Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

It is NOT a either/or and i never said that, but it is before the LORD.

Here is Holy Spirit wisdom in the things of God that i have been sharing:

#1. "the LORD never set before us a path of intellectualism that, by itself, leads us to Eternal LIFE = the Holy Spirit.

#2. "the FACT that i can understand Scripture and your posts and the error of your posts shows forth these immutable Truths.
God created man to have thought/intellect/decision making abilities.
Man's intellect became contaminated by and thru sin, this is what we were conceived and born into this world in, and were educated in = thus the Scripture says: "do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. " Romans 12:2

#3. religion is outward, relies on the intellect, and is conformed to this world with the guise of spirituality.

#4. being conformed to the Mind of Christ means our intellect bows the knee and submits unto Christ

#5. the evidence of a mind that is not submitted to Christ is one that argues against Scripture, puffs oneself up
whereby they 'assume' they are being patronized because they assume their intellect is above others.

#6. religion loves and operates under intellectual prowess, in which many submit to and admire = respect of persons

#7. God frowns on point #6 = "But HE gives more grace. Therefore HE says: “God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.”

AGAIN - it is not by intellect that the Holy Spirit placed this understanding in 1 Corinthians

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”

Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom;
but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

HalleluYah and Praise the LORD my Brother, and yet Saul of Tarsus study led to the stoning of simpleton Stephen who,
conspicously was filled with the Holy Spirit = Acts ch7
Saul's intellect was corrupted and of no avail to God or his brethren of the flesh until WHEN?

please review Post #1,135 - thank you, my Brother

It's becoming increasing clear you're just looking for attention, so find another stooge to play with. I have better things to do.

"Simpleton Stephen"?

Paul was a "Pharisee of Pharisees", his conversion was miraculus, a choice by God to further His Gospel.
Jesus was clear that ALL things are new in Him, when Paul had his experience and subsequent healing in Damascus he then spent time learning, growing in the Spirit and knowledge of His ways.

AND - Paul was Baptized in the Holy Spirit which made all the difference in his understanding - amen.

the Apostle Paul said: "I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you." - 1 Cor 14:18

AGAIN - you misquote the Scripture and adulterate the understanding = religion vs Spirit

For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God,
being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.
There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh,
but the answer of a good conscience toward God), = this comes from the heart = INWARD
through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, (not water baptism) who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

the Apostle Peter makes it CLEAR as DAY = water baptism is purely symbolic = it is the heart confession unto Christ that saves

Greek word used = antitypon
symbolizes
ἀντίτυπον (antitypon)
Adjective - Nominative Neuter Singular
Strong's Greek 499: Neuter of a compound of anti and tupos; corresponding, i.e. A representative, counterpart.

This "water" refers to physical childbirth.
One must be born of the flesh AND of the spirit. This is not water baptism.

That is scripture...do you have any understanding...at all?
I can't change scriptures.
Geesscch!!!

Declaring me lost won't change the truth.[/QUOTE
I've heard reprobates say that as well.

timed out...
Amniotic fluid is not water....(LOL)......not even a good try.

I have never seen a Christian reject God's word....like you are doing.

Your explanation is rejected. You do not believe in the Bible.
End of debate.

Saul of Tarsus that represents 'intellectualism' versus the simple faith = Stephen

Intellectualism that is not submitted to Christ always seeks to 'stamp out and cancel' those with the Holy Spirit.

Intellectuals scoff at simpleton's in Christ.

What they fail to realize is that God delights and chooses those who are despised to bring Glory to Himself.

I pretty much disagree with all of these statements....
You are painting with a broad brush against intellectuals (whatever that means) the same way you accuse others of painting with a broad brush against Pentecostals....
If your statements were true, then we should expect all Christians to have IQ's in the 60's....

In fact, you reinforced my point that Paul, even though an "intellectual" spoke in tongues....

This thread has taken a seriously silly turn....

I pretty much disagree with all of these statements....
You are painting with a broad brush against intellectuals (whatever that means) the same way you accuse others of painting with a broad brush against Pentecostals....
If your statements were true, then we should expect all Christians to have IQ's in the 60's....

In fact, you reinforced my point that Paul, even though an "intellectual" spoke in tongues....

This thread has taken a seriously silly turn....

I just got home from ministering the music for an AOG congregation. My son and I play for them every Saturday evening.
They like the term "resurrection Sunday" instead of Easter. One of the long-time members told my son "actually, TODAY is resurrection day". It dawned on me that most congregations probably have differing views on scripture within their own group. Maybe it is according to their level of study. I'm not sure. I love all of these people and we have a nice time.
I'm not a member. They ONLY speak in English to me.
We all worship the same God and share the blessings of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.
Our doctrinal differences don't interfere with the services. Praise God.