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Phoneman-777 said:
“Agape” is demonstrated by obeying God’s commandments (1 John 5:3
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do you realize that you are defeating your own arguments every time you cite scripture?


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This is the commandment, that, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.​
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This is My commandment, that you love ((AGAPAÓ)) one another as I have loved ((AGAPAÓ)) you.​
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Temptations and vices are always there. For me they are flies to be swatted. Done away with realization and prayer. Do I fail at times, of course. Look forward to eternal joy and never backward to carnal regrets. Ask for forgiveness and strength and then continue climbing up the Holy Mountain. That is the lot of man.

Slavery of this world or Freedom in Christ
Psalm 119:…44I will always obey Your law, forever and ever. 45And I will walk in freedom, for I have sought Your precepts. 46I will speak of Your testimonies before kings, and I will not be ashamed.…
The price of freedom is the Precepts of God. Keep them Holy. Temptation is when you translate duty as choice then one must choose between the world or God. When committed to an argument that pertains to Salvation, it is duty that must drive you, no other considerations from without or within are important. You are upholding the Precepts of God.

Paul`s thorn was a physical ailment that hurt like hell (angel of satan). It must of been painful, and when demanded by God to minister, Paul must of prayed for succor. God`s succor was His Grace, not the alleviation of his pain. While the other Apostles were chosen by Jesus, Paul was compelled - they laid Stephen`s garment before Saul`s feet after being stoned. I believe the narrative is about redemption, not evil spirits. Paul readily accepted all pain and suffering as Christ redeemed him.
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lol have you done any swats today haha,. I do believe there is a lot more to it, so would I be right in saying then that you believe God can send a evil spirit to keep a person in check,. This was the reason I brought it up, Paul wrote those words, but where they his thought or the evil spirits thoughts messing with his head, and Paul never had his swat stick that day. Did Paul just simply write that thought down, after all he would have kept a diary,. Quite often in Paul's writings he would just go into random philosophy. My fear is Paul's writing are not complete.

The thorn in his side he mentioned and torment are both thrase for pain and mental pain too. Paul was describing his feeling there but was he also questioning his thoughts or writing them out loud as they came into head, why is there no follow up to it. Tormenting means day and night. Wheres the rest of the writings
 
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but I don't ever recall born again Christians arguing about good works once upon a time, are you sure born again Christians argue about good works faith and holy laws and preach your future sins are forgiven, or is it people listening to Satan who think preaching OSAS will earn them rewards and favour and also proof there right to talk about God the way they do. how many liars has OSAS made out of Christians, is it thousands, millions what do you think, born again Christian where here befor OSAS arrived,. It's ok you can insult me further if you want, how about a red x
Why should a born again Christian have to proof there theology of OSAS should preach there future sins are forgiven, because they will not mean to sin, ? Well ok forget about the very thought that you can sin in the future and be forgiven without repentance should not even enter your head, that is pride, and pride has got a hold of people preaching OSAS, why do you think that is ?.

Can you speak for everyone who preaches OSAS,. Have you took the stance your future sins are forgiven, too ?
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Well to say Christians were here before eternal security was taught is wrong.
Jesus and the Apostles taught eternal security (salvation can not be lost).
eternal security
Can I speak for everyone who teaches eternal security, no I can not and neither can you.
Can I speak for everyone that teaches good works, no I can not and neither can you.
I can only speak for myself and those I know and have heard.
As for as danger, there is danger in any truth when a false teacher will twist it until it is no longer truth.
We all need to learn not to use a wide brush by judging all by the actions of the few.
 
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RichMan said:
Well to say Christians were here before eternal security was taught is wrong.
Jesus and the Apostles taught eternal security (salvation can not be lost).
eternal security
Can I speak for everyone who teaches eternal security, no I can not and neither can you.
Can I speak for everyone that teaches good works, no I can not and neither can you.
I can only speak for myself and those I know and have heard.
As for as danger, there is danger in any truth when a false teacher will twist it until it is no longer truth.
We all need to learn not to use a wide brush by judging all by the actions of the few.
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now your going to tell me I'm wrong after your insinuating behaviour with no apology. Yeah next you will be telling me I'm not saved, that generally comes when you get into an argument with people. Who preach OSAS here, they get so confident in there pride, that they come out with the remark of I have to question if your saved,. Like I said pride, the pride being absolute madness because OSAS does not need to be argued about with a born again Christian, because generally speaking all the slander against works for salvation is directed at Christians here, and once again I will remind you that born again Christians are blessed with kindness, and have no need to do works for a return of salvation,

So all your actually doing is promoting an agenda
 
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posthuman said:
do you realize that you are defeating your own arguments every time you cite scripture?


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This is the commandment, that, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.​
(2 John 1:6)​
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This is My commandment, that you love ((AGAPAÓ)) one another as I have loved ((AGAPAÓ)) you.​
(John 15:12) ​
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Those who work at the 10 commandments thinking that is what Christians are supposed to do HAVE TO argue against OSAS.

They have no choice. Otherwise, there is no point in their false belief. There has to be a punishment for not doing what they think is required for Salvation.

If they understood what it was that made the Laodiceans luke-warm, or really ANY other scriptures in the N.T., they wouldn't hold that false belief.


This is the way the self-righteous go. Its why the Lord Jesus talked to the Pharisees the way He did.
 
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now your going to tell me I'm wrong after your insinuating behaviour with no apology. Yeah next you will be telling me I'm not saved, that generally comes when you get into an argument with people. Who preach OSAS here, they get so confident in there pride, that they come out with the remark of I have to question if your saved,. Like I said pride, the pride being absolute madness because OSAS does not need to be argued about with a born again Christian, because generally speaking all the slander against works for salvation is directed at Christians here, and once again I will remind you that born again Christians are blessed with kindness, and have no need to do works for a return of salvation,

So all your actually doing is promoting an agenda
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I have never questioned your salvation.
Only God knows who is saved and who is not.
I do not believe I owe you an apology.
If disagreeing with your continued attack on those who support eternal security of believers offends you, that is on you, not me,
My agenda is simple, to stand for what I believe ( security of the believer, salvation can not be lost nor gained by works).
As is normally the truth, many who disagree with the security of the believer, will never even consider they may be wrong.
But I will continue point out what I believe is incorrect with your post.
 
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RichMan said:
I have never questioned your salvation.
Only God knows who is saved and who is not.
I do not believe I owe you an apology.
If disagreeing with your continued attack on those who support eternal security of believers offends you, that is on you, not me,
My agenda is simple, to stand for what I believe ( security of the believer, salvation can not be lost nor gained by works).
As is normally the truth, many who disagree with the security of the believer, will never even consider they may be wrong.
But I will continue point out what I believe is incorrect with your post.
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for the record -- in case it is not yet obvious ((i hope it is obvious)) -- i agree with you.
this is clearly the gospel according to scripture.

for me questioning my salvation is equivalent to questioning God's faithfulness.

i am saved not of myself, but by grace through faith: 100% God's mercy, 0% my merit

i work for this reason, as a reply to the grace i received; not towards that end. if it is wages, grace is no longer grace.
 
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RichMan said:
I have never questioned your salvation.
Only God knows who is saved and who is not.
I do not believe I owe you an apology.
If disagreeing with your continued attack on those who support eternal security of believers offends you, that is on you, not me,
My agenda is simple, to stand for what I believe ( security of the believer, salvation can not be lost nor gained by works).
As is normally the truth, many who disagree with the security of the believer, will never even consider they may be wrong.
But I will continue point out what I believe is incorrect with your post.
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more insulating I've already made my point clear to that I'm not against eternal security being preached with kindness, I am against eternal security being preached with an agenda number 1 and pride number 2 and promoting sin number 3, causing division number 4 please quit trying to appeal to people's better nature and eternal security to discredit what I am saying

Christians are to uphold the statues of Christ with kindness not miss use them to gain favour.
 
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more insulating I've already made my point clear to that I'm not against eternal security being preached with kindness, I am against eternal security being preached with an agenda number 1 and pride number 2 and promoting sin number 3, causing division number 4 please quit trying to appeal to people's better nature and eternal security to discredit what I am saying

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Frankly I believe you are accusing me of saying things I have not said.
Where have I promoted sin or defended those who do?
Division? Yes we are divided in our beliefs. So we both may be guilty.
Discredit what you say? I believe you are wrong just as you believe I am wrong and we both have said so.
Pride? If I come across as being prideful, for that I am sorry . It was not my intent.
Just as you are strong in your belief, I am very strong in my belief that Salvation is eternal, can not be lost, can not be earned.
While you seem to belief my belief seems to excuse sin or leads to sin, I strongly disagree.
My concern is that those who belief salvation can be lost, may be depending on their works for eternal life and not on the sacrifice Jesus made on the cross for our sins.
To be concerned for a person eternal salvation is not judging it is showing love for that person.
 
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Is it just me or are other offended when with the label OSAS?
Yes I have reluctantly used it. I will not in the future.
Each time that label is put on a person it is followed with attacks and efforts to discredit that person.
Not going to complain, just stating an opinion.
 
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RichMan said:
Frankly I believe you are accusing me of saying things I have not said.
Where have I promoted sin or defended those who do?
Division? Yes we are divided in our beliefs. So we both may be guilty.
Discredit what you say? I believe you are wrong just as you believe I am wrong and we both have said so.
Pride? If I come across as being prideful, for that I am sorry . It was not my intent.
Just as you are strong in your belief, I am very strong in my belief that Salvation is eternal, can not be lost, can not be earned.
While you seem to belief my belief seems to excuse sin or leads to sin, I strongly disagree.
My concern is that those who belief salvation can be lost, may be depending on their works for eternal life and not on the sacrifice Jesus made on the cross for our sins.
To be concerned for a person eternal salvation is not judging it is showing love for that person.
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my oh my you really are taking of with your pride now, your the same as a lot who preach OSAS they suffer with pride, and a false accusation syndrome grows and grows as they preach with how dare you go against eternal security ,When no born again Christian does,


you should not appeal to something as precious as eternal security to discredit a Christian like me because guess what, because of people's respect and security and protection for eternal security, they may just join in, so once again I will ask you not to appeal to eternal security to discredit Christians, as that is what your pride is doing, and what many people who preach OSAS also do.
 
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my oh my you really are taking of with your pride now, your the same as a lot who preach OSAS they suffer with pride, and a false accusation syndrome grows and grows as they preach with how dare you go against eternal security ,When no born again Christian does,


you should not appeal to something as precious as eternal security to discredit a Christian like me because guess what, because of people's respect and security and protection for eternal security, they may just join in, so once again I will ask you not to appeal to eternal security to discredit Christians, as that is what your pride is doing, and what many people who preach OSAS also do.
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You really do have a problem discussing things with people who disagree with you.
You need to grow up and stop with the whining every time you are not agreed with.
 
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RichMan said:
You really do have a problem discussing things with people who disagree with you.
You need to grow up and stop with the whining every time you are not agreed with.
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no not true either I can have a disagreement without resorting to false insinuations or falling out,. I suggest you do the same,. This is the problem with many people who preach OSAS because it means so much to them, they quickly forget how much it means to other people, especially when there understanding of there view on eternal security is challenged,. So when you have grown up to overcome your pride in the topic of eternal security we may perhaps get on better, untill then I Suggest you think about what I'm telling you. Pride really is Satan's favourite weekness to cause division, and in the topic of eternal security to many peoples pride go through the roof. Maybe you need time to understand that,
 
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no not true either I can have a disagreement without resorting to false insinuations or falling out,. I suggest you do the same,. This is the problem with many people who preach OSAS because it means so much to them, they quickly forget how much it means to other people, especially when there understanding of there view on eternal security is challenged,. So when you have grown up to overcome your pride in the topic of eternal security we may perhaps get on better, untill then I Suggest you think about what I'm telling you. Pride really is Satan's favourite weekness to cause division, and in the topic of eternal security to many peoples pride go through the roof. Maybe you need time to understand that,
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I would suggest that you search your own pride before falsely accusing others.
How about we get back to discussing the subject at hand instead of these childish accusations about my supposed pride and offending you.
 
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no not true either I can have a disagreement without resorting to false insinuations or falling out,. I suggest you do the same,. This is the problem with many people who preach OSAS because it means so much to them, they quickly forget how much it means to other people, especially when there understanding of there view on eternal security is challenged,. So when you have grown up to overcome your pride in the topic of eternal security we may perhaps get on better, untill then I Suggest you think about what I'm telling you. Pride really is Satan's favourite weekness to cause division, and in the topic of eternal security to many peoples pride go through the roof. Maybe you need time to understand that,
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Just for the record. You are the one who started this thread. You are the one who said what I belief should be banned. You are the one who first attacked, discredited, and made false statements about those who belief in the eternal security of believers.
If you doubt this go check the first few pages of this thread.
 
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RichMan said:
You really do have a problem discussing things with people who disagree with you.
You need to grow up and stop with the whining every time you are not agreed with.
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He's already put me on his Ignore list because he doesn't like what I tell him. I suspect you'll be on the same list soon.

The beauty of the Ignore function is that we can still respond to him, so others can see that his ideas are being refuted.
 
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He's already put me on his Ignore list because he doesn't like what I tell him. I suspect you'll be on the same list soon.

The beauty of the Ignore function is that we can still respond to him, so others can see that his ideas are being refuted.
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Really surprised I am not already on that list.
Just my opinion, but putting someone on ignore is a cop out.
 
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RichMan said:
Just for the record. You are the one who started this thread. You are the one who said what I belief should be banned. You are the one who first attacked, discredited, and made false statements about those who belief in the eternal security of believers.
If you doubt this go check the first few pages of this thread.
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no I did not discredit anything in the op your pride has,.my op is the truth. The truth only discredits falsehood, anyhow seeing as you will not listen to me telling over and over again I mean no harm then are chat is over, as it's now going the same way many topics go here with eternal security, prideful and you you you, and lets create an enemy out of somebody, I guess you prideful people need someone to be the witch hunt right and the Wipping horse to be on the end of your pride and agenda of how you should or should not be saved. Anyhow gbu, are chat is over,


For other people here who may believe my hounding trolls
Personaly I think some people who preach OSAS have a an agenda with how they have been treated in life, and with OSAS they get away with insulting people because eternal security appeals to people's security.
 
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de-emerald said:
more insulating I've already made my point clear to that I'm not against eternal security being preached with kindness, I am against eternal security being preached with an agenda number 1 and pride number 2 and promoting sin number 3, causing division number 4 please quit trying to appeal to people's better nature and eternal security to discredit what I am saying

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  1. i don't know what you mean 'agenda' - what agenda? steadfast belief in the faithfulness of God to keep His promises to save us? bro that's the gospel. if you call that agenda, great: i have that agenda. we all should.
  2. i have never heard the security of the believer preached promoting sin. i have only heard others accuse us of promoting sin. as i wrote to you earlier, i also read that Paul was similarly falsely accused of promoting sin because the gospel he preached made the ignorant think he was. something about the true gospel makes people think we are saying you can and/or maybe even should go around sinning as much as you want. why does the true, actual gospel sound like that? because it sets us free!!!
  3. this only causes division because many people believe and are taught & teach that they are saved by their own works, will & effort. but Christ came to bring division, not peace: that the truth may be known, and those who reject it may be known. division is not inherently bad. division is the necessary result when some are false teachers and some are trustworthy. they have to be divided because there is only one truth.
  4. no idea what you're trying to say. we are appealing to the faithfulness & power of God, not to people's 'nature' -- people have evil nature, every single one of us, myself included. that is only changed by a supernatural work of God, so that if anyone has a righteous nature you know it is not them but God working in & through them.
 
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posthuman said:
for the record -- in case it is not yet obvious ((i hope it is obvious)) -- i agree with you.
this is clearly the gospel according to scripture.

for me questioning my salvation is equivalent to questioning God's faithfulness.

i am saved not of myself, but by grace through faith: 100% God's mercy, 0% my merit

i work for this reason, as a reply to the grace i received; not towards that end. if it is wages, grace is no longer grace.
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Romans 9:30-32 and 11:5-6
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