Why do men and women hate each other?

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SimpleSheep

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Okay so obviously not all of them hate each other...but a good portion of people online and especially on sites like Reddit and Youtube seem to form these two groups of people: one for men and one for women. A lot of the time the content/posts these groups make are to talk trash about the opposite sex.

For example, MGTOW and Red Pill groups claim that all women are the same and that they shouldn't be trusted because they just want money. Some of these guys advise younger men to not even bother with marriage because the woman usually initiates a divorce and takes the children with her along with his money. Guys in these groups say women over 30 are worthless.

There are women groups like the one above that pretty much say the same thing but of men. Again, they tell young women not to get married or have babies because men don't help with housework or they cannot meet their emotional needs. They sometimes poke fun at men who cannot do things around the house. Women in these groups talk trash about short men.

This type of thinking is toxic and unhealthy but I see it everyday online and sometimes even in person. :cry:

Why is this happening? Why are people so angry against the opposite gender? Is there a way to fix this type of thinking?
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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I think the answer is found in the idea of genuine Love. This kind of Loves means that the other person's interests are placed above your own. Unless both parties feel this way . . . misery is nearly guaranteed. I'll probably never marry again, or even be in another relationship, but if I do, that person will need to share this idea with me. And if we mutually share this idea, we will become servants unto each other. I see no other way to have a peaceful, happy relationship.
 

RodB651

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@SimpleSheep .. Why do men and women hate each other?..
The answer is quite simple... Men don't put the lid back down and resent being told to do so.
 

Lynx

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Okay so obviously not all of them hate each other...but a good portion of people online and especially on sites like Reddit and Youtube seem to form these two groups of people: one for men and one for women. A lot of the time the content/posts these groups make are to talk trash about the opposite sex.

For example, MGTOW and Red Pill groups claim that all women are the same and that they shouldn't be trusted because they just want money. Some of these guys advise younger men to not even bother with marriage because the woman usually initiates a divorce and takes the children with her along with his money. Guys in these groups say women over 30 are worthless.

There are women groups like the one above that pretty much say the same thing but of men. Again, they tell young women not to get married or have babies because men don't help with housework or they cannot meet their emotional needs. They sometimes poke fun at men who cannot do things around the house. Women in these groups talk trash about short men.

This type of thinking is toxic and unhealthy but I see it everyday online and sometimes even in person. :cry:

Why is this happening? Why are people so angry against the opposite gender? Is there a way to fix this type of thinking?
People like to have someone to blame for their ills. The opposite gender is a handy target. Other people become conspiracy theorists and blame the guv'mint and/or aliens and/or the Illuminati.

Is there a way to fix it? No, not really. These people have always been with us and always will. The internet just gives them a louder, much more annoying voice.
 

Lanolin

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Are you trying to start a fight simplesheep? do men and women hate each other?

men- no we dont
women - yes you do
men- nope prove it
women- we dont have to prove it
men - yes you do
women - no we dont

15000 posts later

what are we are arguing about again?
 
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JAPOV

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Okay so obviously not all of them hate each other...but a good portion of people online and especially on sites like Reddit and Youtube seem to form these two groups of people: one for men and one for women. A lot of the time the content/posts these groups make are to talk trash about the opposite sex.

For example, MGTOW and Red Pill groups claim that all women are the same and that they shouldn't be trusted because they just want money. Some of these guys advise younger men to not even bother with marriage because the woman usually initiates a divorce and takes the children with her along with his money. Guys in these groups say women over 30 are worthless.

There are women groups like the one above that pretty much say the same thing but of men. Again, they tell young women not to get married or have babies because men don't help with housework or they cannot meet their emotional needs. They sometimes poke fun at men who cannot do things around the house. Women in these groups talk trash about short men.

This type of thinking is toxic and unhealthy but I see it everyday online and sometimes even in person. :cry:

Why is this happening? Why are people so angry against the opposite gender? Is there a way to fix this type of thinking?
No. You can't fix the thinking if the stereotype fits.

Sad, but true....

Perhaps a more appropriate question is... "Why do the stereotypes fit?"

Personally, I blame the unnatural lifestyle that we've created for ourselves... All in the name of profit and economic security. There's no natural love left in the world because we're all slaves of many different masters.
 
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TheIndianGirl

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Women put down men when they become disappointed in them for various reasons (not being a provider, not being responsible, infidelity, etc.).

Men put down women when they feel insecure or feel like their authority is being stepped upon (they believe most women are prostitutes and out to get their money somehow, the woman is smarter/more educated and this isn't the way it's supposed to be, etc.)

Picking on eachother's looks is just an easy way to make a person feel bad if they want to hurt someone. It's just an added bonus to the insults.
 

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kinda

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Okay so obviously not all of them hate each other...but a good portion of people online and especially on sites like Reddit and Youtube seem to form these two groups of people: one for men and one for women. A lot of the time the content/posts these groups make are to talk trash about the opposite sex.

For example, MGTOW and Red Pill groups claim that all women are the same and that they shouldn't be trusted because they just want money. Some of these guys advise younger men to not even bother with marriage because the woman usually initiates a divorce and takes the children with her along with his money. Guys in these groups say women over 30 are worthless.

There are women groups like the one above that pretty much say the same thing but of men. Again, they tell young women not to get married or have babies because men don't help with housework or they cannot meet their emotional needs. They sometimes poke fun at men who cannot do things around the house. Women in these groups talk trash about short men.

This type of thinking is toxic and unhealthy but I see it everyday online and sometimes even in person. :cry:

Why is this happening? Why are people so angry against the opposite gender? Is there a way to fix this type of thinking?

This is actually the best relationship thread I have seen in the Singles Forum. Seems very honest and true generally.

This is my perspective and may not be agreeable to you, or might even be slightly offensive to some, so feel free to skip this post, if you tend to get upset from a different perspective.

With that said....

Marriage has been failing for some time and the odds are like 50% chance that it will end in divorce. Approximately 70% of the time divorce is filed by the woman. Also, woman usually get the children on separation, and guess who usually has to pay for child support? Da man! Yeah us! lol Not me, since never walking down that aisle...Nope!

There also a thing called alimony, where a man has to pay an ex-wife, because that's what a man gets for wanting to get married. It is extremely rare that a woman pays alimony or child support to a man, almost unheard of. To top it all, men or going to prison, because sometimes emergencies happen, but that's no excuse in the courts eyes, to not pay for your ex-wife's alimony, and/or children support.

Lets start from the beginning of a relationship, shall we? Guess who is expected to pay for dates? Men. Guess who pays for the wedding ring, engagement ring, and many times the wedding ceremony?!?! Da Man. I believe historically the bride's parents were obligated to pay for the wedding, but that seems hardly true from what I have seen recently.

Also, there used to be a dowry that the woman's parents would give to the husband, to help pay for the kids, and other expenses. That is pretty much is gone. A man's income used to be enough to support a family, but usually both parents have to work to maintain a household, which further increases stress levels. Plus, who is looking after the children, when both parents are working? Public schools, television, internet, and their buddies?!?!

With the rise of feminism, woman are determined to gain equal footing with a men, and not support a men, but rather compete with them. Not just in the work place, but in married life, dating, and etc. Not saying, this is right or wrong, this is just my perspective remember?!?! I have bowed out of relationships and it has been the best thing for my spiritual, mental, physical, emotional, and financial well being. The married life is over rated and single life is under rated. Yes, there are draw backs, but there also positives, many more so in my opinion.

Do woman generally date and marry men who are less financially secure? Not very often. Do woman look for a man who is well off financially, so he can pay for the kids she wants? Is there any doubt? All signs point yes and it seems reasonable for a woman to do so. Now, how often will a woman say, during divorce, that since she didn't have a whole lot before marriage, so she isn't taking anything from the man? Rare or never would be my guess.

Many a woman has figured out that once kids are involved during marriage, it would be much easier to just divorce, take a man's money, home, and she wouldn't have to deal with the married life, and just get to look after her kids. Many, many times this puts the divorced man in the dog house. He can't afford his bills and is far worse financially, than he was before marriage. Often leading to homelessness, depression, and suicide....Not to mention severe bitterness.

Than angry divorced man tells all his friends and family what happened. At first most will scoff and say, this doesn't happen very often, but over time the story keeps ringing true from other divorced men. So, men have realized society has belittled us to a point, where it's better and safer to not even date, or even consider marriage. My neighbor told me his story and it is pretty horrible.

Also, from my perspective, woman generally want to be the leader of the household. So, where does that leave men?!?!

Now that times are tough and unsettling, I can see that in a woman's eyes, men are looking more and more attractive. A source of financial security, some added protection from other men, and etc. I think the mgtow movement makes a ton of sense for many people, including myself. I don't see woman in a negative light at all, they are looking out for their best interest, so let men look out for their best interest, without being labeled in a unflattering way.

I know woman have complaints and concerns of their own. Like men historically have cheated and divorced to find a younger more attractive woman, after she gave it her all when she was younger. To me the trust has been broken on both sides. If you think it's just the opposite sex that is at fault, well, it takes to tangle, and this tangled web will take awhile to unravel. I guess we can all agree that we are all sinners.

Long story short.....

Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.

https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/7-8.htm


If people don't like the current landscape of relationships, what are you doing to make things better?
 

Jesus_Leads

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Okay so obviously not all of them hate each other...but a good portion of people online and especially on sites like Reddit and Youtube seem to form these two groups of people: one for men and one for women. A lot of the time the content/posts these groups make are to talk trash about the opposite sex.

For example, MGTOW and Red Pill groups claim that all women are the same and that they shouldn't be trusted because they just want money. Some of these guys advise younger men to not even bother with marriage because the woman usually initiates a divorce and takes the children with her along with his money. Guys in these groups say women over 30 are worthless.

There are women groups like the one above that pretty much say the same thing but of men. Again, they tell young women not to get married or have babies because men don't help with housework or they cannot meet their emotional needs. They sometimes poke fun at men who cannot do things around the house. Women in these groups talk trash about short men.

This type of thinking is toxic and unhealthy but I see it everyday online and sometimes even in person. :cry:

Why is this happening? Why are people so angry against the opposite gender? Is there a way to fix this type of thinking?
Woww, I always thought only men talk trash about women and women don't do these stuffs. Guys arround me talk about girls for fun not in this mean way you mentioned here. It's better for you not to visit these sites they might have negative impact on your mind. Our Bible says a man or woman in Jesus will love everyone arround them so these people probably are not in Christ don't bother yourself with this.
 

Jesus_Leads

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Women put down men when they become disappointed in them for various reasons (not being a provider, not being responsible, infidelity, etc.).

Men put down women when they feel insecure or feel like their authority is being stepped upon (they believe most women are prostitutes and out to get their money somehow, the woman is smarter/more educated and this isn't the way it's supposed to be, etc.)

Picking on eachother's looks is just an easy way to make a person feel bad if they want to hurt someone. It's just an added bonus to the insults.
Easy there, you might have to add some men/women think this way.
 

Jesus_Leads

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You started this thread to know the reason why women and men talk bad of eachother instead of finding the reason here we have a thread where people roast opposite gender.
 
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SimpleSheep

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No. You can't fix the thinking if the stereotype fits.

Sad, but true....

Perhaps a more appropriate question is... "Why do the stereotypes fit?"

Personally, I blame the unnatural lifestyle that we've created for ourselves... All in the name of profit and economic security. There's no natural love left in the world because we're all slaves of many different masters.
I find your post very interesting. Could you elaborate? What masters are you talking about here? How is our lifestyle unnatural today?
I'm not trying to argue, I really do find this discussion interesting. :D
 
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TheIndianGirl

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Now, how often will a woman say, during divorce, that since she didn't have a whole lot before marriage, so she isn't taking anything from the man? Rare or never would be my guess.
I unfortunately have a few divorced friends (no kids) but to my eyes the divorces didn't seem too nasty financially. The women have jobs and they weren't out to get money from the husband and are even on speaking terms. However, I can see how a divorce can get nasty financially if there are kids involved and if the wife wasn't working (or has no/minimal means to earn an income), as the wife cannot support her kids or herself. So I disagree that women are out to get money ruthlessly, unless they need to, or if there is a reason like infidelity where it is a case of vengeance.

I know woman have complaints and concerns of their own. Like men historically have cheated and divorced to find a younger more attractive woman, after she gave it her all when she was younger.
A husband having an affair with a young attractive woman, or having a mistress, is probably one of the biggest fears for middle-aged married women. However, the thing is, the husband usually doesn't file for a divorce in these cases as he sees a clear distinction between mistress and wife, and will go back to the wife/kids if push comes to shove. The husband is fine having a side chick and a wife. The woman is left to file the divorce, and yes she will try to grab as much as possible. That women initiate divorce doesn't necessarily mean women want divorce more than men. I suspect both are miserable and want to file for divorce, but the man doesn't want to/file the paperwork since he doesn't want to pay child support/alimony/etc.
 
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JAPOV

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We are simply not in a place God intended... Look at how most of the previous responses revolve around money and keeping up with the Jones'...

In a perfect world God would receive full credit for what He provides freely according to His promise, and we would all prosper according to His will. MONEY WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

Do you believe there will be any money in Christ's millennial kingdom if God paves the streets of His kingdom with what sinners desire most?
 

kinda

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I unfortunately have a few divorced friends (no kids) but to my eyes the divorces didn't seem too nasty financially. The women have jobs and they weren't out to get money from the husband and are even on speaking terms. However, I can see how a divorce can get nasty financially if there are kids involved and if the wife wasn't working (or has no/minimal means to earn an income), as the wife cannot support her kids or herself. So I disagree that women are out to get money ruthlessly, unless they need to, or if there is a reason like infidelity where it is a case of vengeance.



A husband having an affair with a young attractive woman, or having a mistress, is probably one of the biggest fears for middle-aged married women. However, the thing is, the husband usually doesn't file for a divorce in these cases as he sees a clear distinction between mistress and wife, and will go back to the wife/kids if push comes to shove. The husband is fine having a side chick and a wife. The woman is left to file the divorce, and yes she will try to grab as much as possible. That women initiate divorce doesn't necessarily mean women want divorce more than men. I suspect both are miserable and want to file for divorce, but the man doesn't want to/file the paperwork since he doesn't want to pay child support/alimony/etc.
Sorry to hear about your friends that were divorced, must be rough.

I would love to hear the reasoning of why these people choose to divorce, not because I want to hear drama, but the reasoning seems to be important. You care to share why they got divorced?

The reasons people give for divorce seem almost comical sometimes. A lady at work told me, that her husband wasn't very talkative, so she ended the marriage. If the truth came out of the real reasons of divorce, it would probably be different on what people say, to their lawyers. Just a hunch.

A guy from work told me his wife is leaving him, with no reason why, but he did a little snooping, and found out it was with her daughter's friend's dad. Surprise! Surprise! Cheating is on both sides, not just the men.
 

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Pastor Mike Winger just started a video series about women in ministry and what the Bible says about women's roles. His first video came out yesterday and he plans to do 8 or 9 more videos on the subject. One per week I assume.

@SimpleSheep, I would encourage you to go to Mike Winger's YouTube channel and watch each video as they come out. Mike has said that he has done a lot of extensive research and study. I think your questions will be answered.

The rest of us can benefit from Mike's videos as well.
 

love_comes_softly

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I think there are endless reasons why men and women end up hating one another. The top ones that come to mind for me are:

1. God is no longer first in their relationship. They no longer are making an effort to seek him, if they ever were, in the relationship.

The following are used as excuses for hating the opposite sex (even if the feelings are valid).

2. Laziness- People often want what they want without an work or effort. All relationships take work and effort, but many don’t want to put in the time, patience and love that a relationship takes

3. The grass is always greener elsewhere- When one or the other has been hurt or grows tired of the relationship, it’s easier to think it would be better with someone else.

4. Fear/Insecurity takes the joy away from individuals and relationships when the fear and insecurity are allowed to grow and fester.


Again, there are lots of reasons for couples to grow apart and to even hate one another. Typically, when it turns into generally hating the whole entire group of the opposite sex, it’s usually a bitterness that has come from a failed relationship (their own or one they’ve witnessed within their family).


Can this outlook change? Of course, there is always room for change, but is it likely??

I believe God can change a person and their outlook and hate for someone or something. It probably takes a lot of grace, love and healing, but it’s possible.
 

Lanolin

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I dont think men and women hate each other

maybe marriage/sex ruins everything though?

I dont know what a red pill group or MGOTW is
But...I wouldnt spend all my time reading junk on reddit or watching you-tube. Seriously, there are better things to think about.