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Actually, now that I think about it, that's a great response. From now on any time a Christian disagrees with me, I'm just going to call them a baby Christian and offer them a bottle of milk.

Enough said, you're entitled to your POV.

I asked that people that are anti - Christmas not turn this into a debate. We have all kinds of topics on that here every year and you can discuss them there. This is the news thread, that is the topic. It's rude to make the topic something you wish to push instead.

If a Christmas tree causes someone to stumble, I can't ever see that happening. I know many Christians have no issue with drinking. I would say that is an area you could cause someone to stumble, not a Christmas tree.

You are conflating the two. We have a mentally ill person who set fire to a Christmas tree, didn't hurt anyone and now will get to stay in jail out of the cold.

Are you really going to tell me he is part of some big conspiracy involving people who go into churches and shoot everyone up, or deface church property, or scream and yell about the ten commandments?

I will repeat myself for the umpteenth time on this thread since many refuse to actually read what i have said. I equate the NT with Jesus and His birth. If someone attacks the Bible, or burns the Bible or is against the ten commandments then yes, that is an attack on the Lord. If they mock, ridicule and insult Jesus in films and on TV then yes, that is taking the Lord's name in vain and will be punished (not by me, vengeance is the Lord's, He will repay).

But if they burn a Christmas tree, a symbol that comes from Babylon and depicts the worship of Baal, then yes, I will not be pleased with the dangerous violence in public, but will not consider that an attack on Jesus in any way, shape or form.

It's not an idol. We sing about all kinds of things in nature. Birds, insects, roads, homes, are they idols? No.




It's not an idol, a god, nor is it worshipped.




He's a criminal and well known to the cops.

He's a criminal and known to the cops, was probably out within the hour.



I don't know if he isn't or his isn't. It's certainly possible that he could be that person. He's known to the cops. And I think you're taking this discussion a wee bit too seriously. It's a possibility.



Not sure exactly how many times umpteenth is, but it's not the amount of times you've said it in this thread. We're on post 27 of a 2 page discussion. I didn't refuse to do anything. I read what you said. I answered it so obviously I read it.


Right and I didn't say anything against that. The whole Bible talks about his birth for that matter. I asked if you realized that people see the Christmas tree as part the Christian celebration of Christmas.




Yep, you already stated that and my answer was, enough said. I disagree with you on this subject.

What does it have to do with Jesus birth?

I celebrate the Lord's birth. I love hymns like "Hark the Herald Angels sing" and "Joy to the World". I love the stories of the Lord's birth in the book of Luke. You have not answered the question. You have repeatedly asserted that the Christmas tree is associated with Jesus birth. Where do you get that from?

In Post #1 you said "P.S. If you don't celebrate Christs birth please move on, this is not a discussion on that subject. This is news story about a Christmas tree."

So please explain. I celebrate the Lord's birth and do not see the connection with a Christmas tree. Why are you telling me to move on? I would like to know what one has to do with the other.

The real tell is how they get upset if you talk about the Christmas tree as being pagan as though you have insulted their religious worship.

That's what I was thinking.
You can tell what is near and dear to someone's heart by how vehemently they defend it.

David Wilkerson on Gideon tearing down the altar of Baal, which was referenced earlier on this thread.

These threads appear every year, with some Christians saying we shouldn't celebrate Christmas because of it's pagan origins and the fear that we are worshipping pagan gods if we do.

Is that not a stumbling Christian? (No offense intended)

This is a reasonable comparison but I think it is slightly different than being portrayed. If Paul was invited to dinner at someone's house that had a Christmas tree he would eat dinner there knowing that an idol is nothing. However, if his eating there were to offend some weaker saints he wouldn't eat. I agree with that.

To then assume that Paul would set up a Christmas tree himself in his house, that is definitely not portrayed by Paul in Corinthians.

1Corinthians 5:10 not at all meaning with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous and extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world:

If you go to a Christmas party at work you may have to see Christmas trees, Paul is saying get over it.

1Corinthians 5:11 but as it is, I wrote unto you not to keep company, if any man that is named a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a one no, not to eat.

It makes a difference if the person who has this tree says they are a believer or not.

. 8 But food will not [b]commend us to God: neither, if we eat not, [c]are we the worse; nor, if we eat, [d]are we the better. 9 But take heed lest by any means this [e]liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to the weak. 10 For if a man see thee who hast knowledge sitting at meat in an idol’s temple, will not his conscience, if he is weak, [f]be emboldened to eat things sacrificed to idols?