No, the earth is not flat

Seriously.

You just demonstrated that you can't read other's hearts. You completely misread what I wrote. I did not judge your heart motivations at all. I simply stated what is likely and why.

Sorry, but I'm not going to be a source of entertainment for you and your imagination. Please stop your silly game.

but look, nothing obscuring the horizon.

the FE model suggests the sun is a constant 3,000mi above the surface of the ocean this whole time.
Rowbatham says what we are seeing in this image is the sun getting smaller and smaller as it gets further away.
that equally, the proportional visible 'gap' between the ocean and the sun is getting smaller and smaller.

FE clearly does not match reality

FE says this is what sunset looks like:

What does it matter if the earth is flat or round. Christ created all things as I read in the scriptures.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Do you know that Christ died for our sins ? And have you believed it as the gospel ? That is far more important than debating about the shape of the earth.

Here is the gospel you need to believe to be saved;

1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

It matters because claiming the earth is flat, when it isn't, brings ridicule to Christianity. We are not to cause others to stumble.

The simulation is terrible, because flat earth science is terrible. You can say, there is a disclaimer, but failed to offer a substitute in which you think is accurate. THIS IS HUGE!

Our we playing keep away? It sure looks like. To be honest, I loved listening to the video of the astronomer tear apart the flat earth model, it gave both sides of the story. It also gave me a chance to sit back and laugh at both sides....for once.

I can't wait until the flat earth rolls out there official model, this will be one of the funnier science fictions events. Space Balls look out!

For your viewing pleasure, the flat earth theory believes that the earth is traveling up to explain gravity, according to Dave the science guy.




After watching the video, it gave me a possible view of what the concave hollow earth model would be like, by seeing the geocentric view. Only difference would be that all the heavenly bodies would be in the earth, rather outside of the earth, like an atom.




1. Geocentric Model

2. Heliocentric Model

3. Flat earth doesn't really have a model yet. They are still working out how the sun and moon would work.


Those that put the sun in the center of the universe, instead of God are sadly mistaken. You can quote me on that.

We all live in the earth, so we see things from the earth, not from the sun. Our view point will always be from earth, not the sun. How can you have a view point from the sun, when no one has ever been there? It's science fiction to state the sun is the center of the universe, when no one has observed the universe from the sun's perspective.

Nope, you don't understand what serious flat earthers believe. THE EARTH IS FIXED AND DOES NOT MOVE. I established this Scripturally with two full posts full of Bible verses in the "A Biblical Cosmology" thread, which no one bothered to read I guess.

And we don't believe that gravity is the upward acceleration of the Earth cracker in space. WE DON'T BELIEVE IN AN EARTH CRACKER IN SPACE. Try this:

The Bible supports a lot of this depiction. The Earth is fixed and does not move. The face of the deep is frozen. God has established bounds for the seas so they don't surge back and cover the Earth. God stores the deep in heaps. The sun makes his circuit over the Earth. The moon has HER OWN light. The sun and moon move in the firmament (atmosphere) where the birds fly.

If you are unclear on any of this, go see all the Bible verses I posted over in
https://christianchat.com/conspirac.../a-biblical-cosmology-gods-flat-earth.203409/

...which, by the way, were not even all the verses the Bible contains that relate to this subject.

You can also watch my YouTube video "A Biblical Cosmology."

So, why was the model that the astronaut on the video terrible? It pretty much showed the same thing, except you have a dome over earth, and the ice wall is extremely large. From your model of the flat earth you posted and the model that the astronomer attacked, it would a little incomplete, rather than terrible.

How would you explain the sun rising in the East and setting in the West? Also, how would you explain the East not being able to see the sun, when the sun is in the West say 6p.m. Pacific time, when it's dark at 9p.m. Eastern Time, when looking at American time zones?

I can clearly see from that video thumbnail that the Earth depicted is a cracker Earth floating in space. Serious flat earthers see the Earth plane as the basement of the universe, possibly expanding in all directions infinitely. It does not move. There's something goofy with the Sun and moon sizes in that video as well.

I haven't watched the video. Maybe I will. But I am familiar with the Flat Earth Simulator on Steam though. It's a cash grab, not a serious representation of what a serious flat earther believes.

So, why was the model that the astronaut on the video terrible? It pretty much showed the same thing, except you have a dome over earth, and the ice wall is extremely large. From your model of the flat earth you posted and the model that the astronomer attacked, it would a little incomplete, rather than terrible.

How would you explain the sun rising in the East and setting in the West? Also, how would you explain the East not being able to see the sun, when the sun is in the West say 6p.m. Pacific time, when it's dark at 9p.m. Eastern Time, when looking at American time zones?

I made the lettering bold, so it would be hard to miss. The astronomer made a compelling argument. The flat earth model doesn't make sense. There is so much explaining to do, but there isn't science available at this time to possibly cover an explanation. Voodoo Science is coming.........

I'm bracing myself for you answer, because it's gonna a be a Whopper, if it's ever posted.

For the record, it took about 5 threads to get a flat earth model and map. This should of been the first thing presented in all threads. The very fact that I have to constantly ask for this, is completely ludicrous. If you look at my concave hollow earth thread, the opening post shows the model. Just wanted to point this out.

I've explained this two or three times in various flat earth threads on this site now.

The sun makes a circuit over the flat earth plane, clockwise. In fact, the Earth plane probably inspired the invention of the analog clock. The Sun is the "hour hand" which makes a complete circuit once every 24 hours. So from where you are standing, you see it come in from the east and go out westward.

Why does it disappear if it is always above the earth plane? Because you don't have unlimited range of vision. Let me explain. You and a friend are in a large warehouse, one on either end. You can see him clearly, no problem. Now get a fog machine and fill the entire warehouse with dense fog. You can't see him any longer, even though he is still in direct line of sight.

Water vapor, dust, smog, smoke, and the weight of the atmosphere itself means that the Sun's light has a limited range it can push out past the source. Think of it like a lantern in the foggy woods at midnight.

Why does the sun appear to rise and set? Perspective is the short answer. If you stand in a long hallway with a row of lights down the middle, there's a light above you and it's clearly above your head. But as the line of lights goes away from you, they appear to go "downwards" in your vision due to perspective. But they are all above your head.

Sorry, I was not sure what you meant by model exactly. If you had said "map" I've got plenty of images and most serious flat earthers use Gleason's AE map:

I understand what your saying, so wouldn't a excellent camera/telescope on a super clear night, be able to see the sun in the West? Or am I missing something?

I wanted to focus on the Bible verses in the "A Biblical Cosmology" thread and didn't really post any images there. I can see how it would have helped. I HAVE posted links to my "A Biblical Cosmology" video several times here on CC though, where all of this is laid out visually and explained.

Dave Weiss has an app that supposedly is a great model, with wind, stars, etc. all depicted, but it's for a version of Android I don't have:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flatearthsun

A camera or telescope would definitely see the sun longer than the naked eye, I'm pretty sure, even more so if it were placed at a high altitude. But keep in mind that a major limiting factor is how far the light can PUSH OUT FROM THE SOURCE, in other words the Sun itself. There's going to be a point where no sunlight at all reaches the observer and no optics will be able to pull the sun back into view.

I know what you are thinking. What about the stars that are supposedly hundreds of millions of light years away? We can see them? Yes, well, most flat Earther's don't believe they are like the sun, don't believe that they are that far, and anyways the thickness of the atmosphere between them and the Earth's surface is less than the distance between an observer and the local sun at night time.

I was more interested in this text in bold. We are talking 3 hours difference from 6p.m. Pacific Time to 9p.m. Eastern Time. Are you saying, the sun doesn't have enough power to push through 3 hour time difference?

Heliocentric model would say, that the earth is moving away from the sun, the earth isn't translucent, so sunlight can't come to the darkside of earth. While Concavers might say, that the sun is moving from East to West, and the dark space in heaven blocks the light from being transmitted to the dark side of earth.

Would you say the sun in your view point, stays at the same altitude, or does it go up and down, or just in circles at the same relative height?

The Pacific 6PM to Eastern 9PM comparison isn't quite right I don't think. The sun's actual position at this point in time is beyond the Pacific time zone area even farther to the west. The Pacific time zone is nearing sunset, so they are already near the limit of the sun's reach, and then the Eastern time zone is three hours beyond THAT.

The idea of whether the sun and moon move up and down is hotly contested in serious flat earth circles. We simply don't know. We do know the sun spirals inwards and outwards between the tropic of Cancer and the tropic of Capricorn, which is where we get the seasons from.

Once again, you are proving there is no model. I was just about ready to pounce, but the game of keep away got me. There needs to be a working model of sunlight on the flat earth, once we have that, than we can get to work on your map.

Flat earthers need to come up with a model, or else this way of thinking isn't ready for the mainstream.

No model there can't be anything to test.

Do you feel like my questions were reasonable and sensible? I hope they were and I still rest on my verdict of the flat earthers failing to provide a working model. The NASA astronomer is correct, it doesn't make a lick of sense. That's why there isn't a model, flat earth doesn't make sense. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! ahhh

Well, if you think flat earth is being suppressed, look at the comments I got in the concave hollow earth model. Did anyone mention the movie the Matrix, time travel, king kong, or swimming airplanes? You don't know the definition of suppression. lol