Next Big Debate, Obergefell v. Hodges, Gay Marriage

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How should we judge gay marriage?

  • Should the subject go back to the state?

  • Should it be outlawed nationwide?

  • Should it be legal as a human right?


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HealthAndHappiness

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So have ya heard about the bill that would make men pay child support from conception?
No, not yet. Is that a federal or states issue now?

BTW,
The Bible has a law that makes men pay child support from conception I heard.
It's called Marriage. 😄😉
 

Dirtman

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No, not yet. Is that a federal or states issue now?

BTW,
The Bible has a law that makes men pay child support from conception I heard.
It's called Marriage. 😄😉
Lol. I support the idea but its govco (the fed) so the execution will be a mess.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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VERY good point.
Even the inventor of the PCR Test, (so called gold standard), said it was anything but a standard for testing something like CV.
He said that Fauci knew nothing about virology and was a political hack.
Mullins Mysteriously died.

They stopped the animal trials when too many died and messed up their sales pitch.
I have a friend who was pressured into getting the lethal injection in order to get hospital treatment for something unrelated. She now has a brain tumor and hospice wants to put her down even though she has no pain at this time.
Mysteriously died. Lots of that goes around if someone influential starts bucking the tide.

A lot of those who had access to the public, influencer types, 1 pastor I know of named Marcus Lamb, and others who spoke put against either the vaccine or said something like the COVID virus is for population control, are dead now.

Of what? COVID.

I know people who lost family after their relative received the vaccine.

Others who also got all their boosters ended up diagnosed with incurable diseases or developed issues that compromise their body's natural function.

Justin Bieber developed Ramsey Hunt disorder after he was vaccinated and boosted.

Faucci is said to have had stock in the pharmaceutical companies making the vaccine, and was part license holder of the vaccine itself, before the vaccine 'solution to COVID' made news. Now he's rich.

What's that? Plans for a global reset by 2030?
Hmmm.
 
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HealthAndHappiness

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What kind of doctor does a non-binary see?A non-gynecologist? A non-proctologist?
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Some young gal at a Baptist church asked if I was BInary?
I said, I'm not Bi ANYTHING! She said, so you believe in marriage between a man and woman?
I said, of course.
She said, you are BI-nary then.
I told you that I'm not attracted to dudes at all. I'm not queer or Bi.
She just looked 😕 confused.
I was confused too. Not about my masculinity. I was just trying to figure out what she was talking about.
Lol! 😄
 
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Some young gal at a Baptist church asked if I was BInary?
I said, I'm not Bi ANYTHING! She said, so you believe in marriage between a man and woman?
I said, of course.
She said, you are BI-nary then.
I told you that I'm not attracted to dudes at all. I'm not queer or Bi.
She just looked 😕 confused.
I was confused too. Not about my masculinity. I was just trying to figure out what she was talking about.
Lol! 😄
😂 She was bold as brass wasn't she? What a thing to ask. And at church?

Also sounds like she was confused.

When people started slinging that word about I looked it up.

After Facebook invented over 60 'gender' identities for people to choose from when registering I figured I'd learn a thing or three.

''Non-binary or genderqueer is an umbrella term for gender identities that are not solely male or female‍—‌identities that are outside the gender binary. Non-binary identities fall under the transgender umbrella, since non-binary people typically identify with a gender that is different from their assigned sex.''

Genderqueer. Someone who doesn't identify as male or female...but they're queer.

A bit as silly as those who refer to our God given sex as an assignment. Assigned male at birth. Assigned female at birth.😶

Mess with their heads. I was only assigned female at birth because all the slots for Porsche were filled!
Then say, ''varooooom!varoooooom.'' really loud and start putting like you transmission is in park. If they're still there start repeating softly but so they can hear ya. ''Targa!Targa!Targa!''


🤣

Ya gotta keep a sense of humor. It's almost like God put normal on pause so the global gag reel could play during intermission.
 

Roughsoul1991

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True. The laws of the land should be the criminal laws of God's Word. Some are tempted to steal, renig on a contract, acting upon their lust, coveting, etc. There are a few temptations that are not common to man.
I'd like add that most men find things that go unmentioned in private between sodomites extremely reprehensible. I believe that the reason is that most become that way because they reject God of the Bible and don't even want to think about Him "retain Him in their minds." Therefore they are turned over to a Reprobate mind. These days, preachers aren't allowed to preach on that subject because they will lose members, be ostracized by sassy lesbians and go through persecution. So, the most wicked are emboldened and implacable, unable to be appeased. They went from,
"Don't judge them" and want to quote the passage about the woman taken in adultery in order to justify any of their sins.
Now, they are grooming kids in gt schools and libraries, even bringing in pot bellied pedo strippers. The bearded lady used to be a carnival freak show. Now it's walking into a classroom near you throughout the USA.
Now I'm waiting for the "christian" lesbians to tell me off.
I'm new here. Is there a group that participates in the forum that I'll expect flack from?
Not that I know of. Most everyone here is quite open about their beliefs and most stay true to the word.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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😂 She was bold as brass wasn't she? What a thing to ask. And at church?

Also sounds like she was confused.

When people started slinging that word about I looked it up.

After Facebook invented over 60 'gender' identities for people to choose from when registering I figured I'd learn a thing or three.

''Non-binary or genderqueer is an umbrella term for gender identities that are not solely male or female‍—‌identities that are outside the gender binary. Non-binary identities fall under the transgender umbrella, since non-binary people typically identify with a gender that is different from their assigned sex.''

Genderqueer. Someone who doesn't identify as male or female...but they're queer.

A bit as silly as those who refer to our God given sex as an assignment. Assigned male at birth. Assigned female at birth.😶

Mess with their heads. I was only assigned female at birth because all the slots for Porsche were filled!
Then say, ''varooooom!varoooooom.'' really loud and start putting like you transmission is in park. If they're still there start repeating softly but so they can hear ya. ''Targa!Targa!Targa!''


🤣

Ya gotta keep a sense of humor. It's almost like God put normal on pause so the global gag reel could play during intermission.
Lol! It wasn't complicated to figure out what our "assignments" were was it? Lol.
Thanks for the definitions. I finally looked that B word up too.
I just thought she meant bisexual when she said binary rather than just say normal or straight.

Just to wrap up the details...
Anyhow, her church was a mess, sadly.
She told me her best friend wanted to get married. It was a guy but she wasn't his fiance'. He was a church member and his dad was a deacon. Now this is not a Unitarian or Rainbow flag main street liberal church. This was a Baptist church... Independent Baptist . This dude explained to the preacher that he wanted to marry his boyfriend and the pastor to do the ceremony. The pastor told him in no uncertain terms that he doesn't believe in that and that it was an abomination. Next thing you know, the church was upset, pastor was fired and I was invited to the church.
While I was visiting, the deacons questioned me and I was up front and very clear that they wouldn't like me either because I have a biblical view on marriage and was disgusted by the LGBPTQ movement. We parted ways and that's how far things have gotten in a mere 10 years or so. Some of the most "Bible believing" churches have changed a lot.
 
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Lol! It wasn't complicated to figure out what our "assignments" were was it? Lol.
Thanks for the definitions. I finally looked that B word up too.
I just thought she meant bisexual when she said binary rather than just say normal or straight.

Just to wrap up the details...
Anyhow, her church was a mess, sadly.
She told me her best friend wanted to get married. It was a guy but she wasn't his fiance'. He was a church member and his dad was a deacon. Now this is not a Unitarian or Rainbow flag main street liberal church. This was a Baptist church... Independent Baptist . This dude explained to the preacher that he wanted to marry his boyfriend and the pastor to do the ceremony. The pastor told him in no uncertain terms that he doesn't believe in that and that it was an abomination. Next thing you know, the church was upset, pastor was fired and I was invited to the church.
While I was visiting, the deacons questioned me and I was up front and very clear that they wouldn't like me either because I have a biblical view on marriage and was disgusted by the LGBPTQ movement. We parted ways and that's how far things have gotten in a mere 10 years or so. Some of the most "Bible believing" churches have changed a lot.
Changed a lot. Yes. As in, from Bible believing.😟

How long ago would such a thing have never crossed someone's mind?

Not that long.
 

TheNarrowPath

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I voted for it to be outlawed nationwide. Legalising gay marriage has done more harm than good and our society continues to rot because even so called Christians are becoming progressive, they want to preach inclusivity and acceptance with everything that is immoral. The other week I heard a story that beastiality was legal somewhere in Europe!
 

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The Constitution was dated 'in the year of our Lord' followed by the year. The Constitution implies that Jesus is Lord. Is that sufficient legal grounds for federal courts to reject state approval of so-called 'gay marriage'?

The SCOTUS should overturn the former evil and rebellious ruling. Letting it go back to the states may fit well with our Constitution. One of the problems with Democracy is when the majority of the population has a wicked political opinion.
 

presidente

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WHAT? That is so wrong!

We need a flag to rally around.
I have never been a president of the United States or a member of Congress, but for retirement purposes, I identify as a former president of the United States and a former senator. And I identify as being old enough to collect money and have their health care plan. But they haven't given it to me. Will you contact your senator about this injustice being inflicted on me?
 
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I have never been a president of the United States or a member of Congress, but for retirement purposes, I identify as a former president of the United States and a former senator. And I identify as being old enough to collect money and have their health care plan. But they haven't given it to me. Will you contact your senator about this injustice being inflicted on me?
"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have." Attributed to Thomas Jefferson but who really knows. Still, it makes sense.

My advice, don't put your trust in fiat 💵 currency. Buy hard currency. Gold,silver,platinum. With cash. No record.

Because in the early 20th century a law was passed commanding those who owned gold to surrender it to the government. It can happen again.

Our government is Treason. Not a Constitutional Democratic Republic. Not anymore. November 2020 proved that. January 20,2021confirmed it wasn't a conspiracy theory. It was a conspiracy that culminated in that fact.

Believe them.

Start growing your own food. If you're on municipal water supply, have a well drilled so that you can get a drink without government permission when it is time.

Jesus told his Disciples to buy swords. Even if they had to sell their cloak to afford one.
The sword was the most formidable weapon of its time. The gun today is that.
Buy guns with cash. If possible do so at gun shows to make it easier to acquire and with less government oversight.

Gun registration is unconstitutional.

The second amendment is an unalienable right that the Constitution, the contract that protects we the people from government, states shall not be infringed. Cannot be infringed because it is an unalienable RIGHT! Not privilege.

Your governments executive branch of the military are armed to the teeth. And under BHO our police forces in major conflict cities on east,central, and west coasts we're militarized. Making for a full national front. Coast to coast and central.

The only way a people guarantee their freedom from a government already in place due to conspirational acts of Treason is to be armed in lesser degree to the dominion of said government to greater degree.

The one hope we have us the armed forces of the executive branch are populated by members of the citizens body. Our family members.

They may take issue with rounding up and detaining their moms,dads,sister's,brothers,grandparents, spouces, babies,children.

Be aware. The COVID-19 lockdown, a social experiment precipitating and guaging public response to abdication of our rights in this Republic unto the jurisdiction of an authoritarian dictatorship, federal and local government decreed save for those 5 states that did not comply , was also a warning.

It wasn't ordained by the Legislative branch amending the articles of this Republic.
It was simply decreed as necessary due to a public health menace, threat. Federally and local governments in compliance.

That's why we need to pay attention. Because the COVID-19 rhetoric is starting up again. Mask mandates soon to follow?

And now? Monkeypox!
Blue NY state declaring a state of emergency due to,supposedly, 5000 cases reported in a population of over 20 million persons. New York , NY, being the 4th most populace state in America.

There will soon come a time when we the people will have to decide if our freedoms and liberty are our right, or if they are granted us by our 'representative' governments permission.
It is then that we will have to make a choice.
Freedom.
Or chains.




 

presidente

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Start growing your own food. If you're on municipal water supply, have a well drilled so that you can get a drink without government permission when it is time.
My wife had a prophecy about Christians learning to grow their own food, to share, to save the seed.

I've thought a bit about the well thing. Water is expensive. I don't know about the water table in my neighborhood or if there are any restrictions on wells. I was thinking of barrels to catch rain, but dry spells can ask a while. A neighbor sued because the city charged sewage on the all the water he brought in, while he was putting it on the lawn. So now they will install an outdoor usage meter for 1000. Maybe i should get that and put in a well.

A solar panel company wanted 60K for a system that would not provide all I needed, with no battery storage that shuts off if there is a blackout. They sell to the power company, and I so I wanted to know how it would shut off the outflow to keep from killing a lineman, and they said that I'd lose power. What's the point? They were charging me 30 or 40K for installation over the price of panels I've priced, trying to sell me by comparing it to what I'd be paying the power company already instead of market costs. I'm not handy enough to put them up. I specialize and I'd like a specialist to put them up.

The well, solar panels, and batteries would be good. We've got a garden and freezers and some dry food storage, and a deal to buy sheep and have someone else raise them, and a couple of ducks in the yard for eggs. Ducks eggs are better than chicken, and my neighbors produce more eggs than chickens. I think ducks are nicer than chickens.

I'm not as war hawkish as you are. I don't consider the right to have firearms to be a God-given right, just one in our legal documents. I don't consider the political ideas of the founders of the US to all be inspired by God