How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

When I say "Second Coming", I am referring to the second time He touches down on Earth. I agree that Jesus will have already came into clouds seven years prior to fulfill the Rapture.

Thank you so much for all your previous posts which are so clear, concise, and Biblically correct.

One question - Do you believe we, the Church, will accompany those clothed in clean white linen as He comes back down to establish His Millennial Reign? (You referred to His army as angels).

Yes but it couldn't be more clearly stated
Revs 20 4
These are the martyrs of the Great Tribulation they will reign in heaven with Christ for a thousand years ...this is the first resurrection or the resurrection of the just [those in Christ at His coming] blessed and holy are they.

After the 1, 000 years there is a short sharp battle then comes the general resurrection unto judgement.

Those who are shown in the first resurrection had been pursued and persecuted and executed for not receiving the mark. This is the Great Tribulation.

Did you not read?
Rev. 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

I say this large group is the church, raptured just before wrath (6th seal) as Paul states.
If you don't believe this is the church, can you prove it is not by scripture?

"of all nations:" will the rapture include people of all nations? CHECK!
"of all kindreds:" will the rapture include people of all kindreds? CHECK!
"of all ...people and tongues:" will the rapture include people of all nations? CHECK!
"stood before the throne, and before the Lamb" Will the raptured church stand before the throne and the Lamb? CHECK!
"with white robes:" will the raptured church be given white robes? Without a doubt!

Just think: perhaps 50 generations of believers - billions upon billions of people in one place at one time. The raptured church will be by far the largest group mentioned in Revelation. Just to compare, it would take one person, counting one person every second, 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, nearly 130 years to count to ONE billion. No wonder John said too large to count.

OF COURSE there will be a rapture before the timing of Revelation chapter 20 when John mentions the chief of two resurrections.

All the righteous will be a part of this first or chief of resurrections, Jesus included, around 2000 years ago.

Actually, verse 4 includes more than the beheaded.

"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them "
Who are these seen seated on thrones? They are both the OT and NT saints, all with resurrection bodies.

"and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded "
These are those who were left behind at the pretrib rapture but then turned to Christ, and then were captured by the Beast. They refused the mark and/or refused to bow to his image, so were beheaded.

"they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. "
WHO lived and reigned with Christ? Both groups of saints.

I believe heaven will be emptied when He comes to Armageddon; both the NT saints and OT saints will be coming with Him on white horses. You are welcome.

There is a problem with your stipulation of touching down. Paul called His coming for the church a "coming."

Very good then.

You can call it Three Comings if you like. Never heard anyone call it that, though.

Godspeed.

There is no separate Harvest that separates the HARVEST.

No where in the Gospels, the Apostles writings or Revelation are there separate Harvests.

Now my Beloved Brother in Christ, do you see how chapter 6 plays out - Six Seals that are chronological according to the Scriptures.

Pay close attention to the Fifth Seal.

When you get back to me - less is better - i prefer short, precise, one at a time, elements of TRUTH.

Just like the LORD said: Here a little, there a little - building Truth upon Truth until the complete Picture is SEEN.

Thank You, Brother

Hebrews 9:28
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Which "coming" verse would this be a parallel to: His Rev. 19 coming or His 1 Thes. 4 coming?

I believe it parallels His 1 Thes. 4 coming, which according to Paul will be BEFORE the Day of the Lord or the Day of His wrath, and of course before His wrath. In Revelation that must be before the Day of His wrath at the 6th seal.

How amazing then, John saw the raptured church in heaven shortly after the 6th seal - as the great crowd too large to number.

Timing of the gathering/rapturing is exactly the same in these two passages.
Sorry, but you are reading into Paul's scripture what is not there. You may imagine it is in timing alignment with Matthew 24, but imagination does not prove anything. Paul tells us (not in so many words) that his gathering will come before the Day and before Wrath. It would then be impossible for it to happen any time AFTER the Day of His wrath begins at the 6th seal.

There can be no doubt that in His Armageddon coming, Rev. 19, He comes to the ground to the Battle of Armageddon.

I am not afraid to say that His coming to Armageddon will be His third coming.

There is no third coming. The second coming is the last one. It is described multiple times in the bible but it is clear error to count each one as a separate coming.

If I said that Jesus came into my heart to stay several years ago, would someone have kittens over that as well??

We are discussing physical arrivals of Christ not metaphors and symbolisms.

I agree, except for "2nd advent." I believe this (Rev. 19 coming) will be His THIRD coming. Why? Because his second coming will be as shown in 1 Thes. 4.

I believe TIME will be church age -> rapture -> and instantly after, "Day of the Lord."

I think Paul tells us this in 1 Thes. 4 & 5.

obtw, Jesus did return to the planet Earth to rule and reign 1000 years.

Your analysis is interesting but we must also deal with the coming of Christ with his armies in the clouds ...which is preparatory to His arrival....or 2nd advent.

Your analysis is interesting but we must also deal with the coming of Christ with his armies in the clouds ...which is preparatory to His arrival....or 2nd advent. This is presented in scriptures as the coming for the battle of Armageddon.

No, he didn't. That is full Preterism and it's a heresy.