How many here believe the literal Word of God in the Bible

NAME ONE.

You're blowing wind and making empty assertions. You haven't provided a shred of actual evidence yet; only opinions and speculations.

You need to read more carefully. I haven't called you silly at all, though I do think that many of your ideas are silly.

Those are verses, not doctrines.

Already did.

read Ephesians 1:7 and Colossians 1:14. A certain doctrine that is included in Ephesians 1:7 is taken out of Colossians 1:14; and I would say that it is a rather important doctrine.

See post 163.

Likewise, I didn't say that you are an inferior god. I said that I think that the god that you believe in is inferior.

So, I guess that I didn't insult you, after all.

post #163:

The doctrine in question is "redemption through the blood of Christ".

Which is found directly stated in Ephesians 1:7 and Hebrews 9:12 of the NIV. It is further stated in Romans 3:24-25.

Gee, that looks like "two or three witnesses" to me.

Well me Ramon Sanchez,, i stop using the niv as my main bible because of certain passages such as
Translations for Luk 3:14
KJV says do no violence

Luk 3:14 NIV leaves that part out
Then some soldiers asked him, “And what should we do?” He replied, “Don’t extort money and don’t accuse people falsely—be content with your pay.”

























And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.

Niv

Likewise the soldiers asked him, saying, “And what shall we do?” So he said to them, “Do not intimidate anyone or accuse falsely, and be content with your wages.”

Do you know why the NIV does not have those words?

Yeah... my NIV contains Eph. 1:7. Maybe check your sources.

YES but ah not with precision i have dabbled with the textual criticism stuff.,,,,it's ah the Q rum stuff in that case if i had to guess.Its not always the same as the TR and the King James

Then I would make the point that the Holy Spirit inspired certain doctrines to be written in specific contexts.

Therefore, when a doctrine is taken out of a specific context (such as in Colossians 1:14), it detracts from the overall message of holy scripture; thus producing believers who are anemic spiritually.

Because it is also those who defend these modern translations who also say that immediate "context is king".

In context out of context but always buy the truth of the spirit,neither context nor totality because like if we understood all!!! and had not love we r nothing a vanity a chasing of the wind.Knowledge from what i understand do's not put you in the know. Knowledge puffs right?,,love gives one understanding. context is to understand a passage Totality to understand the the whole picture but love is to be god because that is the body of Jesus

Your reasoning is good, but you are missing an important point. These men who wrote what God told them expressed God in words they understood, and we can better understand what they wrote when we understand what those words meant to them.

As am example, they speak of salt. In ancient times they thought of salt in ways that differ from our ways. It was used to bind contracts as they each mixed their salt together and it could not be separated again.

Which is just speculation.

You still have provided no evidence to support this assertion.

Either step up and provide the evidence, or stop making the assertion.

No.

Whatever. I'm not going to wade through the hip-deep hogwash you invent in the name of Scripture.

It is certainly you prerogative to reject anything that I say.

However, I believe that the following scripture is given to me:

Jhn 15:20, Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

1Jo 4:6, We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

I fully agree with you, but first let's take a look at some meaning of the word literal.....in accordance with, involving, or being the primary or strict meaning of the word or words; not figurative or metaphorical: the literal meaning of a word. following the words of the original very closely and exactly:a literal translation of Goethe. true to fact; not exaggerated; actual or factual: a literal description of conditions. being actually such, without exaggeration or inaccuracy: the literal extermination of a city.
(of persons) tending to construe words in the strict sense or in an unimaginative way; matter-of-fact; prosaic.

Although we have the spiritual part of the word of God we have a the literal part that both have to work together. One must first learn the basic, which Jesus says in John 14: 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

This includes the Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week (Saturday). This also include, Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. (Exodus 20:3-8)

Now if one understand these Commandments and do them then a person can move forward to the spiritual parts of the word of God. Like what Paul says in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: (James 1: 23)

So being doer of the word of God is actually performing the spiritual part of the word of God.