Texas Abortion Law Leaves Planned Parenthood in Tears

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Is this a reply to me or the OP? If so, how does this relate to my reply?
This was not directed at anyone in particular but rather to the tangent that has been taken about comparing someone who is prolife with someone who also supports capital punishment. On the one hand I agree with the verse that Jesus said "not one jot or tittle of the law will be annulled" refers also to capital punishment while at the same time I agree with the new commandment that we do unto others as we would have them do unto me. If you commit certain crimes I have no issue with a death penalty being imposed, however, we make mistakes and so if that were me I'd want 25 years, a lot of appeals and free legal help to prove my innocence.
 

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This was not directed at anyone in particular but rather to the tangent that has been taken about comparing someone who is prolife with someone who also supports capital punishment. On the one hand I agree with the verse that Jesus said "not one jot or tittle of the law will be annulled" refers also to capital punishment while at the same time I agree with the new commandment that we do unto others as we would have them do unto me. If you commit certain crimes I have no issue with a death penalty being imposed, however, we make mistakes and so if that were me I'd want 25 years, a lot of appeals and free legal help to prove my innocence.
There is only one here who conflated pro-life with pro- death penalty. And then claimed Jesus concurred.

He didn't.

Jesus stopped the men of the village from prosecuting the death penalty law against the woman, not the Magdalene as is commonly believed, accused of adultery.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Who was left to condemn her? No one! Neither then did Jesus condemn her. Go and sin no more.

Jesus said, he knew the law said eye for an eye. BUT....I tell you....
When Jesus said, but I tell you, that was his decree that repealed retaliatory justice.

Ignoring scripture in order to claim Jesus is pro- Capital Punishment when he proved he is not is known as, interpolation of scripture.
It's also blasphemy. And the guilty will answer for every word.

Consistency fails when someone is anti-abortion, because they're not pro life when they insist adults are able to be put to death by law.

They don't realize, abortion is a death penalty,by law. Putting a fetus, a baby, to death by law.

To insist the number of pregnancies putting at risk a woman's life is low, but consistently omits proof, isn't proof.
And implying that number is low, is saying what?
They don't commit. They don't state one way or the other if a woman in such a predicament is in their opinion entitled to abort, or not.
If not, they're again, hypocrite, and not pro life. If a woman can die if she retains a pregnancy, the woman's life takes priority. It's that simple.

A lot of untenable nonsense gets spewed when someone wants to argue against a woman's right to choose, while supporting state sanctioned killing of adults by law.
Blasphemous heresy gets spewed when interpolating scripture in order to manufacture a false xhrist the manufacturer invents to be on their side of the blasphemous argument.

And lastly, besides elective invocation of OT scripture when it serves their convoluted hypocrisy and blasphemy, but is then denied as something they did invoke when it becomes inconvenient when having to face their responsibility for invoking the OT in their prior argument, the level of Bible illiteracy on the part of such a one would be staggering if the posting of utter disrespect for the unborn didn't overshadow it.

Argument from emotion and utilizing shock value, fails.

The vulgar disrespect for a babies remains is common on the zealot anti-choice movement.
They claim to respect life, but dance around a question that asks if they've committed their life as they insist other women should in being forced to remain pregnant, by adopting or fostering born life seeking a home.

Such tactics afford the answer regardless. A resounding, NO!

Others life is no one's business. Abortion is legal. When opposed, no problem. Don't have one.

Don't imagine such an opinion need be law. Lives were lost when abortion was outlawed.

I met a male xtian once who in answer to that fact replied, GOOD! They deserve to die for trying to kill their baby.
Prayerfully a psychopath of that ilk is few and far between. Ideally, one of a kind.

When people rewrite scripture to make God in their image and likeness in order to have that false doctrine support their stance on Capital Punishment, while claiming to oppose the taking of a baby's life, but do not one thing to insure quality of life for those born and yet homeless, they're false.

Especially when they support a penalty now that was utilized over 2000 years ago to murder our Savior because a collection of vipers threatened by his living wanted him dead! And too from the time he was born. (Herod)

I'm pro-life and pro-private life.

My opinion has no right to command another's womb unless I want someone's opinion to think itself entitled to command my life's lawful choices.

Examples include those who insist God would never call women to preach because they're women. Corrupting Paul's letters to make their false point. Ignoring the fact it was by one man that sin entered this world and necessitated our needing Salvation from it in the first place. Failing as he did to minister God's words to his wife. And as a consequence caused the fall of the entire human race.

But God would never call a woman to preach because she's female?

After the miserable failure a man entrusted by God to shepherd the first and only woman failed so deeply as to damn the entire human race to be separated from God due to that one man's disobedience?
Laughable, that anyone presume to claim whom God would call to his service. Especially when God said we are not male or female as Christians but are one in him.

There are wayyyyy too many people making God in their image and as what they prefer. Because God as written isn't acceptable to them.

No one who reads scripture believes God is pro-human life no matter what. No one. Because God proved he wasn't by his own divine choice.

Hosea 13:16 (ESV)Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword; their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.

Satan destroyed Job's life with God's permission. Satan took the lives of Job's family but God wouldn't let him kill Job. Just to win a wager with Satan to prove Job's faith would never waver.

How many people did Satan kill, with God's permission?
God drowned the world! And then started over, repopulating it with humans whose Patriarch, head of family, was a drunk! And God is Omniscient.

Face the God on the pages of his word and accept that entirely as creator, as he says, of all things. And that, as he said, predestined all things according to his will and plan!
Don't, and you're not following the God of the Bible.

And to answer my own question put to one whose god is not that, we've given quality of life to 5 born but homeless children. Adopted, fostered and then adopted, at all ages. From nearly newborn to hard to place ages of 12 and 14.

Walk the talk.
Accept the Bible as written.
Face God when he tells us all that he is.
Or, stop promoting a contrived fiction thinking that makes a moral example superior to those targeted for that blasphemy that poses and fails as morally superior.


That is the end of story.
Until such ones as that meet God and answer for every fictional blasphemous word uttered to reword, rewrite, his truth to sustain their contradictory convoluted hypocritical lying politic.

And yes, it's a lonnnnng post.
It was worth my time. Worth yours to read? That's your decision dear reader...or not.

To read or not to read.
Funny how those options are appointed to the Bible as well.
And how many choose not?
We'll see.
 

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There is only one here who conflated pro-life with pro- death penalty. And then claimed Jesus concurred.

He didn't.

Jesus stopped the men of the village from prosecuting the death penalty law against the woman, not the Magdalene as is commonly believed, accused of adultery.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Who was left to condemn her? No one! Neither then did Jesus condemn her. Go and sin no more.

Jesus said, he knew the law said eye for an eye. BUT....I tell you....
When Jesus said, but I tell you, that was his decree that repealed retaliatory justice.

Ignoring scripture in order to claim Jesus is pro- Capital Punishment when he proved he is not is known as, interpolation of scripture.
It's also blasphemy. And the guilty will answer for every word.

Consistency fails when someone is anti-abortion, because they're not pro life when they insist adults are able to be put to death by law.

They don't realize, abortion is a death penalty,by law. Putting a fetus, a baby, to death by law.

To insist the number of pregnancies putting at risk a woman's life is low, but consistently omits proof, isn't proof.
And implying that number is low, is saying what?
They don't commit. They don't state one way or the other if a woman in such a predicament is in their opinion entitled to abort, or not.
If not, they're again, hypocrite, and not pro life. If a woman can die if she retains a pregnancy, the woman's life takes priority. It's that simple.

A lot of untenable nonsense gets spewed when someone wants to argue against a woman's right to choose, while supporting state sanctioned killing of adults by law.
Blasphemous heresy gets spewed when interpolating scripture in order to manufacture a false xhrist the manufacturer invents to be on their side of the blasphemous argument.

And lastly, besides elective invocation of OT scripture when it serves their convoluted hypocrisy and blasphemy, but is then denied as something they did invoke when it becomes inconvenient when having to face their responsibility for invoking the OT in their prior argument, the level of Bible illiteracy on the part of such a one would be staggering if the posting of utter disrespect for the unborn didn't overshadow it.

Argument from emotion and utilizing shock value, fails.

The vulgar disrespect for a babies remains is common on the zealot anti-choice movement.
They claim to respect life, but dance around a question that asks if they've committed their life as they insist other women should in being forced to remain pregnant, by adopting or fostering born life seeking a home.

Such tactics afford the answer regardless. A resounding, NO!

Others life is no one's business. Abortion is legal. When opposed, no problem. Don't have one.

Don't imagine such an opinion need be law. Lives were lost when abortion was outlawed.

I met a male xtian once who in answer to that fact replied, GOOD! They deserve to die for trying to kill their baby.
Prayerfully a psychopath of that ilk is few and far between. Ideally, one of a kind.

When people rewrite scripture to make God in their image and likeness in order to have that false doctrine support their stance on Capital Punishment, while claiming to oppose the taking of a baby's life, but do not one thing to insure quality of life for those born and yet homeless, they're false.

Especially when they support a penalty now that was utilized over 2000 years ago to murder our Savior because a collection of vipers threatened by his living wanted him dead! And too from the time he was born. (Herod)

I'm pro-life and pro-private life.

My opinion has no right to command another's womb unless I want someone's opinion to think itself entitled to command my life's lawful choices.

Examples include those who insist God would never call women to preach because they're women. Corrupting Paul's letters to make their false point. Ignoring the fact it was by one man that sin entered this world and necessitated our needing Salvation from it in the first place. Failing as he did to minister God's words to his wife. And as a consequence caused the fall of the entire human race.

But God would never call a woman to preach because she's female?

After the miserable failure a man entrusted by God to shepherd the first and only woman failed so deeply as to damn the entire human race to be separated from God due to that one man's disobedience?
Laughable, that anyone presume to claim whom God would call to his service. Especially when God said we are not male or female as Christians but are one in him.

There are wayyyyy too many people making God in their image and as what they prefer. Because God as written isn't acceptable to them.

No one who reads scripture believes God is pro-human life no matter what. No one. Because God proved he wasn't by his own divine choice.

Hosea 13:16 (ESV)Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword; their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.

Satan destroyed Job's life with God's permission. Satan took the lives of Job's family but God wouldn't let him kill Job. Just to win a wager with Satan to prove Job's faith would never waver.

How many people did Satan kill, with God's permission?
God drowned the world! And then started over, repopulating it with humans whose Patriarch, head of family, was a drunk! And God is Omniscient.

Face the God on the pages of his word and accept that entirely as creator, as he says, of all things. And that, as he said, predestined all things according to his will and plan!
Don't, and you're not following the God of the Bible.

And to answer my own question put to one whose god is not that, we've given quality of life to 5 born but homeless children. Adopted, fostered and then adopted, at all ages. From nearly newborn to hard to place ages of 12 and 14.

Walk the talk.
Accept the Bible as written.
Face God when he tells us all that he is.
Or, stop promoting a contrived fiction thinking that makes a moral example superior to those targeted for that blasphemy that poses and fails as morally superior.


That is the end of story.
Until such ones as that meet God and answer for every fictional blasphemous word uttered to reword, rewrite, his truth to sustain their contradictory convoluted hypocritical lying politic.

And yes, it's a lonnnnng post.
It was worth my time. Worth yours to read? That's your decision dear reader...or not.

To read or not to read.
Funny how those options are appointed to the Bible as well.
And how many choose not?
We'll see.
Got it, you disagree. But not a very balanced presentation. Jesus said that not one jot or tittle of the law would be done away with doesn't that include the death penalty?

What about the cross of Christ? If God doesn't believe in the death penalty then why was Jesus crucified?

Why does Jesus tell us we need to take up our cross and follow Him?

Why does Paul say "for me to die is gain"?

What about all the martyrs? What about the 5th seal, why does Jesus say they need to wait until others are also killed?

Or are you saying that the death penalty is only for believers and saints? That it doesn't apply to serial killers, hit men, and people guilty of genocide?

You do realize that doing away with the death penalty does not do away with innocent people being convicted, instead they just stay in jail for the rest of their lives. How is that better?

Perhaps the death penalty is very effective at getting men to repent of their sins.
 

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But consider the verse you did present, it holds man to a very high standard, a standard we cannot keep. It points out our sins, our flaws, our shortcomings. I agree which is why people volunteer their time and skill to help men on death row and it is also why the vast majority of forensic science advancements were discovered in solving death row cases.

I think this is why God has the death penalty in the Bible. We see how difficult it is to be a judge in a capital offense. We want a conviction beyond any reasonable doubt.
 

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Got it, you disagree. But not a very balanced presentation. Jesus said that not one jot or tittle of the law would be done away with doesn't that include the death penalty?

What about the cross of Christ? If God doesn't believe in the death penalty then why was Jesus crucified?

Why does Jesus tell us we need to take up our cross and follow Him?

Why does Paul say "for me to die is gain"?

What about all the martyrs? What about the 5th seal, why does Jesus say they need to wait until others are also killed?

Or are you saying that the death penalty is only for believers and saints? That it doesn't apply to serial killers, hit men, and people guilty of genocide?

You do realize that doing away with the death penalty does not do away with innocent people being convicted, instead they just stay in jail for the rest of their lives. How is that better?

Perhaps the death penalty is very effective at getting men to repent of their sins.
Ni, it was balanced. Consider the context. Till all was accomplished.

If the law in total still applies, there would not be one contention against observing the Sabbath.

We would sacrifice living things that their blood cover our sins.

In the case of adultery we'd not seek marriage counselors. Or divorce. We'd stone the offending spouse to death.

We're our daughter raped, we'd sell her for 40 pieces of silver to her rapist, making him take her as wife.

Not one not not title? There are 613 laws of God when not one shall be removed in 2021.
 

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This was not directed at anyone in particular but rather to the tangent that has been taken about comparing someone who is prolife with someone who also supports capital punishment.
There's but one here like that and they are saying those things about themselves. They're allegedly pro-life and Pro-death penalty.
On the one hand I agree with the verse that Jesus said "not one jot or tittle of the law will be annulled" refers also to capital punishment while at the same time I agree with the new commandment that we do unto others as we would have them do unto me.
More than one ignores Jesus words to those men who sought to apply the death penalty against an adultress?
If you commit certain crimes I have no issue with a death penalty being imposed, however, we make mistakes and so if that were me I'd want 25 years, a lot of appeals and free legal help to prove my innocence.
Guess what? If it were you, you don't decide to have 25 years of life on the row while you appeal. Many a wrongly accused and convicted person has been murdered by the state.
We know this because many wrongly accused and convicted were blessed to find Innocence Project, or similar, and we're exhonorated and freed from certain death.
That means in all those years of fighting for freedom the true murderer(s) were free to kill again while someone else paid their price.
What you'd do if it were you facing the row...easily said when you're not on death row.

Time frame between conviction, execution for death penalty

Have you ever volunteered in a ministerial sense to serve death row inmates?



It's easy to talk about what you've never seen, smelled, heard, or watched happen.
 

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Ni, it was balanced. Consider the context. Till all was accomplished.

If the law in total still applies, there would not be one contention against observing the Sabbath.

We would sacrifice living things that their blood cover our sins.

In the case of adultery we'd not seek marriage counselors. Or divorce. We'd stone the offending spouse to death.

We're our daughter raped, we'd sell her for 40 pieces of silver to her rapist, making him take her as wife.

Not one not not title? There are 613 laws of God when not one shall be removed in 2021.
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Matt 5:17 Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven.

We are not condemned because sinful men condemn us, however, Jesus is without sin and He is the one that you will have to be judged by. Keeping the law or breaking the law does not determine if you are in the kingdom of heaven, that is by faith in the Lord's redemptive work. However teaching others that you can do away with these laws, that is something that we will be judged for by God. Once again, the point is to set a standard for us to aspire to, and with Jesus dwelling inside and growing inside we actually have hope.
 

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There's but one here like that and they are saying those things about themselves. They're allegedly pro-life and Pro-death penalty.
Are you counting me, because I am definitely pro life and pro death penalty.

Here is what I don't get about people who claim that the death penalty is inhumane. What about life in prison for a crime you didn't commit? Is that inhumane? If the person is innocent of a heinous crime for which they might get the death penalty all you are doing is exchanging the death penalty for life in prison. How is that humane?

If it were me, mercy would be to give me everything I need to prove my innocence. We do that for people on death row, we don't provide as much help to those with life in prison.

More than one ignores Jesus words to those men who sought to apply the death penalty against an adultress?
I am not ignoring His word, he mixes mercy with judgement. Giving people on death row 25 years, and many appeals, and free legal help, that is mercy. In fact we provide everything an innocent person would need to prove their innocence.

Guess what? If it were you, you don't decide to have 25 years of life on the row while you appeal. Many a wrongly accused and convicted person has been murdered by the state.
How do you know that? By the DNA evidence? That was first used to solve a crime that carried the death penalty. By fingerprints? That was first used to solve a death penalty crime. By carpet fibers? ditto. All of the major advancements in forensic science which are going a very long way to eliminating innocent people from being convicted were first discovered and developed because of the death penalty. The death penalty played a major role in motivating people to try something new.

We know this because many wrongly accused and convicted were blessed to find Innocence Project, or similar, and we're exhonorated and freed from certain death.
Which is my point exactly. The innocence project has made great use of DNA (thank you death penalty) and fingerprints (thank you death penalty) and fibers (thank you death penalty). They help people on death row for free (my point again). When the innocence project proves an innocent man was convicted of a crime there is usually a civil suit as well with this person getting paid by the state for the error. By making them pay for their errors it is going a long way to improving the criminal justice system for everyone, not just that one person (sounds like Jesus on the cross).

That means in all those years of fighting for freedom the true murderer(s) were free to kill again while someone else paid their price.
Every single person who is exonerated by DNA or fingerprints or fibers can thank the death penalty from saving them, maybe not from death row but perhaps from ten years in prison and the felony conviction.

What you'd do if it were you facing the row...easily said when you're not on death row.

Time frame between conviction, execution for death penalty

Have you ever volunteered in a ministerial sense to serve death row inmates?


It's easy to talk about what you've never seen, smelled, heard, or watched happen.
I will be judged by the Lord for the actions that I have taken and the things that I have done. One of those things is that I do not set aside the word of God because it doesn't fit my opinion.
 

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Are you counting me, because I am definitely pro life and pro death penalty.

Here is what I don't get about people who claim that the death penalty is inhumane. What about life in prison for a crime you didn't commit? Is that inhumane? If the person is innocent of a heinous crime for which they might get the death penalty all you are doing is exchanging the death penalty for life in prison. How is that humane?

If it were me, mercy would be to give me everything I need to prove my innocence. We do that for people on death row, we don't provide as much help to those with life in prison.



I am not ignoring His word, he mixes mercy with judgement. Giving people on death row 25 years, and many appeals, and free legal help, that is mercy. In fact we provide everything an innocent person would need to prove their innocence.



How do you know that? By the DNA evidence? That was first used to solve a crime that carried the death penalty. By fingerprints? That was first used to solve a death penalty crime. By carpet fibers? ditto. All of the major advancements in forensic science which are going a very long way to eliminating innocent people from being convicted were first discovered and developed because of the death penalty. The death penalty played a major role in motivating people to try something new.



Which is my point exactly. The innocence project has made great use of DNA (thank you death penalty) and fingerprints (thank you death penalty) and fibers (thank you death penalty). They help people on death row for free (my point again). When the innocence project proves an innocent man was convicted of a crime there is usually a civil suit as well with this person getting paid by the state for the error. By making them pay for their errors it is going a long way to improving the criminal justice system for everyone, not just that one person (sounds like Jesus on the cross).



Every single person who is exonerated by DNA or fingerprints or fibers can thank the death penalty from saving them, maybe not from death row but perhaps from ten years in prison and the felony conviction.
Yes, thanks to all those who were innocent but died by electrocution, gas, hanging, or lethal injection, that others who are innocent too still face the same fate unless they get very lucky.

Thank the death penalty for DNA science advances. Lord, that's not why DNA in the CJS was advanced.
Whereas a life sentence insures death death by the state doesn't find them before IP does.
Because life at all costs STOPS! After we're born.
Let's blame Jesus! Even when he repealed the DP in his age personally.

Kill people who kill people to show people killing is wrong.:D Because we're pro-life.
:unsure:


I will be judged by the Lord for the actions that I have taken and the things that I have done. One of those things is that I do not set aside the word of God because it doesn't fit my opinion.
Oh, but you do.
 

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Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Matt 5:17 Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven.

We are not condemned because sinful men condemn us, however, Jesus is without sin and He is the one that you will have to be judged by. Keeping the law or breaking the law does not determine if you are in the kingdom of heaven, that is by faith in the Lord's redemptive work. However teaching others that you can do away with these laws, that is something that we will be judged for by God. Once again, the point is to set a standard for us to aspire to, and with Jesus dwelling inside and growing inside we actually have hope.
And there you go again. Wow.
 
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There is only one here who conflated pro-life with pro- death penalty. And then claimed Jesus concurred.He didn't.
Nope, I said it was apples to oranges, read back.


Jesus stopped the men of the village from prosecuting the death penalty law against the woman, not the Magdalene as is commonly believed, accused of adultery.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Who was left to condemn her? No one! Neither then did Jesus condemn her. Go and sin no more.
Not the same situation. She didn't take an innocent life.


Jesus said, he knew the law said eye for an eye. BUT....I tell you....
When Jesus said, but I tell you, that was his decree that repealed retaliatory justice.
No, He didn't. Already proved that wrong by what Paul said. Are you saying if a woman was raped she should allow the man to do it again?! No, Jesus was talking about personal issues, not taking offense and suing each other. He wasn't talking about the judicial system and capital punishment. You don't even make sense.



Ignoring scripture in order to claim Jesus is pro- Capital Punishment when he proved he is not is known as, interpolation of scripture.
It's also blasphemy. And the guilty will answer for every word.
I didn't. And I don't think you know what that word means. lol You abuse it quite a bit. Liars will also be judged, remember that.




Consistency fails when someone is anti-abortion, because they're not pro life when they insist adults are able to be put to death by law.

They don't realize, abortion is a death penalty,by law. Putting a fetus, a baby, to death by law.
Well you've done it, you've made the most ridiculous argument for abortion that I have ever seen. There is no tie in with the death penalty. Stop trying to make one where there isn't one. Abortion is murder, every one takes an innocent life. Period.






To insist the number of pregnancies putting at risk a woman's life is low, but consistently omits proof, isn't proof.
And implying that number is low, is saying what?
They don't commit. They don't state one way or the other if a woman in such a predicament is in their opinion entitled to abort, or not.
If not, they're again, hypocrite, and not pro life. If a woman can die if she retains a pregnancy, the woman's life takes priority. It's that simple.
Now that's your second lie, you better slow your roll. Proof was given, I gave you stats and the name. The CDC gets its stats from Guttmacher when it comes to abortion. Proof enough?! Medical issues for abortion are 1%, want to know why? Because abortion is so hard on a womans body that if she is that ill it can kill her. In those situations, which are rare, I would think the woman and her spouse/ partner would make that decision. And that is not done with the intent to take a childs life. That mother wants that child and grieves over that decision. 98% of abortions are had on healthy women having healthy children.




A lot of untenable nonsense gets spewed when someone wants to argue against a woman's right to choose, while supporting state sanctioned killing of adults by law.
Nothing has anything to do with the other. A woman has a right to choose, for herself. That baby is a human being, you don't have the right to decide to take someone else's life.


....if the posting of utter disrespect for the unborn didn't overshadow it.
60 million innocent lives taken, the population of Canada. Don't talk to me about disrespect for unborn.

Argument from emotion and utilizing shock value, fails.
It does, so take a breath and stop it, don't you know how to debate?


The vulgar disrespect for a babies remains is common on the zealot anti-choice movement.
They claim to respect life, but dance around a question that asks if they've committed their life as they insist other women should in being forced to remain pregnant, by adopting or fostering born life seeking a home.

Such tactics afford the answer regardless. A resounding, NO!
Vulgar?! Who ripped that little body from the womb?! The safe space for that little one? Then they turn around and sell the body parts. Are you joking or trolling? I can't decide which. No one forces a woman to remain pregnant, stop with the abortionist lies. Women have a choice in the majority of abortion cases. Stats show that, your opinion doesn't matter.




Others life is no one's business. Abortion is legal. When opposed, no problem. Don't have one.
That was the exact same argument used for slavery, which was the law. Think before you speak.





Don't imagine such an opinion need be law. Lives were lost when abortion was outlawed.
60 million? No!! Look up Ireland and see what's happening there. Abortionists are liars.



I met a male xtian once who in answer to that fact replied, GOOD! They deserve to die for trying to kill their baby.
Prayerfully a psychopath of that ilk is few and far between. Ideally, one of a kind.
Ah yes, one person told me once so of course I'm going to paint everyone with the same brush. smh


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When people rewrite scripture to make God in their image and likeness in order to have that false doctrine support their stance on Capital Punishment, while claiming to oppose the taking of a baby's life, but do not one thing to insure quality of life for those born and yet homeless, they're false.
I've said absolutely nothing to give you a right to make that comment. Judging people is also wrong. I told you nothing about what I do personally. Don't let your left hand know...



Especially when they support a penalty now that was utilized over 2000 years ago to murder our Savior because a collection of vipers threatened by his living wanted him dead! And too from the time he was born. (Herod)
Jesus Christ was innocent. You know that, you're just trying to pull arguments out of your hat. The men on either side of Him were guilty, one even admitted it. He was forgiven, Did Jesus save him from death on the cross? No, He told Him he would be with Him in paradise. You're proven wrong again.



I'm pro-life and pro-private life.
Exact same argument was used for slaves. They weren't considered humans either. If I had a slave I could do whatever I wished with them, by law. And you aren't pro- life.

My opinion has no right to command another's womb unless I want someone's opinion to think itself entitled to command my life's lawful choices.
My body my choice is a false argument and a lie abortionists have used since 73. The problem is today we know that's not true. It's not your body. The baby has it's own DNA, it's own fingerprints, and often a different blood type than it's mother. Not her body, not her choice. You just made your own argument for my side. smh




Examples include those who insist God would never call women to preach because they're women. Corrupting Paul's letters to make their false point. Ignoring the fact it was by one man that sin entered this world and necessitated our needing Salvation from it in the first place. Failing as he did to minister God's words to his wife. And as a consequence caused the fall of the entire human race.

But God would never call a woman to preach because she's female?
This has nothing to do with the subject. You're all over the map. There are threads that argue for or against that. This isn't one of them.



After the miserable failure a man entrusted by God to shepherd the first and only woman failed so deeply as to damn the entire human race to be separated from God due to that one man's disobedience?
Laughable, that anyone presume to claim whom God would call to his service. Especially when God said we are not male or female as Christians but are one in him.
God punished them both, may I remind you. And again, has nothing to do with the subject at hand.



No one who reads scripture believes God is pro-human life no matter what. No one. Because God proved he wasn't by his own divine choice.

Hosea 13:16 (ESV)Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword; their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.

Satan destroyed Job's life with God's permission. Satan took the lives of Job's family but God wouldn't let him kill Job. Just to win a wager with Satan to prove Job's faith would never waver.
How many people did Satan kill, with God's permission?
God drowned the world! And then started over, repopulating it with humans whose Patriarch, head of family, was a drunk! And God is Omniscient.
God is the creator, He has a right to take a life, YOU do not! And when He does take a life He is perfectly just in doing so. This also has nothing to do with abortion. Abortion is the taking of an innocent life.



And to answer my own question put to one whose god is not that, we've given quality of life to 5 born but homeless children. Adopted, fostered and then adopted, at all ages. From nearly newborn to hard to place ages of 12 and 14.Walk the talk.

Matt 6 -1“Be careful not to perform your righteous acts before men to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

2So when you give to the needy, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their full reward. 3But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.





Accept the Bible as written.
Face God when he tells us all that he is.
Or, stop promoting a contrived fiction thinking that makes a moral example superior to those targeted for that blasphemy that poses and fails as morally superior.

That is the end of story.
Until such ones as that meet God and answer for every fictional blasphemous word uttered to reword, rewrite, his truth to sustain their contradictory convoluted hypocritical lying politic.
That's a lot of gum flappin' but sayin' nothing. You were proved wrong with Scripture, facts and stats. All you do is chase your tail and give your personal opinion. Obviously you've never debated.

And yes, it's a lonnnnng post.
It was worth my time. Worth yours to read? That's your decision dear reader...or not.

To read or not to read.
Funny how those options are appointed to the Bible as well.
And how many choose not?
We'll see.
Oh I read it. lol You're a trip. Now for the second round let's talk about racist Margret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood and how they continue to carry out her wishes to this very day. Ready to debate?! If you are I'm your daisy. ;)
 
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My first thought when I read it --- I may have said what you wrote above "out loud"...

Thank you for posting it - someone needed to!

:)

I've been in the fight against abortion for many years. It's such a pity that young women in particular have been brain washed that what they are carrying is simply a "fetus" and not a baby. It's also a pity that people don't know the racist beginnings of Planned Parenthood, and that they are still carrying out those ideals today, backed by gov't.