Repentance

Both the ability and desire to repent comes from the Right Hand of Salvation.

Saul wasn't saved, Paul was. So yes, his words and rituals would have been empty before his revelation.

You 100% missed the point.

Oh yes please, do explain.

I'll pass. I can see that the Lord has not given me the ability to explain things to you.

The simple answer is that you didn't try. Likely because you didn't have a salient point.

Thank you. You just proved that the Lord has not given me the ability to penetrate your eyes and ears. It's your hate-filled attitude that is blocking the way.

Whenever you are done having a temper tandrum, feel free to explain the premise of your argument.

No thanks, dad. I find no possible way of having a rational conversation with you.

I disagree with this statement ------Repentance points us TOWARD God ------so God can the change the heart of the person to accept His Word of Faith ----and that in turn brings us to Salvation and --It is Salvation that allows us to be in God's Presents ---not repentance in my view

John The Baptise came to get people to Repent by water Baptism so they could receive the right Faith through hearing the Word and would be ready to receive their Salvation by being baptised in the Holy Spirit ------

Go clean your room!

Nah. But I will, and have, put you on the Ignore list. Perhaps one day when you don't reflect a Pharisee, Sadducee or a teacher of the law, we might be able to have a conversation. Hopefully, you'll reflect the mindset of a disciple or apostle.

I get the feeling he was upset about something outside of this thread. He can cool down for as long as he needs.

Another angle to this is that not all repentence is necessarily good. The Pharisees essentially were asking Jesus to 'repent' relative to the message He preached. It is possible that one can repent of a good thing that at the time is erroneously perceived to be a sin.

To have good repentence is to upheave the parts of us that are rooted in sin, and like any undesired weed, these roots grow and reach out daily. In order to do that we have to have an understanding in our heart and mind as to identify clearly between the weeds that need unrooting and fruitful parts of us that require nurturing. A good conscience is needed for repentence.

Baptism is the appeal for good conscience.

I agree with your first step, but my studies have found that when we go to Christ as Christ asks us to, Christ says the first step is then repentance, Christ cannot live within us if we are not repentant of sin for Christ cannot live with sin.

Do you think that we should not know about or acknowledge that the Lords Prayer is a condensed version of the standing prayer?

I disagree with this statement ------the sin nature is the part of us that is rooted in Sin -----Repentance cannot upheave our Sin Nature ------only a change in Nature can do that ----True Repentance is knowing we are sinners in need of a Saviour----it prepares the way ----

The Lord's prayer is the correct version of the standing prayer. And even in that sense Jesus states "pray like this" which means it isn't necessary to do so verbatim.

There is no garauntee that the version of the standing prayer you are reading from is actually what was spoken in that time. I think there is good value in comparing Christian customs to cousin religions like modern Judaism, but only with the heaviest of caution that modern Judaism is an antiChrist religion, OT Judaism was not. It is important not to get suckered into the bad doctrine and false historical claims that are present in modern Judaism. There are sprinklings of good things written, much like any pagan religion can have sprinklings of good things. God can speak through many different peoples. That does not make the literature of modern Judaism a safe and idol-free resource to draw upon. Everything should be seen through the lens of the NT, otherwise one gains only a veiled perspective.

If something in the writings of modern Judaism (or alleged 0AD Judaism) resonates with you, follow your heart and mind. Maybe God is speaking through abstract things to say whatever you need to hear. But, be wary of idolizing a culture merely on a claim that they are inheritors of a promise. Especially if your perspective is that those of that culture are just blind to Christ currently, why would you follow the blind when you have the truth in Christ?

Yes, maybe there is something of value that you can draw from the version of the standing prayer you reference, but in a sense only in the same capacity as reading Tarot cards or drawing lots. God will reveal what He needs to reveal to you, and that may be different than what is revealed to someone else (an ear receives messages that an ear needs and a foot receives messages that a foot needs).

Sunlight is the best disinfectant, there should be no issue with reading or observing anything so long as it is consistent with the covenant of Christ. But modern Judaism has become an idol for some Christian believers that can lead people away from the truth, therefore it is prudent to be mindful of this and avoid modern Judaic teachings if you feel the pull of idolatry.

By upheaval of the parts of us that are sin, I only mean the manifestations of sin and to take sin out of the pilot's seat. I agree that sin nature is something only the Farmer can take care of. The weeds in the garden will continually pop up, a dilligent garden tender will pull out the weeds whenever they are seen. And by reducing the number of weeds in our own garden, we also reduce the number of weeds seeds that are spread to neighbouring gardens by the wind. We can also have the oppose happen, where a beautiful garden can pass its beauty to a neighbouring garden by seeds in the wind from beautiful plants.

That is because you began by discussing the Jewish daily prayer: "For hundreds of years, and even today, Jews say a daily prayer praising God for his might, his kindness, his forgiveness, and many other blessings we have. Included is a blessing for repentance. "

There was absolutely no need to bring this up since the call to repentance is a part of the Christian Gospel. There is no salvation without repentance and there is no remission of sins without repentance. That is a part of the Gospel of Christ. All the Jews in the world today need to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.