You are still a slave to sin if you are still doing them. JESUS Gifted us The Way to Overcome!

if it were agape love it would not wax cold. I am sorry this will be a shock to you but we are not saved by love, love is a fruit of being saved. We are saved by faith.

Let's see to Whom the Ten Commandments belong, Moses or Jesus, shall we?

Psalms 78 KJV
78:1 Give ear, O people to My law: incline thine ears to the words of My mouth (10 comms spoken at Sinai).
78:2 I will open My mouth in parable; I will utter dark sayings of old.

Matthew 13 KJV
13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
13: 35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

That's right, it was Jesus Who spoke His Ten Commandments at Sinai - Moses was simply a sanctified secretary. John says if you claim to know Jesus but don't keep His Ten Commandments, you're a liar liar pants, butt, body on fire in the Lake of Fire.

Bro, I assure you, the "love" that grows cold and dead, leaving those "many" unable to endure to the end and lost, and in a more spit-worthy condition that the spat out Laodiceans who are merely lukewarm...is the Greek "agape".

I'm beginning to think the "fearful" that are going to be outside the walls of New Jerusalem will include among them those who shut themselves up in a theological bubble and refused to examine themselves and their doctrines to see if both are in the faith.

he that hath Christ hath life ... His life is eternal. Eternal life [the doctrine of] is soul strengthening doctrine.

We know we are not here today and gone tomorrow, we believe in being planted and not uprooted continually, we shoot down our roots in the rich soil of God's grace, we grow strong and ever more confident as we see the life of Christ being manifest in us.

You are of double mind, unsteady and unstable, saved [are you?] today but not certain about tomorrow. Tossed to and throw by the doctrines of cunning men [or in your case woman Ellen White]

You are like the baals in Elisha's day, shuffling back and forth, flogging each other along.

"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart and all thy mind and strength and thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Upon these two hang the law and the prophets"

I dare you to claim that you fulfil this.

You my friend are not only a law breaker but you have never been within a whiff of keeping the law.

Do you really think it's reasonable to say, "We don't need to make a full, permanent surrender to receive salvation"?

Didn't David do that? Or Paul? Or Peter? Sure, these "Just Men" slipped up along the way, but each time they did, they took Jesus' hand and rose up again and got back on the Path of the Just.

They didn't need any OSAS License to Sin - they had love for God.

You realize those two laws were NOT "new" laws, right? BOTH are in the OT. They were only "new" to legalist Jews who found the law "grievous" because they practiced "law without love".

OSAS people practice "love without law" which is why it's always "Moses' Law" or "only the Two Great Commandments" or "the law was nailed to the Cross". It's the vain attempt to obtain by dead faith that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.

you have done more than simply criticize

you have maligned his character

you seem to be suffering from short term memory loss. this is what you said to him:

Your problem is that you think that "come to Him by faith" is a one night stand instead of a marriage...that we can abide in the Vine this week, then hang out at Satan's holly tree down the street next week.

you compared his long term relationship with Christ to a one night stand with a prostitute

take ownership of your crass comments or stop making them

In every instance these men made full surrender subsequent to the Lord calling them. We receive Christ as Lord in faith ... He makes it good.

I'm sorry. I didn't know it was your best

uh...but you responded directly to this



you responded with



see, you directly mentioned my comment re the gifts of the Holy Spirit. so....

You didn't begin to insist we're not saved by works when I pointed out the test in 1 John 2:3-4 KJV? Sure you did!

We're not "fully surrendered" if we're living in "intermittent rebellion". We're not "more than conquerors" if we're habitually overcome by temptation. We're not "once saved, always saved" if the agape of the saved saints can grow cold and dead, leaving them unable to endure to the end, and lost.

but YOU are fearful ... you are trying to sow fear and doubt into the minds of the brethren this is your devilish mission in life.

.... and you suppose that God is pleased with you.

Cognitive Dissonance - the number one cause of fear and anxiety among Christians who refuse to venture outside their theological bubble, lest they find out they've been wrong and have to make a change.

You didn't begin to insist we're not saved by works when I pointed out the test in 1 John 2:3-4 KJV? Sure you did!

Cognitive Dissonance - the number one cause of fear and anxiety among Christians who refuse to venture outside their theological bubble, lest they find out they've been wrong and have to make a change.

So you clearly will not answer my question my question as @SophieT put it you will not/ cannot all you can do is try to misdirect and change the course of the conversation a childish tactic one that does not get past me.

Do you know why I posed that question? Because it is not only truth but it is truth that I knew would require a very deep answer one with no way for loop holes it is a very tight fit narrow question with room for only a truly deep and biblical answer not one of opinion or interpretation not one of a particular doctrine you may hold or stance you may stand on, no this question was specifically made to be cleverly encased with room for only truth not mans truth but truth alone it is like a striahgt narrow hall way with room for only one vs a maze with many hallways.

I however cannot take credit for the question because it didn't come from me God just put it in my mind to write yet I can see how clever it is the fact you cannot answer it means you have lost this this debate had you answered it honestly we could have gone deeper into this discussion but you see this question poses problems for you doesn't it? you know the problems I speak of.

May God have mercy on ALL our souls!