Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

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Wansvic

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Go tell that to all the translators who translated it as "literal water symbolizes the baptism that saves us.

You think literal water saves. No, faith saves. Paul told that to a jailer. Never mentioned water baptism as the means of getting saved.
Yes, he was saved, to declare his faith to others.

Mark 1:8 is a clear statement that water baptism is DIFFERENT than Holy Spirit baptism.

We are saved when we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit. That is the baptism that saves. Not water.

Water kills. Just ask any member of the human race during Noah's day after the flood began.

Or, ask any Egyptian soldier who pursued the Israelites into the Red Sea.

In both cases, the literal water KILLED those who were immersed.

Read 1 Cor 10:1-5 with a straight face. Paul described the Exodus generation as having been "baptized into Moses and INTO the SEA".

In fact, they all went through the Red Sea on DRY ground. Not a drop got on any of them.

You still don't understand the meaning of baptism.
God changes not. Being reborn requires death.
 

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As confirmed through multiple examples, both water baptism in the name of Jesus and receiving the Holy Ghost are required. (Acts 2:38, 22:16, 8:12-17, 10:43-48, 19:1-6...) The sequence differed indicating one was not sufficient without the other. This truth is further understood by Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus in John 3:3-5. Everyone must be born of water and Spirit. A parallel can be seen in God's design of the natural birth. The baby comes out of the water of it's mother's womb and draws air into it's lungs. Taking either one away results in a stillborn child.
Jesus to Nicodemus about born of water was speaking of physical birth. Spiritual is of fire.

The baptism of fire is what happens when we see someone accept the name of Jesus as Lord and Savior.

Let us remember the thief on the cross as well.
 
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Go tell that to all the translators who translated it as "literal water symbolizes the baptism that saves us.

You think literal water saves. No, faith saves. Paul told that to a jailer. Never mentioned water baptism as the means of getting saved.
Yes, he was saved, to declare his faith to others.

Mark 1:8 is a clear statement that water baptism is DIFFERENT than Holy Spirit baptism.

We are saved when we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit. That is the baptism that saves. Not water.

Water kills. Just ask any member of the human race during Noah's day after the flood began.

Or, ask any Egyptian soldier who pursued the Israelites into the Red Sea.

In both cases, the literal water KILLED those who were immersed.

Read 1 Cor 10:1-5 with a straight face. Paul described the Exodus generation as having been "baptized into Moses and INTO the SEA".

In fact, they all went through the Red Sea on DRY ground. Not a drop got on any of them.

You still don't understand the meaning of baptism.
What was the name of that sea again - did you say RED Sea - hmm, we're unto to something here.........
 

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Water baptism was not an OT law. It was initiated by John the Baptist and later modified to include the name of the Lord Jesus (after His death, burial and resurrection) on the Day of Pentecost as prophesied by Jesus in Luke 24:47. (Acts 2:38)
Let's remember Jesus was already sinless and righteous. But His baptism was symbolic as the Lamb of God. John's family were accustomed to temple sacrifices. One of the duties of the priests in the Old Testament was to present the sacrifices before the Lord. Jesus being prepared as the ultimate sacrifice.


John 1:29
New International Version

29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Matthew 3:11 (ESV)
11 “I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
 
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Bottom line is, what raised Jesus from the dead = was it water baptism or the Spirit? = according to Scripture now- alone
The Spirit raised Jesus from the dead, but did Jesus have the Spirit prior to His baptism? This may seem like an unusual question given who Jesus is, but let's look at what the Bible says:

The Spirit did not descend upon Him until His baptism:
Matthew 3:16
16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
 
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Thanks for your reply. I guess we'd just have to have a sit down, face to face conversation where we could ask and clarify instantly. To be honest, it is extremely difficult to get anywhere through text alone. The fact that we can spend days working up a reply to what a person says is not good. I believe that it is best to have instant clarification, or, if a person cannot clarify instantly, then it shows that perhaps that person doesn't really understand what they're talking about.
I agree.

So, I must say that I really don't understand where you're coming from. As for those who rose from the dead . . . did they all receive water Baptism?

Matthew 27:50-53 NLT - "Then Jesus shouted out again, and he released his spirit. At that moment the curtain in the sanctuary of the Temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. The earth shook, rocks split apart, and tombs opened. The bodies of many godly men and women who had died were raised from the dead. They left the cemetery after Jesus' resurrection, went into the holy city of Jerusalem, and appeared to many people."

What we find is that these men and women were already considered Holy, yet they did not receive water Baptism.
Doesn't say they weren't baptized, which is important, but they most likely were baptized since John baptized most, if not all, of the people in the Judea countryside and Jerusalem.

Mark 1:5
5And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

Ephesians 4:5 NLT - "There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism . . ."

There is one God for all.

There is one Faith for all.

There is one Baptism for all.

As I have pointed out in previous sets of Scripture, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit all take credit for performing Spiritual Circumcision. And without the Spiritual Circumcision, there can be no granted Faith, nor can there be the [one] Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
There are numerous kinds of baptisms, Ephesians 4:5 doesn't exactly say that's a Holy Spirit baptism. In fact there are examples of being filled with the Holy Spirit more than once so the "one baptism" might not be the Holy Spirit baptism. As you can see below, the Holy Spirit baptism can occur more than once and sometimes it appears to be linked directly to water baptism and sometimes not.

However, there is not a Biblical example of anyone ever getting water baptized more than once.

Acts 2:4
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Why did Jesus send Ananias so that Saul could be filled with the Holy Ghost? Can a human fill someone else with the Holy Ghost or was it because he was water baptized?
Acts 13:17-18
17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

Acts 13:52
52 And the disciples were filled with joy, and with the Holy Ghost.

And this Baptism of the Holy Spirit is what happened to Eldad and Medad of the Old Testament. Notice what Moses had to say about their Baptism of the Holy Spirit:

Numbers 11:26-29 NLT - "Two men, Eldad and Medad, had stayed behind in the camp. They were listed among the elders, but they had not gone out to the Tabernacle. Yet the Spirit rested upon them as well, so they prophesied there in the camp. A young man ran and reported to Moses, "Eldad and Medad are prophesying in the camp!" Joshua son of Nun, who had been Moses' assistant since his youth, protested, "Moses, my master, make them stop!" But Moses replied, "Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the LORD's people were prophets and that the LORD would put his Spirit upon them all!"

Again, there is ONE Lord, ONE Faith, ONE Baptism. How we define this baptism is done by many different words and concepts, but it is the same Baptism. Any other form of Baptism does not contain any Effectual Power, hence, there is ONE Baptism.

Peace to you . . .
Thanks for sharing. Peace to you.
 
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So, it's now "flawed views", huh. At one time, you said you agreed with MOST of what I posted. So, just over your own flawed misunderstanding of 1 verse I have "flawed views" of the Bible. What a flip flop.
At one point I agreed with most of what you posted up until you started revealing your hand by responding to my posts. With every post the commonality I thought we once shared has become an ever-receding pocket filled mostly with disagreements. I am not even convinced we believe in the same God at this point.

I showed your contradiction. Here it is again.

You admit that water baptism is not required for salvaation.
But you insist that water baptism is required for resurrection.

Yet, the Bible says plainly that the resurrection is for "those who belong to Christ".

You would have it that resurrection is for "those who have been water baptized".

But you are blind to your error.
Please source my alleged contradictions. Your paraphrasing of it is obviously void of all context and contains a blatant typographical error.


Would you please inform me of this "demoninational creed" you think I have? In fact, I've attended an independent church for over 2 decades. But what demonination do you think I am clinging to?
Your stance isn't Biblical, which has been revealed over several different pages and threads this month. I'm not going to list your errors. I addressed them as they arose and if you didn't receive correction for them then that's your fault not mine.


There is NO chance of that. I just showed you again how contradicted you are. Look above again.
No I don't think so. I think you showed me you just don't agree with the Bible and didn't point to the source of my alleged contradiction. Apparently you're the only one who's seeing this. You're chasing ghosts.


" and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,"s

OK, let me clarify for you. The verse DOESN'T SAY that water baptism is required for being resurrected.
Look again. The context is about water from the great flood which was a kind of baptism in its own right. However, the baptism that we do now is still water baptism, but the purpose of water baptism is not about getting clean, but about a clear conscience to God. It's an act of faith.

Water baptism is necessary to have a resurrection like Jesus Christ:
1 Peter 3:21
...even baptism doth also now save us... by the resurrection of Jesus Christ...

A coming resurrection is literal, not symbolic, that means the below verses are for a literal resurrection:
Romans 6:4,5
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:




If you would read more carefully, it is the resurrection of Jesus that was mentioned. But your claim is that WE need to be water baptized to be resurrected. So you just remain confused. More and more.
No you're confused and the word of God will keep refuting you until you're tired.

The verse mentions the resurrection of Christ, but NOT the resurrection of believers. That's your error.
You don't read the context, that's your error.


No one said they were. But...resurrection is based on being saved. 1 Cor 15:23 makes that extremely clear.

You wrongly think that resurrection is based on being water baptized. Couldn't be more wrong.
1 Cor. 15:23 is a standalone verse about the order of the resurrection. It doesn't expand on what is required to be resurrected.
 
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The Spirit raised Jesus from the dead, but did Jesus have the Spirit prior to His baptism? This may seem like an unusual question given who Jesus is, but let's look at what the Bible says:

The Spirit did not descend upon Him until His baptism:
Matthew 3:16
16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Well, Jesus came from the FATHER so HE definitely had the Spirit of God in HIM but we see that, "HE immediately coming up out of water the Holy Spirit RESTED and REMAINED upon Him and the Voice from Heaven saying: "this is My Beloved Son in whom I am well Pleased."

This is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, which is the SECOND PROMISE of the FATHER.

LOOK & SEE = water baptism was/is an essential part of the Will of God for us = no doubt. The MORE IMPORTANT Baptism is the Holy Spirit.
The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is the READ DEAL that empowers His Sons and Daughters.

Acts ch2
In the last days, God says,
I will pour out My Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
Even on My menservants and maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.

Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. This promise belongs to you and your children and to all who are far off—to all whom the Lord our God will call to Himself.”
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
So, it's now "flawed views", huh. At one time, you said you agreed with MOST of what I posted. So, just over your own flawed misunderstanding of 1 verse I have "flawed views" of the Bible. What a flip flop.
At one point I agreed with most of what you posted up until you started revealing your hand by responding to my posts.
I was dealing with your posts then. So it's YOU who have flip flopped. I disagree with your weird view of 1 Cor 15:29. How many commentators are as convinced as you are of that verse? Do you have a count?

With every post the commonality I thought we once shared has become an ever-receding pocket filled mostly with disagreements.
There were many areas of agreement. But we do disagree on what 1 Cor 15:29 is or isn't about.

I am not even convinced we believe in the same God at this point.
That is sick. All because of your view of water baptism being a requirement for resurrection???? Other than 1 Cor 15:29 where else does the Bible support that view?

I posted this:
"I showed your contradiction. Here it is again.

You admit that water baptism is not required for salvaation.
But you insist that water baptism is required for resurrection.

Yet, the Bible says plainly that the resurrection is for "those who belong to Christ".

You would have it that resurrection is for "those who have been water baptized".

But you are blind to your error."

Please source my alleged contradictions. [/QUOTE]
I did. Above. Your own stated views.

Your paraphrasing of it is obviously void of all context and contains a blatant typographical error.
If so, then please correct me.

I said:
"Would you please inform me of this "demoninational creed" you think I have? In fact, I've attended an independent church for over 2 decades. But what demonination do you think I am clinging to?"
Your stance isn't Biblical, which has been revealed over several different pages and threads this month.
That is your opinion. How all in the scholarly group of men are on your side? Who else believes what you believe about water baptism and resurrection.

And you didn't mention what you think is my "denomination creed". Why? I asked what you think it is.

I'm not going to list your errors.
Of course you aren't. You don't even have a list.

I addressed them as they arose and if you didn't receive correction for them then that's your fault not mine.
Oh, you mean you voiced your opinion. Sure.

No I don't think so. I think you showed me you just don't agree with the Bible
No, I showed you that I don't agree with your opinion about what the Bible says. I sure don't have a disagreement with the Bible.

and didn't point to the source of my alleged contradiction. Apparently you're the only one who's seeing this. You're chasing ghosts.
I did. But it seems you are in FULL DENIAL mode.

You admit salvation is based on faith, not water baptism.

But you claim that resurection is based on water baptism. That is the contradiction.

Salvation is based on faith and IS the requirement for believer's resurrection.


Look again. The context is about water from the great flood which was a kind of baptism in its own right.
Hardly. Everyone who was immersed in the flood waters DIED. Or didn't you read the account of Noah???

However, the baptism that we do now is still water baptism, but the purpose of water baptism is not about getting clean, but about a clear conscience to God. It's an act of faith.
No. It is an act of obedience.

Water baptism is necessary to have a resurrection like Jesus Christ:
1 Peter 3:21
...even baptism doth also now save us... by the resurrection of Jesus Christ...
You are only quoting part of the verse. It begins with literal water being a SYMBOL of the baptism that saves us.

New International Version
and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Berean Study Bible
And this water symbolizes the baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
World English Bible
This is a symbol of baptism, which now saves you--not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Once again, water baptism is a symbol of Spirit baptism.

A coming resurrection is literal, not symbolic
Of course not. Why even bothering stating what is so very obvious.

that means the below verses are for a literal resurrection:
Romans 6:4,5
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Our literal resurrection does NOT involve any water.

No you're confused and the word of God will keep refuting you until you're tired.
Your view has been refuted.

You don't read the context, that's your error.
Of course I do.

1 Cor. 15:23 is a standalone verse about the order of the resurrection. It doesn't expand on what is required to be resurrected.
yes it does, but it seems your eyes are closed. Here we go again:

"But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him."

Blue words tell us WHEN the resurrection of believers will occur.
Red words tell us WHO will be resurrected.

So, it is ONLY "those who belong to Him", being all the saved people from Adam on, will be resurrected.

If you don't think the red words indicate the requirement of who will be resurrected, that's your reading error.

Only BELIEVERS will be resurrected.
 

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The reason I mention the NT command to be water baptized was from God follows: Jesus was God manifested in the flesh. (John 1:1) With that in mind notice what Luke states in Acts 1:1-2. After Jesus' ascension He gave commandments to His apostles through the Holy Ghost. And it was after the Holy Ghost was given on the Day of Pentecost that Peter commanded everyone who accepted Jesus' death, burial and resurrection to repent, and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin and stated they should receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

" The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

Also, the interaction between Jesus and John the Baptist confirms both water baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost are necessary. One did not replace the other. Notice when Jesus came to John the Baptist to be baptized, John said I have need to be baptized by you. John understood He needed to receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost. Nonetheless, Jesus told John to water baptize Him in order to fulfill all righteousness. Clearly Jesus was indicating both were necessary.
But you keep using this:
"and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin and stated they should receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

It does not refer to water baptism. This is true of many versus used to support water baptism.
Baptism means "Immersion".

"Immerse yourself in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin and you will be given a gift of the Holy Spirit.

Sounds like "Baptized in the Spirit".
 
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But you keep using this:
"and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin and stated they should receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

It does not refer to water baptism. This is true of many versus used to support water baptism.
Baptism means "Immersion".

"Immerse yourself in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin and you will be given a gift of the Holy Spirit.

Sounds like "Baptized in the Spirit".
Sounds like that because it IS EXACTLY THAT!!!!! (y)
 

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Let's remember Jesus was already sinless and righteous. But His baptism was symbolic as the Lamb of God. John's family were accustomed to temple sacrifices. One of the duties of the priests in the Old Testament was to present the sacrifices before the Lord. Jesus being prepared as the ultimate sacrifice.


John 1:29
New International Version

29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Matthew 3:11 (ESV)
11 “I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Very good points!
John spent a lot of time at the northern edge of the Judean wilderness at a place called "Bethabara".
many people came there to be baptized.
This means that John was not a "wanderer", as many think.
He was a priest in the line of the Levites. He was in the line of the "Sons of Zadok".
The were the temple priests that were exiled by the Hasmoneans.
I'm not sure why we don't call this place "Bethabara" today. Everyone seems to like to call it "Qumran".
This was NOT an Essene community (they were at Ein Gede).
The writers of the Dead Sea scrolls actually identify themselves as "The Son's of Zadok" (the exiled Hebrew Priests).
Essenes never would have lied about their identity. Why would they?
OK. that's another topic.

Great Points, though!
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
So, it's now "flawed views", huh. At one time, you said you agreed with MOST of what I posted. So, just over your own flawed misunderstanding of 1 verse I have "flawed views" of the Bible. What a flip flop.

I was dealing with your posts then. So it's YOU who have flip flopped. I disagree with your weird view of 1 Cor 15:29. How many commentators are as convinced as you are of that verse? Do you have a count?


There were many areas of agreement. But we do disagree on what 1 Cor 15:29 is or isn't about.


That is sick. All because of your view of water baptism being a requirement for resurrection???? Other than 1 Cor 15:29 where else does the Bible support that view?

I posted this:
"I showed your contradiction. Here it is again.

You admit that water baptism is not required for salvaation.
But you insist that water baptism is required for resurrection.

Yet, the Bible says plainly that the resurrection is for "those who belong to Christ".

You would have it that resurrection is for "those who have been water baptized".

But you are blind to your error."

Please source my alleged contradictions.
I did. Above. Your own stated views.


If so, then please correct me.

I said:
"Would you please inform me of this "demoninational creed" you think I have? In fact, I've attended an independent church for over 2 decades. But what demonination do you think I am clinging to?"

That is your opinion. How all in the scholarly group of men are on your side? Who else believes what you believe about water baptism and resurrection.

And you didn't mention what you think is my "denomination creed". Why? I asked what you think it is.


Of course you aren't. You don't even have a list.


Oh, you mean you voiced your opinion. Sure.


No, I showed you that I don't agree with your opinion about what the Bible says. I sure don't have a disagreement with the Bible.


I did. But it seems you are in FULL DENIAL mode.

You admit salvation is based on faith, not water baptism.

But you claim that resurection is based on water baptism. That is the contradiction.

Salvation is based on faith and IS the requirement for believer's resurrection.



Hardly. Everyone who was immersed in the flood waters DIED. Or didn't you read the account of Noah???


No. It is an act of obedience.


You are only quoting part of the verse. It begins with literal water being a SYMBOL of the baptism that saves us.

New International Version
and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Berean Study Bible
And this water symbolizes the baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
World English Bible
This is a symbol of baptism, which now saves you--not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Once again, water baptism is a symbol of Spirit baptism.


Of course not. Why even bothering stating what is so very obvious.


Our literal resurrection does NOT involve any water.


Your view has been refuted.


Of course I do.


yes it does, but it seems your eyes are closed. Here we go again:

"But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him."

Blue words tell us WHEN the resurrection of believers will occur.
Red words tell us WHO will be resurrected.

So, it is ONLY "those who belong to Him", being all the saved people from Adam on, will be resurrected.

If you don't think the red words indicate the requirement of who will be resurrected, that's your reading error.

Only BELIEVERS will be resurrected.
Okay whatever. Agreed to disagree then. I’m not going to keep trying to help you or bother replying to your argumentative comments. Nor will I read them as they aren’t useful and not valuable to me.
 
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Well, Jesus came from the FATHER so HE definitely had the Spirit of God in HIM but we see that, "HE immediately coming up out of water the Holy Spirit RESTED and REMAINED upon Him and the Voice from Heaven saying: "this is My Beloved Son in whom I am well Pleased."

This is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, which is the SECOND PROMISE of the FATHER.

LOOK & SEE = water baptism was/is an essential part of the Will of God for us = no doubt. The MORE IMPORTANT Baptism is the Holy Spirit.
The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is the READ DEAL that empowers His Sons and Daughters.

Acts ch2
In the last days, God says,
I will pour out My Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
Even on My menservants and maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.

Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. This promise belongs to you and your children and to all who are far off—to all whom the Lord our God will call to Himself.”
Biblically speaking, Jesus did not have the Holy Spirit upon Him until after He came up out of the water of His water baptism.

Jesus said water baptism is "fulfilling all righteousness."
 
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Let's remember Jesus was already sinless and righteous. But His baptism was symbolic as the Lamb of God. John's family were accustomed to temple sacrifices. One of the duties of the priests in the Old Testament was to present the sacrifices before the Lord. Jesus being prepared as the ultimate sacrifice.


John 1:29
New International Version

29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Matthew 3:11 (ESV)
11 “I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
What was Jesus' baptism symbolic of?
 
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so their now anti christ because they don’t agree with you on baptism ?

and if they state thier belief in a discussion forum that baptism in water isn’t required for almighty God to save someone , thier now evil spreaders of demonic heresy ?

this discussion forum often people don’t agree with us or even how we’ve said something , I’m not sure it’s the same thing in a public forum designed to discuss biblical things to in a conversation express what you believe or think otherwise no one could ever discuss anything

I don’t think That’s the same as claiming “ I’m an approved teacher “ everyone must agree with me otherwise your lost and spreading the devils lies “

or making ourself the judge of anyone’s else and thier relationship with Jesus themself without what we think and know from our own relationship with him salvstion is given and withheld only by Jesus I’m not sure if someone somehow isn’t able to get baptized in water he’s finished with Them
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I think it’s much more about not leaving baptism undone because we’re followers of Jesus and believers of what the New Testament says

we shouldn’t use what we know to try to destroy others or label them Lost or evil doers if they understand things differently

I happen to agree with you about water baptism it’s actually important part of doctrine but I don’t think salvation depends upon it, it’s an act of faith based on the belief that saves.

we should discuss things that can edify and build one another up , a lot of times this forum just drains the spirit repeating the same arguments relentlessly

sometimes after we make our case we can stop and pray and let time and prayer work if the motivation is really to help People prayer , peace and patience all three truly help

it’s about how we live in light of the knowledge given To us of Christ and how high a price he paid much more than any form of regulation it’s about the concepts and beliefs Jesus taught in the gospel

“What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

everything we do and say in the daylight and late at night in the dark God dwells in us and is present with us always witnessing all we do and say

One thing that is detrimental to Christians is not having any peace but having constant arguing instead over things as simple as baptism . It’s why we’ve always been so discombobulated as a church since the apostles days

if we let what’s written be true and discuss it we can come to agreement most often what’s written matters with God . Some say it’s just words but others know it’s Gods words meant for all man to hear and believe and have Hope in this world.

Wow....you are not challenging me...you are challenging God's word...why can't you understand that?

So here is His word; Your response ...please to each...begin with John 3;5;

Baptism is Required



Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.

KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.

Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth

.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.

Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.

Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.

Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.

Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).