Understanding the Trinity as a doctrine.
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Notice that Jesus commended that scribe because he spoke discreetly.
That indicates that he was not divulging all of the information as concerning what he really believed about Christ.
The man was very likely aware of the Messianic passage in Isaiah 9:6; and he every likely interpreted it to mean that the Messiah would be the everlasting Father come in the flesh.
He did not have modern-day teaching to tell him that "The everlasting Father" does not mean what it says and say what it means.
That indicates that he was not divulging all of the information as concerning what he really believed about Christ.
The man was very likely aware of the Messianic passage in Isaiah 9:6; and he every likely interpreted it to mean that the Messiah would be the everlasting Father come in the flesh.
He did not have modern-day teaching to tell him that "The everlasting Father" does not mean what it says and say what it means.
Unless that bible has been altered in some way to fit an apostate, false doctrine. I think of the Watchtower Society's New World Translation.
It changes John 1:1 from:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
To:
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the Word was a god.
[I almost became sick to my stomach typing it.]
You probably already knew about this apostasy. But many here don't.
So, I need to ask you a question, especially since you are a veteran member. Would it be appropriate to call this out by name, especially since the organization in question is becoming more militant by coming onto this forum for the sole purpose of altering our faith?
For example, is it okay to call out the Mormon church and give examples of what to watch out for? Is it okay to do the same for other cults as well?
Your input is appreciated. Thanks.
It changes John 1:1 from:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
To:
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the Word was a god.
[I almost became sick to my stomach typing it.]
You probably already knew about this apostasy. But many here don't.
So, I need to ask you a question, especially since you are a veteran member. Would it be appropriate to call this out by name, especially since the organization in question is becoming more militant by coming onto this forum for the sole purpose of altering our faith?
For example, is it okay to call out the Mormon church and give examples of what to watch out for? Is it okay to do the same for other cults as well?
Your input is appreciated. Thanks.
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The Most High is All and is in ALL...
Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
This is how they are "one" in spirit... but that spirit originates from The Most High, not Jesus.
John 5:26
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
John 12:49
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 13:3
Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
Even after Death:
Revelation 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John
Mark 13:32
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
All power from Jesus comes by way of the Father... Not the other way around.
I could careless what Watchtower Society says. I don't follow them or any man as my authority.
I don't argue that Jesus is "God"... He is just not his Father, which is these....
- THE MOST HIGH GOD
- THE ALMIGHTY
- Above all gods
- יהוה
All things that come through the Son, originate from The Father.
The Holy Spirit is the energy that comes from The Most High...
Spirit (energy) can manifest in many ways (See 1 CO 12:7-11).
The Holy Spirit is not a separate person. The Holy Spirit does not have a throne in Heaven
The Messiah does not send The Holy Spirit. Only The Father does.
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
The Messiah does not know all things...
Mark 13:32
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
The Messiah was given power over heaven and earth, and no man comes to the Father but through him.... However, The Most High God is still "The Most High".
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Nice try. Taking scripture out of context won't work here. Paul was talking about ALL believers. And in no way does it even come close to denying the deity of Christ.
So, once again, Jesus is Lord and God.
Thomas replied to him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are the people who have not seen and yet have believed.” John 20:28-29
So, once again, Jesus is Lord and God.
Thomas replied to him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are the people who have not seen and yet have believed.” John 20:28-29
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Unless that bible has been altered in some way to fit an apostate, false doctrine. I think of the Watchtower Society's New World Translation.
It changes John 1:1 from:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
To:
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the Word was a god.
[I almost became sick to my stomach typing it.]
You probably already knew about this apostasy. But many here don't.
So, I need to ask you a question, especially since you are a veteran member. Would it be appropriate to call this out by name, especially since the organization in question is becoming more militant by coming onto this forum for the sole purpose of altering our faith?
For example, is it okay to call out the Mormon church and give examples of what to watch out for? Is it okay to do the same for other cults as well?
Your input is appreciated. Thanks.
It changes John 1:1 from:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
To:
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the Word was a god.
[I almost became sick to my stomach typing it.]
You probably already knew about this apostasy. But many here don't.
So, I need to ask you a question, especially since you are a veteran member. Would it be appropriate to call this out by name, especially since the organization in question is becoming more militant by coming onto this forum for the sole purpose of altering our faith?
For example, is it okay to call out the Mormon church and give examples of what to watch out for? Is it okay to do the same for other cults as well?
Your input is appreciated. Thanks.
the watchtower bible publisher is unknown, The watchtower bible should be thrown away just on that fact.
Jesus is the son of God which means HE is GOD as the Father is God , so is the SON, not a god but God as the Son eternal, coe -equal.
Those who call the Holy Spirit and refer to HIM as energy are profaning the Holy Spirit.
This should not be.
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Again, I don't deny that Jesus is "God" or "Lord". He is just not these things...
- THE MOST HIGH GOD
- THE ALMIGHTY
- Above all gods
- יהוה
...Those titles are exclusive to who Jesus referred to as his Father.
The titles "Lord and God" are not exclusive to Jesus or The Most High:
John 10:34
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Psalm 82:6
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
The Father and son here are two distinct beings, both being called Lord:
Psalm 110:1
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
This was quoted later by The Messiah:
Mark 12:35-37
35 And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the son of David?
36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
37 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly.
In Genesis 23:6 Abraham was not only called a prince, but also "lord" and "god". The word translated here as "mighty", is the the same word for God as Genesis 1:1 ("In the beginning God"):
Genesis 23:5-6
5 And the children of Heth answered Abraham, saying unto him,
6 Hear us, my lord: thou art a mighty (Elohim) prince among us: in the choice of our sepulchres bury thy dead; none of us shall withhold from thee his sepulchre, but that thou mayest bury thy dead.
The words "Lord/My Lord" are used throughout scripture as a sign of honor and respect to someone you look up to. Being called "God or Son of God" is used for those that walk after the spirit as a reflection of The Most High as opposed to walking after the flesh and sin.
These are NOT titles exclusive to The Most High and the Messiah... So it is illogical to use these titles to support the trinity doctrine.
the refusal by those who will not accept the truth we are all limited in fully understanding Eternal Godhead is just pride. They have to be right, they will not admit they are limited in this understanding. The pride is blatant, they even speak profanely of the Holy Spirit. Nowhere in the word of God is the Holy Spirit referred to as an "energy " or force.
Jesus has been reduced and the Holy Spirit has been reduced by human reasoning not based on Biblical truth.
They think because they are saying God is greater than the Son and the Son doesn't have the title of " Almighty" are just foolish and ignorant to Who Jesus is. They fail to see IF they were correct, We all would never Bow to Jesus and call HIM LORD God the Father would not allow that by this false teaching.
Just like the JW, and LDS, they attack the Deity of Christ and make the Holy Spirt common or profane to grope their pride.
It is even wrong to debate these types to engage with foolish darken understanding.
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It doesn't matter. The indoctrination and brainwashing of the Watchtower organization are so entrenched that it would take years to undo.
I believe our time is better spent protecting new believers than trying to save brainwashed JWs through apologetics.
Just my take on it. Not trying to tell you what to do.
I believe our time is better spent protecting new believers than trying to save brainwashed JWs through apologetics.
Just my take on it. Not trying to tell you what to do.
You stated that Jesus changed the law. This view is incorrect. The law has not changed what has changed is that those in Christ no longer come under the law.
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Matt 5:18.
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There is no trinity. The holy spirit is not a person.... It is the energy/power from The Most High. The Holy spirit does not have a throne in heaven, and it is not mentioned in most verses with The Father and Son. The entire doctrine is built off of just a few misinterpreted scriptures, and lack of knowledge and/or willingness to look into the language the bible was translated from.
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Can energy do personal and relational things like, speak think, feel, act, can an energy be personally grieved? No of course not but a person can.. So even without looking at these personal biblical qualities of the Holy Spirit your argument falls at the first hurdle.
Secondly, El shaddai, is a name given to God to describe a characteristic of God, ie, all powerful. Almighty God. The triune God is almighty and all powerful.
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it is said that a person would say the Holy Spirit is not a person in the context of the word of God which provides description and Personification of the HS.
The Spirit of God who is God is a Person a Being wh is Holy and Eternal
The Spirit of the Lord
The Holy Spirit
The Comforter
Sprit of GOD
The GodHead
all speak to a person(s) not a force. This is profane to speak of. Unbiblical, ungodly, and untruthful.
The Spirit of God who is God is a Person a Being wh is Holy and Eternal
The Spirit of the Lord
The Holy Spirit
The Comforter
Sprit of GOD
The GodHead
all speak to a person(s) not a force. This is profane to speak of. Unbiblical, ungodly, and untruthful.
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Considering that 3 distinct Titles of the Holy Spirit You listed have [[SPIRIT]] in its Title
The Spirit of the Lord
The Holy Spirit
Spirit of GOD
It perfectly explains better why John 4: Christ claimed God is SPIRIT!
Christ [[was in Person FORM]] when saying God is Spirit!
Seems rather definitively clear enough for myself!
The Spirit of the Lord
The Holy Spirit
Spirit of GOD
It perfectly explains better why John 4: Christ claimed God is SPIRIT!
Christ [[was in Person FORM]] when saying God is Spirit!
Seems rather definitively clear enough for myself!
Jesus was is in-person form the Spirit of Christ is Eternal and has always been. The Godhead is a Holy mystery.
The Personification of GOd the Father the Creator and Spirit of Christ are facing to face singularly. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God that is a person because a force takes on NO personally or character. The Ocean has no personality yet it is a force, Water doesn't speak BUT our God does. a force doesn't get offended, and judges the nations a person DOES THAT. a force doesn't die a vicarious death as Jesus the person did that who is God in the flesh.
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