The TWO WITNESSES

i trying to say there is pattern disruption and words to ignore...The book is a hidden treasure.Maybe things that can't be explained in a short amount of time.Yea the Enoch thing tail bearer revel secrets,,the so called secrets of ?Tail bear people are always bad right?,,,More important faith love patience.As a matter of fact in patience we gain control of our soul.

Look man, the two witnesses if they are indeed human beings have a special connection to the Lord but that doesn't make them God. A mysterious connection no doubt...which I don't think can be properly understood except in a similar way that angels can be. They do the will of the Father. Need more be said?



I'll have to go back and look at that passage but though I do not recall "most honored"...it seems pretty irrelevant. It doesn't say "most honored of the Lord"...what does it matter that he was honored in his own family? At least when discussing your claim that things are said backwards?


If I recall aright, Jacob's sons slaughtered them all. Nor is the Lord's opinion really given on whether what they did was right or not. We do have Jacob's response and indeed I heard a sermon on how selfish he was recently, though I can't say I completely agree with the interpretation/extrapolation (with regard to a sermon base that is).

At least I don't recall if the Lord's response was given. As far as I can understand, what the son did by marrying the daughter and later making a convenant of circumcision in order to appease her brothers and "make it right" was reasonable considering they had little understanding of the Lord (as far as we know) and yet they were double crossed and killed.

True she was raped and from their perspective it was a matter of their sister's honor...but do we have her words? Raiding for wives is not an unknown concept historically is it?


I'm having fun going just from memory to be honest but I'll read through it tomorrow perhaps and see if anything else sticks out.



I realize I may be mincing words a bit and since English may not be your primary language perhaps I err by doing so...but while I can sort of see where you are coming from on something being said backward it just states a fact of where the son was positionally within his own family and MANY things can be extrapolated from that. What cannot be extrapolated is that the Lord approved of her rape.


Notice we don't have any words on God's opinion of what happened with Lot's daughters either. Only that it is recorded and I suppose you "might" presume his opinion based off what nations they became as the Lord's ultimate opinion but that's the only real clue as far as I can tell (which is an important clue nevertheless)



I'm not trying to come across as beating you over the head or anything by the way...it's just that your initial statement that I asked for clarification on you still haven't addressed. I get that some things are vague but Enoch was indeed human and God took him. He is mentioned in Hebrews and again in Jude. That's all we know. He lived before the flood and whatever you think about Hebraic numbering it appears that he lived 365 years (365 days x 365 days?) which is pretty nifty. He had children and so had a wife. He didn't die.

I would love to say I know more than I do about him but I don't see any way that further conjecture (beyond the topic of this thread and a few others) would NOT be "going beyond what is written" which is a scripture if you didn't know (since I have no idea what scripture you know and don't...I forget portions of Paul's letters often enough).

Anyway, it's late and I'll let someone else chime in if they care to regarding your statement.

They did not say she was raped they said that she was treated like a hor. This is a king James thing.My point is some times it's ok to say that does not sound right according to the context,,or even our heart but that of itself may not be enough.Bible are perfect,,,but not in the academic since.

Greetings . . .
Revelation 11:3 "And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

The church of God is still here on earth during this period of time, and the two witnesses will be witnessing for the entire thousand two hundred and threescore days during this final period. God is placing these two witnesses on earth for the sole purpose of witnessing for Him. They will warn all of mankind, and the "sackcloth" indicates that this warning of their sins is to be their only mission.

Notice also that the time of the two witnesses' witnessing are given in days. These witnesses are of the children of light, and their message is of God. When you compare the forty two months of Antichrist from Daniel 9, with the 1,260 days of the two witnesses, they are the same.

But does each one start at the same time? two prophets are dead for 3.5 days while the beast is still in power. Could that mean the 1260 days start 3.5 days before 42 months begin? That would result in the last 3.5 days of 42 months being when two prophets are dead in the streets.

Ok, I'll get back to you tomorrow then. I'm familiar with the shortcomings of the KJV and still prefer it for the most part. I do think some words should have been retranslated to be more clear (such as kill) when it is obvious what is meant in the Greek or Hebrew. Then again, maybe it's not so obvious and Strong's has biased me. What does that particular word mean in context? Are we sure it's clear? It's certainly not the same context as what happened with Judah and Tamar right?

I only use Strong's as an added modifier not the end point. So it's usually just additional data but I don't have the PC battery to continue this discussion for much longer.

I don't have a KJV handy without walking up the steps (lazy I know) but I also need some sleep lol and I feel like we could be at this a while.

This feels like splitting hairs in a certain sense (which I find diverting strangely) but again, can you explain your original statement (post 134) because I only jumped in because of that and since it is so serious, I would like an explanation.

Like, Jesus is in a believer but the believer is not Jesus. Bride of Christ but not the Bridegroom. Consider the word Christian itself. Do you mean things in that sense or are you suggesting a "pre-incarnation"?

I’m not sure if I understand your question, so if I don’t answer it right, please let me know. This is going to happen just prior to the gathering back to our Lord Jesus Christ. God is letting us know the events that mark the last three and a half days of this earth age.

additional note . . .
In other words, when the two witnesses are killed, the seventh trump will sound in three and a half days.

You didn't understand my question. I am saying is there might be a chance 1260 days starts a few days sooner than the 42 months does.

Well, the ones killed are the two prophets not all the people belonging to "two witnesses". The two witnesses are the two prophets and two churches and we don't know how many people are in those churches.

Two Olive trees are two annointed prophets and two candlesticks means two churches.

Are you referring to the two groups of people from the churches of Smyrna and Philadelphia—the ones God was pleased with?

I don’t think so; no.

Most likely they would be two churches....modern versions of them of course and likely not literal buildings but people that share things in common and may not be in place or even know each other.

Are you asking if the two Witnesses are appear a little bit before Satan appears? My answer would be yes.

continued from above . . .

Because the two witnesses come for 1290 days, whereas Satan only has 42 months (42 moons). The moon time is only 29 and a half days or so, and that's about 10 days short, overall—meaning that the two witnesses are here 10 days before the Antichrist comes. (my understanding)

Ok, but is the ministry still going on for last 3.5 days of 1260 days since

Ok, I think so too. I base it on the two prophets being dead for 3.5 days while beast is still in power during his 42 months. I believe ministry of two witnesses is therefore finished for those 3.5 days and of course the only thing next is the 7th trump.

They only have 1260 days not 1290:

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

wow.....speculation runs wild, theories amass.......it's so confusing.

Can I point out that there are two entity's that already honour and praise the Lord.
From the beginning of creation till the coming of Christ our Lord.....co-incidentally they were also suppressed (killed) but only for 1260 years...not as significant as 1260 days I know but worth noting......also around 50 million people died because of these two....lucky for us some of those people died trying to smuggle them out into the wilderness, luckier still through the strength given them by GOD they are prophesying even stronger today, and will continue to till the return of our saviour...(tribulation)

Daniel 12:11
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.