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HillsboroMom

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Germany reverting to their Nazi fascism!
Except that during the fascism of the early 20th century, they were trying to kill people, and now they're trying to prevent people from being killed.

You think it's okay to have the freedom to kill someone else.

I happen to disagree.

For people who normally claim to be "pro-life," even if that means limiting the rights of certain people (women), I'm surprised to find so many Christians claiming that one individual's freedom is more important than another individual's right to live.

Y'all are fine telling women they have to sacrifice 9 months of their lives to allow babies the right to be born. (And most of us Christian women are happy to do so!) But you won't take a little, painless jab in the arm, whose side effects last 12-24 hours, to save all of your friends and family?

Hypocrite much?
 

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Curious ... the anti-vaxers are making 2 opposing arguments. 1 is that all these 'variants' aren't really any different from the original virus, they are just being marketed as such to scare people into getting the jabs. 2 is that the vax won't work on viruses because viruses adapt and mutate too quickly to be controlled jabs.

So which is it ... do viruses mutate or not???
Yeah.

Almost as stupid as the two arguments the pro lethal injection folks are making.

1. “ The unaxxed need to get the first jabs so they’ll be safe from the virus “

2. “The vaxxed need a third and even a fourth booster because the first two wear off and aren’t working “
 

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Except that during the fascism of the early 20th century, they were trying to kill people, and now they're trying to prevent people from being killed.

You think it's okay to have the freedom to kill someone else.

I happen to disagree.

For people who normally claim to be "pro-life," even if that means limiting the rights of certain people (women), I'm surprised to find so many Christians claiming that one individual's freedom is more important than another individual's right to live.

Y'all are fine telling women they have to sacrifice 9 months of their lives to allow babies the right to be born. (And most of us Christian women are happy to do so!) But you won't take a little, painless jab in the arm, whose side effects last 12-24 hours, to save all of your friends and family?

Hypocrite much?
Again. This type of argument is stupid on steroids.

The vaxxed took the lethal injections so they wouldn’t get the virus.

You’re safe right? You got the injections.

So how does a pure blood unvaxxed represent a threat to you or any other vaxxed?
 

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Ummm ... first, that is the definition of anecdotal. You heard? From whom? From the sister? From someone who knows the sister? From the doctor or nurse who was helping the sister? How reliable is this source? You can't even say who it is who you heard from, so how reliable can an un-named source be?
This sister in the church, her sister in the flesh texted us today to say she had died and she had been on a ventilator. We know the sister so we know she got vaccinated and that she felt compelled to do so.

Second, died from what?
Good luck with that, you think a doctor is going to lose his job by saying you died from the vaccine.

This is why a lot of ignorance is muddying up the water. When you have an experimental vaccine (this vaccine is experimental don't let them lie to you saying it isn't) then you are supposed to document every single adverse health result to those who are vaccinated regardless of whether or not you can directly say what the cause was. We will then use statistical analysis to determine if there were statistically significant adverse reactions that need to be investigated.

Yesterday, after praying, I got a splitting headache. Therefore prayer causes headaches.

That's ridiculous, isn't it?

It's significantly LESS ridiculous than you saying "someone said that someone else died after getting a vaccine. Therefore the vaccine is bad."

How many people have died from NOT getting the vaccine? MILLIONS!!!! How many have died after getting the vaccine? Well, certainly many. People die every day. They die from all sorts of things -- heart disease, cancer, accidents, murder, etc. Some of them died after getting the vaccine. Some of them died from a complication arising from the vaccine. Like, 3 or 4 out of the billion of vaccines that have been given out.

In other words, your chances of dying from a complication from the vaccine is several THOUSANDS of times smaller than your chance of getting a serious case of COVID, dying from it, giving it to other people, and killing all of them from it as well.
I have seen quite a few peer reviewed scientific studies that dispute that claim. But if you would like to post your own peer reviewed study from some medical journal feel free. Till then this claim will be given the respect it deserves.

So if you're okay with murdering other people, then don't get the vaccine.

I'm not really okay with hurting other people, so I got vaccinated.
Wow! You have definitely been watching too much TV. I suggest turning off CNN and MSNBC immediately.

Still I am happy you said you are not OK with hurting other people. Stand strong with that conviction during the tribulation when they are decapitating those who refuse the mark of the beast.
 

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I'm wondering if there's anyone here who has gotten one or more doses of any vaccine and has developed negative side effects from it?

It's all well and good to say "I heard that" or "people say that," but without actual evidence, hearsay is just rumors.
My best friends twin sister ended up in the hospital after she was forced to take the jab or lose her job.
 

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Except that during the fascism of the early 20th century, they were trying to kill people, and now they're trying to prevent people from being killed.
Precious!:ROFL::LOL::ROFL::LOL::ROFL::LOL: Thank you for that laugh.

You think it's okay to have the freedom to kill someone else.

I happen to disagree.

For people who normally claim to be "pro-life," even if that means limiting the rights of certain people (women), I'm surprised to find so many Christians claiming that one individual's freedom is more important than another individual's right to live.

Y'all are fine telling women they have to sacrifice 9 months of their lives to allow babies the right to be born. (And most of us Christian women are happy to do so!) But you won't take a little, painless jab in the arm, whose side effects last 12-24 hours, to save all of your friends and family?

Hypocrite much?
Wow! Someone please tell me I am really reading this right.

1. Hillsboro Mom accuses those who are not getting vaccinated as thinking it is OK to kill someone else and then calls them hypocrites because unlike her they are against killing babies.
 

ZNP

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I'd rather pay a fine than take the jab.

Sounds more like they're interested in lining their pockets than the "health" of the people if they're giving an "out" via monetary fine. 🧐
I would rather move.
 

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I'm wondering if there's anyone here who has gotten one or more doses of any vaccine and has developed negative side effects from it?

It's all well and good to say "I heard that" or "people say that," but without actual evidence, hearsay is just rumors.
And on the flip side, many, MANY, people in my church and social circle have had Covid and the only death I'm aware of was my cousin. And there has been zero word on whether she had the vax before she died. I assume she had the shot as she was the type to comply without question.

So. How many people do you know who died from Covid?
 

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And what do you do about CRT, or election fraud, or the chaos being caused by decriminalizing shoplifting?

This advice to not have anything to do with either is the same thing as telling people to leave the world because it is filled with adulterers. The Lord said we are to be in the world but not of the world. Your teaching tells us to go to some monastery.
I'm teaching you to listen to God.

He told us where the world will end up, and that there's no way we can vote/pray/stomp our feet to get out from under His prophecies. The best we can do is be prepared for it, not fight it.

I'm also teaching you that embracing sin is NOT ok just because its 'the lesser sin".

I'm reminding you that He said in the last days people would rise up usurping His Name to lead believers astray.

I'll also remind you that He said many will turn away from Him because they were not prepared for what is to come.

And that He calls His Bride to flee the ways of the world.

2 Timothy 2:3 We are called to be good soldiers of Christ, and soldiers DO NOT GET INVOLVED IN CVILIAN AFFAIRS.

So yes, the time has come to excuse ourselves from this process and to be no part of it.

And if you have to join a monastery to do that, then enjoy your stay!
 

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Yeah.

Almost as stupid as the two arguments the pro lethal injection folks are making.

1. “ The unaxxed need to get the first jabs so they’ll be safe from the virus “

2. “The vaxxed need a third and even a fourth booster because the first two wear off and aren’t working “
A valid argument ... that didn't answer the question.
 

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My husband and I got our shots. We are fine. Eveyone in our family did as well and they are all fine. What do you fear?
If this continues, we will onlly get stronger and stronger variants.

If you are prolife, then show it. I personaly lost my very best friend to this disease and I know of others. My daugher also knows people who havedied.
At the very least watch this video ...

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-dorset-58080116

If this saves just one life, then it was wroth posting.
Thank you forreading.
Please, please, please get of my lap about it. My healthcare is none of your business, and I've had it, I'm more "vaccinated" than your whole family, even if they will not acknowledge the science and truth of natural immunity. Can you give me the numbers for people being infected again after gaining natural immunity? Because I can't because they hide that number, and did you know more people have died from Covid this year, since the vaccine was dropped, and more people are dying now than when we didn't have it. What if it's the half vaccinated with aborted baby stem cell matter in their bodies (the stem cell comment was a bit tongue in cheek to be clear) people causing the variants.

Look you wanted it and got it. Good for you, but stop worrying about what I put in my body. Please. I trust God and do not trust any of these tyrant liars trying to force government tyranny on me. If you think this Vac is anything more than a huge power grab tactic then you need to wake up. Hope you don'
 

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And on the flip side, many, MANY, people in my church and social circle have had Covid and the only death I'm aware of was my cousin. And there has been zero word on whether she had the vax before she died. I assume she had the shot as she was the type to comply without question.

So. How many people do you know who died from Covid?
I know of two.
 

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I'm teaching you to listen to God.

He told us where the world will end up, and that there's no way we can vote/pray/stomp our feet to get out from under His prophecies. The best we can do is be prepared for it, not fight it.
Wow! OK where did I talk about praying, voting or stomping my feet to get out from under the prophesies?

I'm also teaching you that embracing sin is NOT ok just because its 'the lesser sin".
Wow! OK where did I talk about embracing sin?

I'm reminding you that He said in the last days people would rise up usurping His Name to lead believers astray.

I'll also remind you that He said many will turn away from Him because they were not prepared for what is to come.

And that He calls His Bride to flee the ways of the world.

2 Timothy 2:3 We are called to be good soldiers of Christ, and soldiers DO NOT GET INVOLVED IN CVILIAN AFFAIRS.

So yes, the time has come to excuse ourselves from this process and to be no part of it.

And if you have to join a monastery to do that, then enjoy your stay!
OK, so we do have a verse here to refer to. No verse is of its own interepretation. The same person who wrote 2 Timothy told us to "occupy till He comes". I was a teacher, did that mean I became entangled in the affairs of this life? What about a policeman, are you advising every person who gets saved to quit their jobs?

All of these verses align very well with my use of the Lord's word "we are in the world but not of the world". Was Daniel entangled with the civilian affairs?

Because if not it destroys your entire argument. Obliterates it. Daniel is an example of what it means to be in the world but not of the world. I have not promoted anything other than the example set by Daniel.

ZNP stands for Zaph Naph Paaneah -- that is the Egyptian name given to Joseph and it is a reminder that Jesus is the savior of the world. Joseph was the Prime Minister of Egypt and yet he also is an example of what it means to be in the world but not of the world.
 

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That's a temporary fix. But, yeah. I'd do that first. Idaho and Florida will be the last free zones.
The world is condemned, everything we do here is temporary. Also this is the instructions Jesus gave us. If they do not welcome you in this city shake off the dust as a testimony against them and go to the next city.

If I leave NY (we are currently in the process, retirement takes time to process everything) then I stop paying city and state taxes, stop buying stuff at the local businesses. 5% of the City moves they will have a very serious setback.

If I move to another state they will increase in their electoral votes, and they will increase in their Conservative, Evangelical stance. This will help create places for other Christians to flee to during the tribulation.
 

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I have seen quite a few peer reviewed scientific studies that dispute that claim. But if you would like to post your own peer reviewed study from some medical journal feel free. Till then this claim will be given the respect it deserves.
I don't have any peer-reviewed studies either way. However, I would be more than happy to read any such studies you provide links for.

Unlike you, I won't claim to have seen studies that say something without referring to the study in such a way to support the claim.

Otherwise, I could say something like, "Doctors from the most prestigious institutions say you're an idiot." Without backing it up, one could say just about anything. It doesn't make it true.

Wow! You have definitely been watching too much TV. I suggest turning off CNN and MSNBC immediately.
I haven't watched TV for over 2 years, and I've NEVER watched either CNN nor MSNBC.

But it certainly goes a long way to showing your particular prejudice, that anyone who disagrees with you must, obviously, be a mindless slave of left-wing media, because anyone who isn't a left-winger must obviously agree with you.

If only life were so black-and-white.
 

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I know of two.
Out of how many that you know of that had Covid?

Personally, I know roughly 30ish people that got Covid and recovered and just that 1 death. I've been trying to find out if cousin had the jab...just heard she was in health care...but nobody in the family who would know is answering that question, so I'm kinda thinking she did. Otherwise they'd be blaming her unvaxxed status. So it could very well be that the jab is what sent her to the hospital and, ultimately, her death.
 
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