Gun control in the USA

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Lynx

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All I could think of during the whole "reloaded ammo" conversation was all those action scenes where the Rambo-ish main character (or the A Team character who never hits anybody) keeps firing round after round and letting the casings fall to the ground. What y'all said about the shell being the most expensive part makes all those scenes look shockingly wasteful. I know, I know... They sweep them up after the scene is shot.

Or maybe 5.56 ammo is less practical to reload...
 

shittim

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#82
Proverbs 28:

13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy. 14 Happy is the man that feareth alway: but he that hardeneth his heart shall fall into mischief.

Proverbs 16:

18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
indeed, Mr. Poster of extreme prideful haughty verbiage.:unsure:
 

Lynx

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#83
I actually know a surprising amount of random information about guns from video games. Weapon degradation was the big thing for a while in games - the more you used a gun without servicing it, the higher the chance it would jam on you.

Man, I'm glad that's over. Realism can really suck in video games. :p

In fact the only thing I knew before video games was what a shotgun shell looked like, and that was only because of dad's reloader.
 

shittim

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#84
video games are not a good portrayal of reality, nor good for education.
the is a LOT of genuine information, what we give ourselves to, we become.
 

Lynx

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indeed, Mr. Poster of extreme prideful haughty verbiage.:unsure:
You seem to enjoy thinking people are attacking you. One gets the impression you almost revel in it.

Maybe it's a GOOD thing your ammo malfunctions. A guy with a loaded gun and a persecution complex... *shudder
 

shittim

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#87
your impression is erroneous and most likes based on a projecting out.
goodbye
 

Lynx

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#88
Anyway, about reloading ammo...

How many times can you make a tiny explosion in a small metal casing before it wears out and you'd better not use it any more? Does it show visible signs that indicate it should be retired, or is it a more hidden metal fatigue and you just have to keep count of how many times this batch has been reused?
 

hornetguy

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Anyway, about reloading ammo...

How many times can you make a tiny explosion in a small metal casing before it wears out and you'd better not use it any more? Does it show visible signs that indicate it should be retired, or is it a more hidden metal fatigue and you just have to keep count of how many times this batch has been reused?
YES..... brass is flexible.... but it "work-hardens".... the chamber in a firearm is slightly larger than a cartridge (to ensure smooth feeding, standards are set by SAAMI) When the cartridge is fired, the brass expands to fit snugly in the chamber, then "relaxes" just slightly so that it can be extracted....
in order to fire it again, you must remove the used primer, and run the brass case up into a metal die, which squeezes the brass case back down to the correct size. Insert a new primer, add the proper charge of powder, and push a new bullet down into the case. Voila! (or viola, if you're from the south, like me....) It is ready to be fired again.

Depending on how much the brass expands and gets squeezed back down, it begins to lose its flexibility, and can then develop splits, or cracks...
at that point, toss 'em.... I have had some cases that I have reloaded 8-10 times.... and I've had some that developed splits after reloading just a couple of times. It mostly depends on the difference between your firearm's chamber and the cartridge.

To give you an idea of brass flexibility, there is such a thing as "fireforming" a brass case. For example, the .22 Hornet (ask me how I know :rolleyes:) If you want to fire it in a .22 K Hornet, you simply put the regular Hornet cartridge in the chamber and fire it. It blows out the case to fit the K Hornet.... it starts out looking like the one on the right, and after firing, it looks like the one on the left.... that's how flexible brass is...


Hornet.jpg
 

Lynx

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Here's something I heard of, and maybe y'all can tell me if it exists. I read about it in a novel.

It was a handgun made to fit many different ammo sizes. The clip had springs in the back to adjust to different size shells. The story never specified the purpose of such a firearm, but I guess it was designed for agents in the field who needed to use whatever bullets they could find from dead opponents, like a gamer playing a first-person-shooter.

It had a couple of caveats: It didn't like speed loaders, and if you loaded smaller ammo before larger ammo it would mess up the springs.

What bothered me was, how would you make a firing chamber and barrel that would direct bullets from different size ammo? How could you get any accuracy at all? But it was just a novel, so I didn't care enough to send the author a letter. :p

Does such a gun really exist?
 

hornetguy

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There are several multi-caliber handguns, but they have to be the same diameter bullet.
The .327 Federal revolvers can shoot the Federal, the .32 H&R Magnum, the .32 Long, and (I think) the .32 ACP.....

There are revolvers that can shoot .375/.38 special, and by swapping out the cylinder, the 9mm....

There is no way to have one gun that shoots different diameter bullets... the barrel would have to be large enough for the larger calibers, leaving the bore too large for the smaller ones.... accuracy would be practically non-existent.
 

Lynx

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Yeah that's what I thought. I don't know much about guns but I know the barrel directs it and I didn't think a barrel could accurately direct different calibers.

It was a Net Force book, for the record. Tom dropped the ball on that one. :p
 

Willow

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Interesting take from a former US Marine

Sadly most of the problem isn't the ones who are willing to submit to training and buying them legally. It is the ones buying them illegally or obtaining them illegally. Most of the people who have shot people in schools etc. Got the gun without permission. Same way with criminals. I am a veteran myself and understand they will never have full charge over everyones usage of weapons. But I will never agree to give up any arms that I own. Because our government is not a Godly nation anymore.
 

Gideon300

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Sadly most of the problem isn't the ones who are willing to submit to training and buying them legally. It is the ones buying them illegally or obtaining them illegally. Most of the people who have shot people in schools etc. Got the gun without permission. Same way with criminals. I am a veteran myself and understand they will never have full charge over everyones usage of weapons. But I will never agree to give up any arms that I own. Because our government is not a Godly nation anymore.
Tell that to the people killed while celebrating Independence Day. The 4th of July comes once a year. Mass shootings come once a week.
 

Eli1

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You know what’s a good movie for all you gun enthusiasts?
Hacksaw Ridge !
Check it out. You might like it.
 

hornetguy

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You know what’s a good movie for all you gun enthusiasts?
Hacksaw Ridge !
Check it out. You might like it.
I've seen it twice. It is a good movie..... don't know why you think it would be especially good for "gun enthusiasts" though.... it's a good movie for anyone...