine?
Its all not nice. Its also not nice to get Covid or spread it.
Except for the fact that those with the jab can also spread the infection. If infectiousness is the measure of financial consequence, by your logic, jabbed individuals should also pay for their own PCR tests... Assuming that we accept PCR tests as a reliable means of gauging infection. These mandates do not come from a loving mind.
 
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The Russians (including Ukraine) is using Sputnik and not Pfizer.

Sputnik, Sinopharm, Johnson and Johnson, and AstraZeneca all use the HK cell lines (derived from fetal tissue) that are 50-70 years old now.

So most likely correlation is not causation....if there was any deaths caused by taking vaccines they would have investigated it to the nth degree.

As it is this is more conspiracy theory nonsense.
Fake Headlines are much better than the Truth?

According to Some, maybe?
 
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Well in princip you are right, nobody can force you to take the vaccine. But it will become a problem when the majority took the vaccine. And if the goverment gives the vaccined people the possibility for travel and so on, back. The unvaccined become to a risk for the community.
If you want stay unvaccined then you have to be ready to bear the consequences.
In small is it that what will come in Future (Rev. 13) in germany next month, the people have to pay their pcr Tests from their own pocket. Possibility to get the vaccine Was there but they rejectet. Why the taxpayer should pay now for those which reject the Vaccine?
Its all not nice. Its also not nice to get Covid or spread it.
It's also not nice to politicize something like a vaccine. They know how divisive and polarized politics are. Of course if politicians endorse something then they've created automatic opposition.
 

Moses_Young

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Virtually every word spoken against COVID vaccination. Simple one: lethal injection. I'm alive to prove that statement false.
This is the straw-man logical fallacy. Many anti-vaxxers (in the true sense of the word, like myself) believe you will die from the vaccine within a 3 - 5 year period. So only if you are here in 5 years time, will you be able to accurately state "I'm alive to prove that statement false".

And even then, we would need to do a statistical study to determine whether you are an outlier, or what percentage of you who actually took the deadly vax survived. Obviously, we would also need proof you did actually take the vax, and aren't just a shill for Big Pharma. You are aware that Pfizer was given the largest fine in history for fraud? So most anti-vaxxers and even ordinary thinking folk, are understandably cautious of a medicine bringing profit to Pfizer, for which Pfizer (and other Big Pharma companies) have absolutely no liability.
 
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Please, let me expand upon something here.
Due to Pre-Condition and unhealthy Genetics [mostly found in the Women], Family Members like my Mother, Sister, and Others, would be Committing Suicide if they took the Vaccination. Their Health Conditions, depend upon what Cell Structure, defective and all, to be their only source of Defense.

Because their Health Issues relate directly with lungs that have been partially removed from a Death Sentence that God healed them from. And one has a Heart Condition + PaceMaker.

MEANS, Because their Genetics are WEAK, any slight interruption like a Vaccine, Flu, Allergy Shot might become instantly Fatal!


But the Women in my Family, compared to 398.5 out of 400 Million Americans that [will survive a thousand vaccinations], is not even enough to call it a Full ONE PERCENT Death Rate!

More like .0000006% of 1%
 

TMS

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God didn't force and will not force. This will distract a lot of people away from the real issues. Issues like taking away our religious freedoms and free will to worship God as our conscience decides. The laws being enforced with this health issue will soon be used on us for religious issues.
Stand your ground for what God wants you to do. Know your bibles to know what God wants you to do.
 

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Getting or not getting the vaccine will not stop you from going to Heaven. But your actions and beliefs will. Be kind and respect your neighbour, but most of all love God with all your heart.
 

TMS

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It would have been easy for Daniel to please everyone and just comply "but Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king's meat, nor with the wine which he drank: therefore he requested of the prince of the eunuchs that he might not defile himself". Dan 1:8.
 

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Isabelli Borges Valentim: 16-year-old Brazilian girl develops blood clots, dead eight days after first Pfizer mRNA injection

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SÃO BERNARDO DO CAMPO, BRAZIL — A 16-year-old girl is dead as authorities ramp up efforts to dismiss her death as sheer coincidence.

Ms. Isabelli Borges Valentim, also spelled “Isabelle” by some Brazilian media, received her first Pfizer mRNA injection on August 25, according to regional newspaper Diário do Grande ABC. Her lifelong dream was visiting Disneyland in Florida. She received the injection because she planned to fulfill that dream this year, and the injections are required for international travel.

The adverse effects came quickly. Ms. Valentim suffered dizziness, severe headaches, shortness of breath and extreme fatigue the next day. Her condition progressively worsened over the next several days, as she also started feeling “tingling sensations” throughout her entire body.

Cristiane Borges, Isabelli’s mother, took her only child to Hospital Coração de Jesus on August 29. But doctors said her condition was all psychological and just in her head. Right before being discharged, Isabelli collapsed and lost consciousness. That’s what it took for doctors to take her condition seriously. She was immediately transferred to Vida’s Maternity Hospital in São Paulo.

Doctors diagnosed her with life-threatening hypoxemia. Isabelli’s blood oxygen levels were at 30%. Levels below 88% are cause for concern, according to Banner Health. Doctors recommended immediate blood transfusions consisting of eight bags of blood. But Isabelli’s had a seizure before they could get started and was transferred to the intensive care unit. Doctors could not revive her over the next 36 hours.

Isabelli passed away on September 2.

Let the cover-up and subterfuges begin
Cardiogenic shock, heart attack and severe anemia are the three possible causes of deathlisted on Isabelli’s death certificate. The Brazilian Health Regulatory Agency (Anvisa) said Isabelli died from thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura – numerous blood clots throughout her body. Anvisa also said that Isabelli had a preexisting autoimmune disorder. But the agency said that the Pfizer injection “is not the probable cause of death.”

Cristiane told blogger Roberto Gonçalves that Isabelli did not have any preexisting autoimmune disorders. São Bernardo do Campo Municipal Health Secretary Geraldo Sobrinho said there were no records of Isabelli having any autoimmune disorders in their databases. Anvisa never contacted Cristiane. She received all of her information from local media. Cristiane recalled her last moments with Isabelli:

“She said four words: ‘Mom, I love you.’ Then she asked for a hug and said that the only thing she wanted was to get well. I said, ‘Isabelli, believe in your mom. You’ll be fine.’”​
Isabelli was a student at the private Christian school Colégio El-Shaday.



She was a gifted writer. Isabelli’s poem “From My Window” qualified for the 2016 Portuguese Language Olympics: Writing the Future program when she was just 11 years old. Isabelli was also very humble, as demonstrated by her acceptance speech.

“It seemed like the others were more interesting than mine. I let my thoughts flow, narrating what it’s like to see the fog from my window and compare it to Serra do Mar and everything I saw, like the trees and the school nearby.”​
Brazilian Health Minister Marcelo Queiroga recommended all states cease injecting low-risk children ages 12 to 17 until the investigation is completed. Bloomberg reported that 72% of that age group in the state of São Paulo have already received at least one injection.
 

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Except for the fact that those with the jab can also spread the infection. If infectiousness is the measure of financial consequence, by your logic, jabbed individuals should also pay for their own PCR tests... Assuming that we accept PCR tests as a reliable means of gauging infection. These mandates do not come from a loving mind.
I am not the goverment. And I am not making the law. Vaccined people dont need a PCR Test anymore.
 

Aidan1

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It's also not nice to politicize something like a vaccine. They know how divisive and polarized politics are. Of course if politicians endorse something then they've created automatic opposition.
The Opposition comes automaticly. As you see how people treat the vaccination.
From a tool for help till a devils Tool.
The politcians have to make deceisions. In the best way for the benefit of their citizienz.
They have always Opposition. Dosnt matter what they deceide.
 

EnglishChick

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The goal of despots is "GLOBALISM" That is what all of these evil government GLOBALIST officials want for all us. Living under A ONE WORLD ORDER a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT with ONE WORLD CURRENTCY.

And that is what the Bible talks about as well. Globalism doesn't work because people are NOT all the same, we are not just numbers. We have different customs and families., we have different communities., towns, counties, states and countries. To force all of us to be ALL THE SAME is totally wrong and deadly. It takes away individual importance, individual value as God sees each one of us.

Freedom is a vital GIFT and sad to say America is one of the LAST FREE countries in the world. The HISTORY, truths and FACTS of what America was founded upon have been deformed and lied about over the years. Even people on this thread are spreading the misinformation.

INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM is vital in order to defeat socialism and ultimately communism. Those freedoms are being systematically taken away HERE IN AMERICA by the same kind of despots in other countries.

Yes I know the Bible talks about it but we aren't there yet
 

EnglishChick

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Getting or not getting the vaccine will not stop you from going to Heaven. But your actions and beliefs will. Be kind and respect your neighbour, but most of all love God with all your heart.
to get to heaven you must accept you can do a thing yourself to be saved except to rely totally on the blood of Jesus being enough to cleanse you and make you acceptable and righteous to the Lord. Good works follow true salvation ..it's being transformed utterly by the Holy Spirit not from what we do
 

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I don't know, the US government seems to have selective outrage where our money goes. If our money somehow gets into the hands of people from sanctioned countries, terrorist organizations, or organized crime then they might send law enforcement to drag us to jail.

Yet when we buy from places that sale products produced from slavery or child labor then no one seems to care. That doesn't change the fact that purchasing items from a merchant that could be aiding and abetting slavery/child labor is wrong.

This is what having a conscience seared with a hot iron feels like; despite knowing these sad and sobering truths, some people feel nothing.

I think many people care about purchasing items produced by slave labour but many cannot afford products that aren't made that way .

It's sad but the blame doesn't lie with those of us who aren't wealthy and can't afford fair trade.

Of course the enemy loves to make us feel condemned if we aren't living "perfectly" and following the commandments 100%.

Condemnation not from God.
 
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