Galatians 3:10 vs. Psalm 119:1

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Blik

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Gal: 3:10 "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: 'Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law'"

Psalm 119:1 Blessed are those whose ways are blameless, who walk according to the law of the LORD.

Is God disagreeing with God?
 

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Gal: 3:10 "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: 'Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law'"

Psalm 119:1 Blessed are those whose ways are blameless, who walk according to the law of the LORD.

Is God disagreeing with God?
No. When we read the NT, we discover that there are none who are blameless and none who walk according to God's law. The whole point of the Law was to demonstrate that we cannot keep it.

When the Law was introduced, it was with both blessing and cursing. Israel as a nation agreed. (Deuteronomy 28). When you look at both blessing and cursing, you could be excused for thinking that no one would dare disobey the Law. Yet that was Israel's constant condition. So for most of Israel's existence, cursing was the norm. God was quick to restore blessing when the people repented, but it was short lived.

The Law is not the problem, it is the sinful nature of man that is the problem. No one obeys the Law perfectly, not even Paul, the elite of Pharisees. It's one thing to know what to do or not do. It is entirely another to put it into practice. If we could obey the Law, Lord Jesus died for nothing. That's the reality.
 
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"Man Is Condemned Already . . . "

Galatians 5:18, "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life." (KJV)
 

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The Law is not the problem, it is the sinful nature of man that is the problem. No one obeys the Law perfectly
if there is no such man, then why does the Psalm sing of the man who is blameless, that walks according to the law of the LORD?
 

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No. When we read the NT, we discover that there are none who are blameless and none who walk according to God's law. The whole point of the Law was to demonstrate that we cannot keep it.

When the Law was introduced, it was with both blessing and cursing. Israel as a nation agreed. (Deuteronomy 28). When you look at both blessing and cursing, you could be excused for thinking that no one would dare disobey the Law. Yet that was Israel's constant condition. So for most of Israel's existence, cursing was the norm. God was quick to restore blessing when the people repented, but it was short lived.

The Law is not the problem, it is the sinful nature of man that is the problem. No one obeys the Law perfectly, not even Paul, the elite of Pharisees. It's one thing to know what to do or not do. It is entirely another to put it into practice. If we could obey the Law, Lord Jesus died for nothing. That's the reality.
So you think scripture is telling you that there is only one point ("the whole point") to God giving us the law, and when God tells us that man is blessed when man follows it, it truly is not so?

God says he blesses those who listen to the law, do you think that is not so because man can't do it perfectly? Do you think man's lack of ability to keep the law cancels any scripture telling us the law is good?
 

Gideon300

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So you think scripture is telling you that there is only one point ("the whole point") to God giving us the law, and when God tells us that man is blessed when man follows it, it truly is not so?

God says he blesses those who listen to the law, do you think that is not so because man can't do it perfectly? Do you think man's lack of ability to keep the law cancels any scripture telling us the law is good?
What is the point of demanding something of an individual that they cannot do? There is only one reason. That person needs to know their limitations.

1 Timothy 1:5-11

"The goal of our instruction is the love that comes from a pure heart, a clear conscience, and a sincere faith. Some have strayed from these ways and turned aside to empty talk. They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not understand what they are saying or that which they so confidently assert.

Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it legitimately. We realize that law is not enacted for the righteous, but for the lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for killers of father or mother, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for homosexuals, for slave traders and liars and perjurers, and for anyone else who is averse to sound teaching that agrees with the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."

God declares me to be righteous because of the Lord Jesus and what He has done, not what I have done. I came to Christ 50 years ago because the Holy Spirit convicted me that I was a sinner. I did not know the commandments. Obedience is to Lord Jesus, not just a set of rules. The rich young ruler found that out.

You changed your point part way through. You said that following the law leads to blessing. Then you listening to the law is a blessing. Make up your mind. And you are wrong on both counts. I listened to a preacher who was a pulpit pounding legalist who considered himself to be a modern Moses. He was leading his rebellious church through the wilderness. All I got out of that was condemned. The Lord told me to get out of the Old Testament and stay in the new. There is no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus.

King Saul knew what war was about. He had armour and weapons suitable to a king. Yet he would not face Goliath. David had weapons to suit a shepherd. He had no armour and no sword. He used what God showed him to use and he defeated Goliath. In reality, Goliath had no hope. A sling and a stone were as effective as a rifle in modern times.

Saul tried to saddle David with his (Saul's) armour. That's like trying to saddle the born again with legalism. I got free of that and there is no way anyone is going to drag me back into that bondage. My weapons are the Sword of the Spirit and I have the breastplate of righteousness that comes by faith, not by law.
 

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It seems it is likely the law or the laws which come together to make up what is Love are to be followed by the new nature given us by our Father.

All other laws are fulfilled by our Savior. You know, priesthood, the Tmple and dietary laws, and more. If you read a law and it does not contain mercy, it also is excluded.

If a believer does not yet know the law and how it is to be understod, he is not guilty when transgressing it, however dI do believe the laws combining to make love are wonderful and a blessing They teach us how to imitaqte our Example and direct our paths to the Kingdom. God bless all in Jesus Yeshua, and all who are coming to Him, amen.
 
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Gal: 3:10 "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: 'Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law'"

Psalm 119:1 Blessed are those whose ways are blameless, who walk according to the law of the LORD.

Is God disagreeing with God?
Those passages are relevant within their time and context, but isolated and stood beside each other does not create a contradiction. At one point (in the past) the law was necessary, but now (in the present day) the law isn't necessary for the same reasons it was in the past.

Probably the most interesting passage from Galatians 3, which is an interesting chapter, is

Gal. 3:23-25
23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
 

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Good morning. . .

There were precise laws and restrictions in the law delivered at Sinai, beginning with the Ten Commandments.

God's Law, on the other hand, is so much more. It is the entirety of His written Word. All of God's holy Word's precepts are correct. They are the Law of God. The LORD is our protector, the Word, and the Law. He is the way, the Truth, and the Light that directs us. So then, we must claim our rightful inheritance—His promises. And we must study and learn about all of His attributes—His mercy and compassion, as well as all of His other awesomely wonderful attributes.

Blessed are the undefiled in the way, Who walk in the law of the LORD! Blessed are those who keep His testimonies, Who seek Him with the whole heart! They also do no iniquity; They walk in His ways. You have commanded us To keep Your precepts diligently. Oh, that my ways were directed To keep Your statutes! Then I would not be ashamed, When I look into all Your commandments. I will praise You with uprightness of heart, When I learn Your righteous judgments. I will keep Your statutes; Oh, do not forsake me utterly! How can a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed according to Your word. With my whole heart I have sought You; Oh, let me not wander from Your commandments! Your word I have hidden in my heart, That I might not sin against You! Blessed are You, O LORD! Teach me Your statutes! With my lips I have declared All the judgments of Your mouth. I have rejoiced in the way of Your testimonies, As much as in all riches. I will meditate on Your precepts, And contemplate Your ways. I will delight myself in Your statutes; I will not forget Your word.
-Psalm 119:1-16
 
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Gal: 3:10 "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: 'Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law'"

Psalm 119:1 Blessed are those whose ways are blameless, who walk according to the law of the LORD.

Is God disagreeing with God?
In a house, there is a sewage back stop in the basement and skylight in the penthouse. In the penthouse, you are guaranteed at least 12 hours of daylight, while the basement could be in constant darkness. Same house different lighting situation.
 

JaumeJ

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A person is under the law who tries to follow all of the law.

Under grace we study the law and learn which come together to make up love. Those we have the pleasure of doing our best to follow.

If a law does not contain mercy, it is not grace therefor it is fulfilled in our Lord's most perfect work for us on the cross.

By a very simple scanning of the laws, anyone will understand most are fulfilled by our Lord, Jesus Yeshua.

If a person is so blind as to not see that they cannot be followed any more because our Lord did it for us making th elaws of priesthood, the Temple, the laws of Israel as a country, and more are no longer valid for they were finished by Yeshua.

Now to say thaqt while under grace we are not to do our very best to obey thelaws qhich make up love, is simply a fool's visiona, for when Yeshua tells us to love and we say ys Master, we are to obey the laws making up love. We have our Lord as a constant advocate for us in Heaven. Please do not make up some kind of excuse to say all of the laws are abolished for were this so, we would not be commanded to love. God bless all in the truth of Yeshua, amen.
 

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Those passages are relevant within their time and context, but isolated and stood beside each other does not create a contradiction. At one point (in the past) the law was necessary, but now (in the present day) the law isn't necessary for the same reasons it was in the past.

Probably the most interesting passage from Galatians 3, which is an interesting chapter, is

Gal. 3:23-25
23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
I Agree with what you say here ---There is no contradiction between between these 2 Scriptures ----God did not disagree with Himself ------

Gal: 3:10 "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: 'Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law'"

Psalm 119:1 Blessed are those whose ways are blameless, who walk according to the law of the LORD.
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I say -----Gal:3 is in the New Testament ----where all those who have received Jesus are not under the law but under Grace and are under the Blessings ---the unbelievers are still under the curse of the law -----

Psalms 119:1 ---is in the Old testament and the law keeping is required --This verse is telling the Israelites that there is only one way to have the peace and protection of God and the Blessings of God is to Follow His laws ---otherwise the Curse awaits the disobedient ----

--We have to understand that in the Old Testament God The Father dealt directly with His faithful Servants ------and we need to understand that The Israelites wanted rules from God and said they would follow them ---so God gave them the 10 Commandments ----So the Isarelites brought in the 10 Commands themselves -----God already knew they couldn't keep them---but because of their pride the Israelits thought it would be easy to keep them -----God gave them the laws to show their sin -----the law actually brings your Sin into the Light ------

Exodus 19 NIV ----read all for yourselves to get the Context of this Scripture ----
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus 19&version=NIV

At Mount Sinai

3 Then Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain and said, “This is what you are to say to the descendants of Jacob and what you are to tell the people of Israel: 4 ‘You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt, and how I carried you on eagles’ wings and brought you to myself. 5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, 6 you[a] will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”

7 So Moses went back and summoned the elders of the people and set before them all the words the Lord had commanded him to speak. 8 The people all responded together, “We will do everything the Lord has said.” So Moses brought their answer back to the Lord.

I say ------so we see the people agreed to do everything God has said ------now the 10 Commandments were not the only laws God was talking about ----altogether there are 613 Laws and the Book of James says if you broke one law you broke them all -----so it was impossible for any human to keep the law and that is the same today -----and God had put the Blessings and Curses in place for not obeying Him and for Obeying Him -----So the Laws actually kept the Israelites under the Curses of disobedience because they could'n keep all the laws-----The Gentiles were not included in the laws given ---only God's Chosen nation was included ----

We have to understand that without laws there is no transgression ----you can see that with Cain who killed his brother Able ----and God said Able's Blood is crying out ----and He warns Cain that sin is crouching at his door and he must learn to master it -----Genesis 4 gives you Cain and Able -----God did Curse Cain as just punishment but He also put His mark on him for protection ------God showed His love and Mercy big time for Cain ---Cain didn't transgress any Law ---but he did disobey God with the offering he brought before him and allowed the spirit of envy and jealousy to overtake him as God liked Able's offering but not his ----

Romans 4 Niv ----see verse 15 --read the Chapter for yourselves

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans 4&version=NIV

13 It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14 For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, 15 because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression

i say
Jesus came to Fulfil all 613 laws and to bring the Blessing back ----under the New Covenant of Grace which is a better Covenant

The Mosaic Covenant ---the Law ---required 2 parties --we keep or not keep commands --God gives us blessings or curses ----this Covenant is worked Based

New Covenant of Grace --God is the only party ---Jesus bore all for us --all we have to do is receive by faith what God has already made available ----the Blessings are in place -----our sins are forgiven if we receive Jesus as our Lord and saviour ----which is free --we did nothing to deserve the free Graced gift of Salvation ---we didn't earn it by keep the laws ----this Covenant is Graced Based ---big difference -----

We Christians now have a mediator --Jesus ---the Son ---who goes to His Father on our behalf ---
 

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Gal: 3:10 "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: 'Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law'"

Psalm 119:1 Blessed are those whose ways are blameless, who walk according to the law of the LORD.

Is God disagreeing with God?
the prophets are speaking forward to Christ and Gods law

“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The law of God isn’t Moses word even Moses foretold this

“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭18:18-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Moses is speaking of a future prophet who would speak Gods words

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:22-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Moses words were always temporary until the promised one came to speak Gods words to the people the law of Moses was only an earthly pattern Gods law is what Jesus said

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the Bible speaks of two seperate covenant laws one has been fulfilled the other is Gods word
 

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People get confused because they think the 10 commandments and law of the Lord are the same thing.

They obviously are not.


The 10 commandments give condemnation and death.

The Law of the Lord gives Righteousness, eternal life, Love, Joy and Peace.


The 10 commandments do not equal the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus.

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Only Wisdom and Discernment given from the Lord can show this. Pharisees and Legalists will fight this tooth and nail in order to justify their continued work at the 10 commandments.

Not sure exactly why. The scriptures are pretty simple and direct.
 

studentoftheword

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Granpa ----you said---- The Law of the Lord gives Righteousness, eternal life, Love, Joy and Peace.

I re read what I wrote for Psalms 119 -----and you are right------ it is not talking the laws God gave -----actually that psalm is talking about The Transforming power of the Scriptures -----

So I stand corrected ---thank you for your post -----we are to rightly divide the word ===so thanks for catching that ----
 

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People get confused because they think the 10 commandments and law of the Lord are the same thing.

They obviously are not.


The 10 commandments give condemnation and death.

The Law of the Lord gives Righteousness, eternal life, Love, Joy and Peace.


The 10 commandments do not equal the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus.

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Only Wisdom and Discernment given from the Lord can show this. Pharisees and Legalists will fight this tooth and nail in order to justify their continued work at the 10 commandments.

Not sure exactly why. The scriptures are pretty simple and direct.
i could Not agree more the scriptures tell Us in minute detail the separation of the two covenants most often referred two

they are as different as life and death , eternal And temporary , flesh and spirit , heaven and earth fruits of salvstion and chains of condemnation , being held guilty on death row or being pardoned through repentance and set free from prison

the New Testament and old sort of explain one another and the vast difference in purpose and seperation

some would say “ they are all true words and that’s true but they are also part of an unfolding plan through time to redeem Mankind from sin and death not hold us under it

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

every sinner would always be a sinner condemned under the law

“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The oldness and letter

“And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient. And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you concerning all these words.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭24:7-8

the spirit and truth

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But there have always been those of the law

“But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

it’s a king chapter but they decide the law isn’t something for the church doctrine

…..Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15:5-6, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Its blindness because of a veil given to Israel through the law to hide Thier sins from God and his face from them it’s hard to let go of something you believe though we all know different details of things and it’s often hard to hear others
 

Blik

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What is the point of demanding something of an individual that they cannot do? There is only one reason. That person needs to know their limitations.

1 Timothy 1:5-11

"The goal of our instruction is the love that comes from a pure heart, a clear conscience, and a sincere faith. Some have strayed from these ways and turned aside to empty talk. They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not understand what they are saying or that which they so confidently assert.

Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it legitimately. We realize that law is not enacted for the righteous, but for the lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for killers of father or mother, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for homosexuals, for slave traders and liars and perjurers, and for anyone else who is averse to sound teaching that agrees with the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."

God declares me to be righteous because of the Lord Jesus and what He has done, not what I have done. I came to Christ 50 years ago because the Holy Spirit convicted me that I was a sinner. I did not know the commandments. Obedience is to Lord Jesus, not just a set of rules. The rich young ruler found that out.

You changed your point part way through. You said that following the law leads to blessing. Then you listening to the law is a blessing. Make up your mind. And you are wrong on both counts. I listened to a preacher who was a pulpit pounding legalist who considered himself to be a modern Moses. He was leading his rebellious church through the wilderness. All I got out of that was condemned. The Lord told me to get out of the Old Testament and stay in the new. There is no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus.

King Saul knew what war was about. He had armour and weapons suitable to a king. Yet he would not face Goliath. David had weapons to suit a shepherd. He had no armour and no sword. He used what God showed him to use and he defeated Goliath. In reality, Goliath had no hope. A sling and a stone were as effective as a rifle in modern times.

Saul tried to saddle David with his (Saul's) armour. That's like trying to saddle the born again with legalism. I got free of that and there is no way anyone is going to drag me back into that bondage. My weapons are the Sword of the Spirit and I have the breastplate of righteousness that comes by faith, not by law.[/QUOTE Christ is teaching us how to live for Him, it important instructions. If you were going to a golf pro for instructions in how to play golf would you ask him why he was trying to teach you for you are not doing exactly as he says?

I think you are having the breastplate of your own idea of righteousness or you would not resist what the Lord tells you is righteous
 

Blik

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i could Not agree more the scriptures tell Us in minute detail the separation of the two covenants most often referred two

they are as different as life and death , eternal And temporary , flesh and spirit , heaven and earth fruits of salvstion and chains of condemnation , being held guilty on death row or being pardoned through repentance and set free from prison

the New Testament and old sort of explain one another and the vast difference in purpose and seperation

some would say “ they are all true words and that’s true but they are also part of an unfolding plan through time to redeem Mankind from sin and death not hold us under it

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

every sinner would always be a sinner condemned under the law

“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The oldness and letter

“And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient. And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you concerning all these words.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭24:7-8

the spirit and truth

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But there have always been those of the law

“But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

it’s a king chapter but they decide the law isn’t something for the church doctrine

…..Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15:5-6, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Its blindness because of a veil given to Israel through the law to hide Thier sins from God and his face from them it’s hard to let go of something you believe though we all know different details of things and it’s often hard to hear others
You are a blessing, giving us the words of the Lord. Thanks.
 

Nehemiah6

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Is God disagreeing with God?
No. God is simply telling you that if you cannot obey the Law 100% of the time, you will remain under the curse of sin and death. Which is why we have the Gospel.
 

Blik

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Those passages are relevant within their time and context, but isolated and stood beside each other does not create a contradiction. At one point (in the past) the law was necessary, but now (in the present day) the law isn't necessary for the same reasons it was in the past. r.
Would you please show where scripture teaches such things? I have read that God is eternal and never changes, not that God's word is subject to be listened to differently at different ages. The one change is told of in Jeremiah 31:31, and that says the change was in the way the law (the same unchanged law) was given, changing from given in stone to given in our hearts. The law in stone means it is a lasting law as stone is lasting, but given without love as stone has no love and God is love. Christ explained the difference in the sermon on the mount, and Christ also explained he did not change the law but fulfilled it, meaning he made it complete.