The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

The Church will be on the Earth at Revelation 10:7 because it is when the mystery of God written in the Bible shall be revealed by the Church to save and gather more for the Rapture. It will be the time when hidden knowledge in prophecy is revealed, prophecies that are not understood until the time of the end. Prophecies that will prove there is a living God, prophecy that reveals who the Anti-Christ is and, mankind’s role in saving Creation from death and hell is understood.

It will be a time when each individual will then have to make a decision to be saved or else default to not being raptured where they will remain behind, to face the tribulation of the Anti-Christ who will seek to rule the Earth to make all worship and obey him. If those on Earth die for Jesus in the tribulation, they will save their lives. If they bow down to the Anti-Christ they will be punished by the seven vials poured upon the earth. That final judgement is their last chance to ask Jesus for forgiveness to receive mercy and salvation. Ultimately if they are so anti-Christ and continue to curse God and continue to reject his salvation they will be put out of their misery in the second death.

Therefore creation is given three chances to be saved from death and the curse started by Lucifer - we choose the first which is to be raptured, some, the second which survive the testing in the tribulation period, and finally those at the third that seek mercy from their fate during the pouring of the seven vials.

The angel (or messenger) in Revelation 10:6 might be the person who is able to reveal what the End Time Message is, and is the one who cried out with a loud voice that caused the seven thunders to utter their voices. The message uttered that John was about to write down but, God said do not, was because it was not the message of truth. The truth is Jesus is Almighty God Saviour, and no man or angel can enter into the Kingdom of God without him.

We will enter the days of Revelation 10:7 when the mystery of God is known, when the world prepares for the Second Coming of Christ in a manner not seen before.

The little book in Revelation 10 was the Bible that contains the words of God. The book referred to in Daniel 12:1 is the Book of Life. In Daniel 12:4 it is either the book of Daniel or the Bible. I think it refers to the prophecies in the Bible that are sealed till the Last Days.

Did you know that most of the authors of the Bible had no idea they were writing holy scripture?

Another of the same theory or a different theory?

Rather, just a presumption of one.

btw, there are NO resurrection passages that depict Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.

Since such an event would be quite dramatic, why would God hide that event in passages that aren't about the resurrection?

We all know Jesus re returns at the second coming which is revelation 19 on the white horses. I think everybody can see that and believes it. However we see another coming of Jesus in fact if you open that Bible you will see three actual Commings of jesus.

We see in Matthew 24, after the tribulation, that Jesus comes and it is definitely on the white horses after the tribulation

we see after the tribulation there is a gathering in heaven by Angels not Jesus and not from the Earth.
We clearly see that going on after the tribulation.
That is not the Rapture nor can it possibly be the rapture.
Now we see also in Matthew 24 ,if you skip down to about verse 40 or so ,another coming and Jesus frames it pre-tribulation Jesus says it's like unto Noah Before the Flood he entered the Ark.
That cannot be nor is it a limited to any such of a thing as "After the flood".
It is pre-tribulation coming of Jesus

it specifically says, vividly depicted ,that Jesus said his coming will be like unto the days of Noah Before the Flood

so there's no way that can be any sign or any pointing to a post tribulation anyting.
Still not convinced?
There is plenty more because it says and that same time frame of "before the flood " they will be eating and drinking and marrying. It also says in that same time frame "Before the Flood," they'll be two on a Housetop, one taken one left,
Now remember that's Before the Flood there will be two in a bed one taken one left

now remember that is Before the Flood.
Still not convinced?
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it says therefore watch and be ready for the son of man is coming.
Still not convinced?
In the same breath only a few sentences later Jesus brings in the parable of the virgins.
The exact same ratio are taken.

50% of that group are taken, exactly mirroring the same ratio previously mentioned .....50% taken 50% left behind.
The Bible says Let My Words Be confirmed in two or three Witnesses.
In that same parable of the ten virgins it is vividly depicted as the rapture.
In fact it is probably the most profound and Vivid description of the rapture that we have in the Bible. It even has Jesus taking virgins into the marriage. And again look at the setting the setting of the parable there is no hint of an antichrist any horses or even Jesus on a horse. He is not a warrior he is not killing anybody nor is he leading his bride into any War. And in that same setting the virgins are enjoying their freedom ,it is depicting a pre-tribulation normal activity and no Antichrist demon ruling the world.
Now what do we conclude here? I conclude what the Bible is declaring that there are more than one coming of Jesus.
Now if there is more than one coming and the Bible is profoundly clear that there is, then there cannot possibly be any post-trib rapture.

None of your deal fits.
Mat 24 depicts vividly " 2 commings".
The second one mentioned is pretrib, half of a group raptured, topped off with "watch, wait, and be ready.

You need to reframe your above post to;
"Pretrib waits for Jesus as Jesus instructed, but us postribbers know better, we are looking for, and waiting earnestly for ,the devil man. Many of us have our caves picked out to hide in. We are so brave"

That is what is going on.
You guys reject any idea of waiting for Jesus or being ready.
But it is not stopping you from mocking and despising those of us obedient to Jesus command.

Do a study on the command to watch, wait, and be ready.

It will shock you how your teachers have duped you guys.

You struggle so earnestly over a simple observation, then give me some paranoia over venturing into the obvious.

The book of hebrews is full of metaphors and analogies.

Please stay away from that book.

The water covered the mountains
It is scarry, i suppose.

Not to me.

But what spirit comes along and says" i will tell you what NOT to think about the flood and what observations I say are ALLOWED.

What spirit is operating ??????

That has what to with kler's post ?

The Scriptures say the waters covered the earth . Not scary at all. What is scary is your dishonesty of the Word of God is allowed on a Christian forum. You are not being truthful saying the ark was a mile in the heavens. The Scriptures tell us who the father of all lies is and saying what you do distorting the Word of God is lie. While asking someone to stay way from more Scripture . Your father is calling you,

Jesus doesn't "re returns" at the Second Advent. Jesus returns at the Second Advent. And, yes, that is shown in Rev 19.

The end of Rev 19 is the end of the trib and battle of Armageddon. Then Rev 20 begins with the chaining of Satan and the beginning of the 1,000 year reign of the King of kings. Also we find that the Trib martyrs are resurrected to reign with Christ. Hmm.

The Bible makes real clear that there is just ONE resurrection of the saved, according to the singular in Matt 22:30, Luke 14:14, Acts 24:15, and 1 Cor 15:23. And 1 Cor 15:23 tells us in very plain words WHEN this single resurrection will occur; which is "when He comes". And we know who ALL will be involved in this single resurrection of the saved: ALL the saved. "those who belong to Him" has to mean every believer from Adam on since every believer does belong to Him.

So, since Rev 20:5 describes the resurrection of the trib martyrs a the FIRST resurrection (the one for the saved), we know that every believer will get a glorified body "when He comes", which according to Rev 20 is at the end of the Trib.

Well, let's see what you have.

Why do you leave out (omit) actual verses here? What verses show a "gathering in heaven by Angels"? And what are they gathering IN heaven anyway?

29 “Immediately after the distress (TRIBULATION) of those days “ ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. {clearly the Second Advent}

So there's that.

And, what is that? Any verse to help up know what's in your mind?

Since there isn't anything to help us determine what's on Abs' mind, here's a verse:

31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Unless there is actual proof or evidence of winds in the 3rd heaven, we must realize that the "four winds" has to do with EARTH and its weather pattern. Since Abs seems always short on evidence, let's examine Rev 7:1 - After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree.

So, we see clear EVIDENCE that the "four winds" refer to winds of earth, not heaven. Everyone except Abs knows that the word "heaven" frequently refers to the atmosphere of earth.

So there's that, too.

Hm. Sounds like just a lot of presumption here. And NO evidence to support this presumption. But typical anyway.

However, now that we actually know what the "four winds of the heaven" refers to earth's atmosphere, we also know that this "gathering" by angels is "His elect". 1 Cor 15:23 says "when He comes" (Matt 24:30) "those who belong to Him" will be resurrected. So "His elect" are ALL the saved throughout all of history.

OK, finally a specific verse to look at. So, let's do. The context actually begins at v.36

36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,but only the Father.
37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;
39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.
41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

v.36 refers to the precise day or hour of the day that Jesus comes back at the Second Advent.
v.37 sets up the comparison between LIFE during the "days of Noah" and LIFE "at the (Second) coming of the Son of Man".
v.38 proves that this comparison is about LIFE, or how people were living. "eating/drinking/marrying/giving in marriage".
v.39 these people weren't aware of what was about to occur (the flood). The verse ends with "that is HOW IT WILL BE (life) at the "Second) coming of the Son of Man".

v.40,41 shows that there will be some people 'taken' and some 'left'. However, there is NOTHING in this entire context about Jesus taking anyone to heaven.

That cannot be nor is it a limited to any such of a thing as "After the flood".
It is pre-tribulation coming of Jesus[/QUOTE]
And there's that pesky presumption raising its ugly head again.

So there's that as well.

Yep. And what Jesus noted what HOW PEOPLE WILL BE LIVING. Not anything about His coming to earth.

iow, for those who may be a bit slow on the uptake, the way people were living BEFORE the flood will be the same for the way people will be living before He comes back. That's all. Nothing about pretrib anything.

Why would anyone? You've got no evidence for Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven, in spite of all the resurrection verses and passages.

When people really DON'T WANT TO see something, they will go to great lengths to NOT SEE something.
Sad.

And that silly Jesus thought the resurrection would come at the last day. How stupid can you get?

Uh, which "last day" are YOU referring to? Do you even know how many there are?

One. Kinda like there was one First Day.


When people really DON'T WANT TO see something, they will go to great lengths to NOT SEE something.
Sad.

Why they will even contradict JESUS CHRIST out of hand , sad yes , but comically so.

How high did the water go?
I am teachable and interested in your correct view.
So how high?

When the One who made all things which would include time as man knows it says last day one might think He knows what He is saying. He says here last day. Not last day of, or last days , Just plain ol last day. We christians say the Bile is the Word of God yet to fit into our theology we side step much of what is written. Our theologies become our truth over the Scriptures .

Joh_1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Over and over in this thread John 5 and 6 have been referred to, also the question asked ; What did Jesus say? Putting aside our preconceived thoughts ,we all have them, What did Jesus say? I will not be quoting both complete chapters. Thankful for the chapters and verses yet we know Scripture was not first written so.


Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


Joh 6:43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Joh 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Joh 6:48 I am that bread of life.
Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Like anyone here actually follows Jesus LOL

The scriptures tell us how high the water was. What you have lied to yourself and others about is saying the ark was over a mile in the heavens. Your words live with'em

I keep hoping eyes will be open to Him and His Words... I once believed most of what is posted here, Had some nudges from different sources prayed something like Lord , open my heart, my spirit and understanding to what You have to say, conform my understand to Your words. Slowly i saw much Light shinning through the opening..

'Last day' is used only 8 times in all of Scripture , 4 times in John 6 . Which is why most futurists avoid it like a leper. It doesnt fit in any rapture scheme.

You know the greatest moments in my life came by just believing what He said. So many times didn't truly understand it yet I just took it by faith. Gods words is not only for the wise, scholars to decipher . Children can understand it. Heres a clue as long as man tries without His help you will never see whats there only what you want to see. As long as you say "there is no rapture" "theres no healing" "God does not talk any more" "gifts are dead" etc. The point is as long as we say whats true God will never go against your will.

We tend to puff our selfs up and kid or make fun of others that don't follow our teaching. Reading "this is what I personally believe and why" are we? Or are we being told what Gods word really means by some believer (praise GOD) that has no more information that we do? Scripture, none for pre trib, post trib, church will be here during the great tribulation. That part why would the Church be there? Its not to test her.. our names are already written in the lambs book and are told "All the inhabitants of the earth will fall down and worship him, everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the Book of Life of the Lamb who has been slain [as a willing sacrifice].". We are not spared yet the 144k are to spread the word .. anyway one has to toss in speculation and then RUN with it.

For me I have always wondered if Matt 24 was the same as 1st Thess what Paul saw yet there was always this check in me and then both do not match at all. Speculation "dead rise" ooh there it is thats the resurrection of the dead in Rev.. a ok not whats written. Without faith its impossible to please Him. I don't know.. why not just take Him at His word that He went to make a place for you.. and He will come back and get you so where He is you will be. Knowing Paul said we which remain not them not those but we. Thats what written. As long as you have to be right.. then its you not Him.