Does scripture tell us the law of the Lord is dead?

You totally missed the point. So let's make it REAL SIMPLE:
ROMANS 13: THE LAW OF CHRIST FULFILLS THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

So where is the "new doctrine"?

How is it different? Can we now put other Gods before the one true God? Can we now murder, rob, and lie? What is different about the law?

Yeh well I think it was during the so called "golden" olden days that the church let the testimony fall to the ground. Throwing thunderbolts from the pulpit is easy peasy preaching, anybody can get up there and make the people squirm in their seats.

But that doesn't make the people holy.

It is MONSTROUS to blame Joseph Prince, you've never listened to him. Joel Osteen I've not heard so I don't know. What grace preaching does is teach the principles that do lead to success in life and discipleship. How to win, against the world, the devil and the flesh.

Grace preaching addresses the absolute necessity of not only changing opinions but to the very way we think. Renewal the mind. Something the stubborn old fashioned evangelicals will not even contemplate. Try it see if it is easy believism.

Paul never preached the law to the Corinthians as a solution to their problems. For Paul sin was against grace, against life itself. Sin in the face of God's overflowing mercy.

And the answer is always come back to the cross. The cleansing blood of Jesus.

And life and society is so much harder and complex in these days that we live in ... made harder because the devil came in like a flood during the good old "golden" days and that generation did not have the spiritual weapons to defend and fight against him.

They just thundered the law at it and emptied the churches.

it’s different you just can’t seem to acknowledge it heres Moses law of marriage and divorce


“When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭24:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

so can you acknolwedge Moses said if you get married and then aren’t happy divorce your spouse and your free to re Marry ? Simple so far heres Christs dofferent word and him explaining to the lawyers why it’s different



“And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him. And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter. And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭10:2-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬



to simplify Moses said of you marry and are unhappy feel free to divorce and remarry


Jesus said if you do that it’s adultery


are you seriously telling me you can’t understand the ode are different laws ? Or do you just not want to say it ?

Here’s another view of why did Moses tell them something different ?

“The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭19:3, 7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The law of Moses isn’t Gods law Gods law was before Moses law before man became sinners before thier hearts became hardened by sin. Moses law was added in response to sin “ what’s the law for then?


“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:m


It’s almost like some of you don’t realize there’s a New Testament when Christ died and rose and became priest his word became the law


“For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So marriage and divorce teo entirely different laws one by Moses tonthe hard hearted sinners these folks Moses gave theee folks a law

“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-

Jesus however told us Gods law about marriage and divorce a totally different law.


is it the same to be free to divorce for any reason and remarry anyone you wish ?

And also to not be allowed divorce but for one reason and not remarry or you’ve committed adultery ?


seems following those two laws would be contrary wouldnt it ? The entire law is that way

How do we deal with sinners Moses ?

“And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭21:23-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬


is that The law Jesus ?

“Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬


apparently that’s different also what about little thkngs like making an oath ? What day you Moses make sure you perform your oaths ?

“Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:

( Jesus ?)


But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:33-34‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I’m not sure if you don’t understand it’s different or you just want to argue can you really not see that Moses commands and Jesus commands are contrary ?


“Moses says don’t kill “ there’s nothing bad about that command but it’s actually telling us what not to do because it was given to sinners who were inclined to commit violence


Christs word is Gods everlasting word Moses law was meant to last until Christ came forth preaching the gospel it’s good it’s just fulfilled in its purposes and is not our law it’s meant to hold sinners to account the fospem is about saving those sinners through repentance and faith in the word of truth the gospel

This fulfills the law

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:

“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ;

that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

sinners are condemned to death by the law it’s why sinners get baptized to fulfill that for them. They died for their sins with Christ now they belong to him


the new doctrine is here

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15


that’s why he came to fulfill this

“Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old. Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:18-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬


to do this new thing

“Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭36:25-27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the new doctrine is here

Moses said

“Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:


Jesus said

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:27-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He spent his sermons correcting what they had heard from the law of Moses

Moses said

“It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:


Jesus said

But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Moses said
“Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:


Jesus said

But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

Moses said

Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:




Jesus said

But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:33-34, 38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬


It’s just different anyone can see that can’t they ? Of Moses says one thing Jesus says no do this other thing how is it the same ?

Feel free to divorce , no don’t do that

Make sure you keep your oaths no don’t do that

eye for an eye ! No don’t do that


The new doctrine was always promised and can froth with Jesus


“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people. My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

A new covenant not according to the old was always promised

“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭

Another covenant from the promises of David was always promised

“Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭55:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But you know sometimes it’s hard to realize something we hadn’t seen beforehand

the law of Moses is for these

“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to do this

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬


salvation is without the law

“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And it’s found here and only here

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


because of the new doctrine

“Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.”
‭‭John‬ ‭7:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:49-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Moses can’t say or do any of that he couldn’t save himself even the word of life is come to save us from death

If this post is saying that you believe that God changed from the time he gave us Moses, then your God acts differently from the God I know, and it is your right to create your own God. The God I know is eternal and what God tells us is eternal.

God changed the way God communicated with us. For thousands of years God communicated with us through fleshly commands that symbolized His spirit, then Christ came and that changed to God communicating with us directly to our spirit and minds. That is not a change of the spirit of the law.

You keep your God whose ways are not eternal but change, and I will keep my eternal God who lives in a way of time that is eternal time, not like our time that changes.

What does one consider the law to be? The ten commandments?
The jewish rituals such as the sabbath?The law is not dead the law died and rose on the third day. Jesus came to not just fulfill the law but to become the law for us, the law which beforehand was impossible to fully keep and so Christ in his perfection became the law for us he fulfilled the law and now the only law is love and grace to be richly filled with his goodness and spirit.
So I ask again what does one consider the law to be?

The law is dead for the believer as it can’t condemn them anymore

it was never given as a means of showing us how to behave, it was given to prove to us we failed to live up to Gods standard

The law has many uses, you are speaking as if the law has only the use of condemning sinners--one of it many, many uses. It is like throwing out all cream except the cream used in making whipped cream. The 119th Psalm gives many uses of the law besides the ONE you list, do you really think the Lord wants us to toss out this Psalm because it lists additional uses?

the center of your belief is Law keeping.
you obsess over it.

put your faith in Jesus, not the Law.

The center of my belief is Christ, all of Christ. I accept the forgiveness of sin Christ offers. I accept Christ within me. I accept his righteousness based on atonement. I do not want to sin through repentance and say so. I think you must be against Christ within and repentance to only see "keeping the law' in my posts. I have never once said humans can keep the law, but I have said that humans are to WANT (repent) to keep the law. Why do you think you so misread my posts? Are you trying to preach wanting to sin?

i do not misread your posts. i read your posts often, but do not interact with you very much, just do not want to argue.

you have been shown many times by many different people how gentiles were and not under the Law.
you have choosen to reject all of them, and cling to your wrong beliefs.

if you won't listen to them, you will not listen to me either.

so, i will limit interaction here, and leave you with this- only complete faith and trust in Christ will save a person.

Do you really actually think that to discuss differences in interpreting scripture is arguing scripture?

You accuse me of not being under grace for salvation, but of thinking I can be saved through law obedience. That is accusing me of going to hell. Back up such an awful thing to say about anyone with a post of mine.

Am I to understand that you believe my posts about repentance (repentance is not wanting to sin) is against grace? Christ tells us to repent and Christ is grace.

Are you saying that if we accept Christ within we must also accept that we want sin within? I do not want to sin, even though I am flesh. I give my will to Christ, I am forgiven through repentance of sin and Christ.

Why is it that people on this site keep wanting to speak about people so they can gossip about them instead of speaking of the Lord?

I completely agree. But I disagree that we can want Christ within us so we are saved and we can want sin within us, wanting to live in sin. That is having faith in sin, not faith in Christ.

Not sure what you mean here

Paul tells us the purpose of the law in gal 3. and states clearly after we have come to Christ the law has no more purpose in our life. Moses himself demanded that the people must obey every word. Which according to that means anyone who has fallen in one area has failed to keep the law

How can you keep the law so to speak if you have failed to meet its requirement (James speaks on this also. Whoever keeps the whole law yet stumbles in one point is guilty

The law was made to point us to Christ because we see our need, And shows his sacrifice as the only means of redemption.

The law says do not murder. but if we just look at it as a command and try to do it of our own power. Then we will miss the opportunity to see if we really broke it or not.

A person who commits murder has sinned LONG before he committed the physical act of murder. By the time he or she has done that. There is probably a long list of sins she has committed on the way.

The law can not help you see those sins, So by the time a person gets to the point they carry out the act. It is probably to late for the law to help them then.

Thats why the law is not for a believer because a believer KNOWS murder is a sin. He or she needs to know what would lead to murder (lack of love, anger, pride, rebellion, fear to name a few) before it even comes to the point he has the weapon in his had. Because by then it is too late.

You are not taking some facts that Christ gives us into consideration. It is a fact that if we say we keep the law we lie. It is a fact we are blessed when we try to keep the law. Christ told us what to do about that: Christ told us to repent. When we repent of our sins we truly do not want to sin and are sorry for those sins. Then it is as if we were completely righteous, Christ gives us His righteousness.

When we are forgiven our sins through repenting of them and accepting Christ, we cannot want Christ within us and want sin within us for Christ will have nothing to do with sin. We were dead in our sins, but through Christ we are born anew, we are born as a saved person belonging to God.

We must choose how we want to live---we can want to live with Christ within or we can want to live with sin within. If we choose Christ, our sins are forgiven and it is as if we, ourselves, were righteous when we are not.

It’s obvious you do not understand the law. Or your situation. you should listen to some of these people trying to show you