The significance of Christ keeping the Law

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If I may interject...I don't believe that Justbyfaith is trying to say that we are justified by obeying the law, rather that through the law we become sin-conscious and aware of our need for a savior. This is how I came to know my deep need for His grace and mercy! How I became aware that I was a fallen sinner, doomed without a savior!
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His problem is he thinks AFTER we come to faith. We need to keep following the law. It is the means of sanctification. After one is led to justification.

Its still legalism. It still waters down the law. And still does not see the true perfect standard of God
 
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Duckybill said:
It's not really difficult to quote verses. You know you don't obey Moses. I doubt that anyone here does.
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No one can (Galatians 6:13).

the law was given and is preached to drive men to the Cross. As soon as they understand they can't keep the law, the only method of salvation is clear; that they place their faith in Christ.
 
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The law of sin and death was nailed to the cross...get used to it!
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Amen

Now lets turn to a better law. The law of grace and love.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
His problem is he thinks AFTER we come to faith. We need to keep following the law. It is the means of sanctification. After one is led to justification.

Its still legalism. It still waters down the law. And still does not see the true perfect standard of God
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Yes, the law sanctifies in that the Holy Spirit utilizes it to pinpoint sin in our lives (Romans 3:20) so that we can confess it and be forgiven and cleansed from all unrighteousness (sanctification)...1 John 1:7-9.
 
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justbyfaith said:
No one can (Galatians 6:13).

the law was given and is preached to drive men to the Cross. As soon as they understand they can't keep the law, the only method of salvation is clear; that they place their faith in Christ.
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We have the New Covenant. I'll stick with it! Do you know what "obsolete" means?

Hebrews 8:13 (NKJV)
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete.
 
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Duckybill said:
You don't obey the Law of Moses, you never did.
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Correct. for no one can keep the law of Moses. We preach it so that men will be driven to the Cross of Christ as soon as they see that they cannot keep the law.
 
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How many of you obey the Law of Moses?

Exodus 31:15 (NKJV)
15 Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Oh that's right, nobody!
 
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Duckybill said:
We have the New Covenant. I'll stick with it! Do you know what "obsolete" means?

Hebrews 8:13 (NKJV)
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete.
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The law is written on the hearts and minds of believers under the New Covenant (see the context of your verse in Hebrews 8:8-10)
 
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justbyfaith said:
Correct. for no one can keep the law of Moses. We preach it so that men will be driven to the Cross of Christ as soon as they see that they cannot keep the law.
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You preach executing gays?
 
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Duckybill said:
How many of you obey the Law of Moses?

Exodus 31:15 (NKJV)
15 Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Oh that's right, nobody!
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Agreed.

We preach Galatians 3:10 therefore.
 
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justbyfaith said:
The law is written on the hearts and minds of believers under the New Covenant (see the context of your verse in Hebrews 8:8-10)
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So you preach the Law but don't keep it. What's wrong with this picture?
 
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Duckybill said:
We have the New Covenant. I'll stick with it! Do you know what "obsolete" means?

Hebrews 8:13 (NKJV)
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete.
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But then again, Paul said this in Rom. 3:31,

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law."

The reason Paul said this is the reason JBF is not being understood!
 
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But then again, Paul said this in Rom. 3:31,

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law."

The reason Paul said this is the reason JBF is not being understood!
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JBF is being understood quite well.

Why you continue to defend him is not understood, unless you believe like him. Which means you are in trouble

We establish the law through faith why? The law leads to christ, when we come to christ, as the law leads us to him we establish it

When we try to find justification or sanctification by the law. We are not establishing the law. We misinterpret the law and are in serious trouble
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
JBF is being understood quite well.

Why you continue to defend him is not understood, unless you believe like him. Which means you are in trouble

We establish the law through faith why? The law leads to christ, when we come to christ, as the law leads us to him we establish it

When we try to find justification or sanctification by the law. We are not establishing the law. We misinterpret the law and are in serious trouble
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What did Paul mean by we don't make void the Law, we establish it, e-g?
 
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